GarandFan Posted April 1, 2011 at 11:21 AM Posted April 1, 2011 at 11:21 AM Here it is, folks. This is a very important endorsement. And one small thing ... I love that Flannery says "repeal Illinois' ban on carrying" rather than the usual and incorrect "enact a law to allow carrying." http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/illinois-association-cheifs-police-support-legalizing-concealed-carry-proposal-20110331 Ill. Assn. of Chiefs of Police Support Legalizing Concealed Carry Proposal Published : Thursday, 31 Mar 2011, 7:36 PM CDTBy Mike Flannery, FOX Chicago News Chicago - Leaders of the Illinois Assn. of Chiefs of Police voted Wednesday to change their stance on the issue. They now support legalizing concealed carry. It’s a big boost for those trying to repeal Illinois’s ban on the concealed carrying of handguns. The group of top cops had long opposed the idea. They voted two years to go neutral on the issue. State Rep. Brandon Phelps (D-Harrisburg) and leaders of the Illinois State Rifle Assn. have been negotiating for months with law enforcement officials across the state. Phelps is chief sponsor of a concealed carry proposal that’s already won approval from a committee of the Illinois House. Phelps said the measure will likely be amended further. He hopes the General Assembly will send it to Gov. Quinn by the end of April. As currently written, the Phelps proposal says the Illinois State Police “shall issue” a concealed carry handgun permit within 75 days after an application is submitted. More than 1 million Illinoisans currently hold Firearm Owners Identification (or FOID) cards. Gun rights activists estimate that perhaps 500,000 would apply, if concealed carry handgun permits were available. Local police and sheriff’s departments would have to be notified of any resident seeking a concealed carry permit. Local law enforcers could object, but the decision would ultimately be made by State Police. Opponents of concealed carry reject the central argument made by supporters: that more guns in more hands would make Illinois safer. State Sen Dan Kotowski (D-Park Ridge) asserted that concealed carry permit holders have killed 11 police officers and more than 200 others in recent years. Foes of concealed carry said they hope Chicago’s mayor-elect, Rahm Emanuel, would join the battle in Springfield. A spokesman for Emanuel said he opposes legalizing concealed carry. Emanuel, who is scheduled to be sworn in at noon, May 16th, has said repeatedly that “Chicago has one mayor at a time.” Supporters of concealed carry admit privately that their prospects have vastly improved since Richard M. Daley announced his impending retirement. Daley is a vigorous opponent of concealed carry. But his influence in the State Capitol is vastly diminished since he became a lame duck.
lieut89 Posted April 1, 2011 at 12:02 PM Posted April 1, 2011 at 12:02 PM While I don't mind local law enforcement being notified, I worry that certain police chiefs in certain municipalities could use their objection for every permit applicant in their jurisdiction, if for nothing more than to slow the process down and to create a backlog of appeals. I would like to see a check on the locals, where if a local was found to be showing a pattern of objection without valid cause, that they could be penalized. Not saying that this could happen, but I am familiar with the goings on with local governments.
Lou Posted April 1, 2011 at 03:33 PM Posted April 1, 2011 at 03:33 PM While I don't mind local law enforcement being notified, I worry that certain police chiefs in certain municipalities could use their objection for every permit applicant in their jurisdiction, if for nothing more than to slow the process down and to create a backlog of appeals. I would like to see a check on the locals, where if a local was found to be showing a pattern of objection without valid cause, that they could be penalized. Not saying that this could happen, but I am familiar with the goings on with local governments. The County will be the only one to have the ability to object and they have to be able to back up their objections with facts.
abolt243 Posted April 1, 2011 at 03:49 PM Posted April 1, 2011 at 03:49 PM While I don't mind local law enforcement being notified, I worry that certain police chiefs in certain municipalities could use their objection for every permit applicant in their jurisdiction, if for nothing more than to slow the process down and to create a backlog of appeals. I would like to see a check on the locals, where if a local was found to be showing a pattern of objection without valid cause, that they could be penalized. Not saying that this could happen, but I am familiar with the goings on with local governments. The sheriff must have verifiable and specific reasons documented by departmental records before making an objection. There can be no frivolous objections.
lieut89 Posted April 1, 2011 at 04:39 PM Posted April 1, 2011 at 04:39 PM That's good. I was just reading into the way the story was written where this was stated: Local police and sheriff’s departments would have to be notified of any resident seeking a concealed carry permit. Local law enforcers could object, but the decision would ultimately be made by State Police. I perused the earlier draft and didn't see anything regarding local police as far as the objections went. I wasn't sure if something had been subsequently added to gain the support of the Chiefs. Just checking. Perhaps the reporter was misinformed.
markthesignguy Posted April 1, 2011 at 05:32 PM Posted April 1, 2011 at 05:32 PM That's good. I was just reading into the way the story was written where this was stated: Local police and sheriff’s departments would have to be notified of any resident seeking a concealed carry permit. Local law enforcers could object, but the decision would ultimately be made by State Police. I perused the earlier draft and didn't see anything regarding local police as far as the objections went. I wasn't sure if something had been subsequently added to gain the support of the Chiefs. Just checking. Perhaps the reporter was misinformed. local media's lack of comprehension of the issues around and with firearms. use of misleading verbal shorthand by news writers. wishful thinking or deliberate distortion??? they hear one thing and think something else... plus not final version of the bill - think of it as mis-information for the opposition...
Drylok Posted April 2, 2011 at 12:48 AM Posted April 2, 2011 at 12:48 AM Leaders,What about the IL Conservation Police Association? Have we talked to them about their support for RTC? I guess we're close enough now that it really doesn't matter but just thought I'd ask
oneshot Posted April 2, 2011 at 12:56 AM Posted April 2, 2011 at 12:56 AM Leaders,What about the IL Conservation Police Association? Have we talked to them about their support for RTC? I guess we're close enough now that it really doesn't matter but just thought I'd ask How about the Meter Maids and Dog Catchers Associations? lol (J/K DL, totally valid question, I just couldn't resist )
Drylok Posted April 2, 2011 at 01:31 AM Posted April 2, 2011 at 01:31 AM Hey if the Meters Maid and Dog Cathers association want to climb on board with right to carry, by God they're welcome to.
Bud Posted April 2, 2011 at 01:34 AM Posted April 2, 2011 at 01:34 AM Hey if the Meters Maid and Dog Cathers association want to climb on board with right to carry, by God they're welcome to. yeah! right on.......wait a minute!. There's a group of people that catherizes dogs? In the name of all that's holy, WHY? who holds the bag?
oneshot Posted April 2, 2011 at 01:36 AM Posted April 2, 2011 at 01:36 AM Hey if the Meters Maid and Dog Cathers association want to climb on board with right to carry, by God they're welcome to. I'm sure they pull weight with someone! Maybe they're union??
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