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Wilson v. Cook County (Semi-Auto Gun Ban)

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:12 PM

View PostDavey, on 12 December 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

View PostTalonap, on 12 December 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Maybe this may be covered in some way in the CCW bill? Or not......

They will probably try to trade a ban for CC.

They can try, but it will fail.
And the courts have affirmed that they can regulate a class of weapons, but not ban them.
If that regulation becomes so onerous that it has the effect of a ban, then it will be struck down.
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Yes. I'm predicting that Chicago/Cook county will be sold out in order to get "shall issue".

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:01 PM

I am so sick of this "assault" WB crap.  The entire mindset of the political left sucks and stupid!!  You can sell and have a soda drink that is 15.5 ounces, but how frickin dare you try and sell one 16 ounces!!  You can have a rifle, but don't you dare have one that has a telescoping stock!!  Handgun (personal protection device), it can have 9 shots, but 10, or 11 - what are you a terrorist?   Where the Frick is the "common" sense on the left???  Love the Country - Hate the current Government!
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:38 AM

Where are we at on this?  It's been over 9 months since it got bumped back, right?


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:51 AM

View Postxmikex, on 11 January 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Where are we at on this?  It's been over 9 months since it got bumped back, right?

Waiting for new oral arguments based on second amendment implications. The most recent judges pussed out and kicked it back down.

Another case of "wah, my job is hard".
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:57 AM

Which judges wimped out?  ILSC?  Shouldn't there be a hearing scheduled soon-ish at the appellate level?
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:30 AM

The Illinois supreme court kicked the case back to the circuit court because the case was improperly dismissed pursuant to section 2-615 of the code of civil procedure. Fancy lawyer talk for the circuit court didn't follow the rules, so the supreme court never addressed the substantive 2a issues.

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Stung by the result of McDonald v. City of Chicago, 130 S. Ct. 3020 (2010), the City quickly enacted an ordinance that was too clever by half. Recognizing that a complete gun ban would no longer survive Supreme Court review, the City required all gun owners to obtain training that included one hour of live‐range instruction, and then banned all live ranges within City limits. This was not so much a nod to the importance of live‐range training as it was a thumbing of the municipal nose at the Supreme Court.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:50 AM

TOOD!!!!! MOLLY!!!!! HELP!!!!!!  I've been waiting on this too...

Edited by Talonap, 11 January 2013 - 07:50 AM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:52 AM

So what's a realistic timeline for action at the circuit court?  Does the case have to have a new hearing?  Are any dates set?

After the circuit rules, it would then go back to the ILSC?  And from there up to SCOTUS?


I guess the reason I'm so interested is due to all the AWB talk. Is this the AWB case that will go to the SCOTUS or will it be another AWB that's being opposed and what's the general timeline for one if the AWB cases making it to SCOTUS.

Or is the current legal focus on CCW and not really going after the AWB stuff?

If any answers would compromise our side, Then just say so and I don't need to know.  I'll just keep lighting votive candles and contacting elected officials as always.  :-)

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:14 AM

View PostTalonap, on 11 January 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

TOOD!!!!! MOLLY!!!!! HELP!!!!!!  I've been waiting on this too...

LOL, I'm not sure what kind of help we can be.  In a lot of these cases the wheels of justice do turn very slowly. . . we are spoiled by how quickly the decisions came in McDonald, Ezell, and Moore/Shepard.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:16 AM

View Postxmikex, on 11 January 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:


Or is the current legal focus on CCW and not really going after the AWB stuff?


There are a lot of battles being fought by multiple groups.  It all just happens so slow though.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:40 AM

I foresee Rahm sending another large donation to the SAF in the near future.  

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

View PostMolly B., on 11 January 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

View PostTalonap, on 11 January 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

TOOD!!!!! MOLLY!!!!! HELP!!!!!!  I've been waiting on this too...

LOL, I'm not sure what kind of help we can be.  In a lot of these cases the wheels of justice do turn very slowly. . . we are spoiled by how quickly the decisions came in McDonald, Ezell, and Moore/Shepard.

If I had gone back to school when Wilson started, I could be a Judge by now!!!! :flowers:

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:00 PM

Well, I guess the beauty of this is that if Barry gets his AWB, and then this goes to SCOTUS and they rule in favor, the AWB would basically be gutted.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:56 PM

View Postvess1, on 11 January 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

I foresee Rahm sending another large donation to the SAF in the near future.  

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Rahm's new AWB ordinance should be titled "the SAF/Alan Gura Income Enhancement Ordinance"
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

Rahm said he has the votes in Springfield to pass an AWB. If that is true why is he doing this
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:33 PM

View PostSigma, on 11 January 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

Rahm said he has the votes in Springfield to pass an AWB. If that is true why is he doing this
because he is a chicago politician and when he opens his mouth you know what is happening......lies.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:28 AM

View PostNakPPI, on 11 January 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

The Illinois supreme court kicked the case back to the circuit court because the case was improperly dismissed pursuant to section 2-615 of the code of civil procedure. Fancy lawyer talk for the circuit court didn't follow the rules, so the supreme court never addressed the substantive 2a issues.

Just wanted to give a quick update about these wheels of justice that are moving so slow for this case.
The discovery process continues. Plaintiffs and their attorneys are soon meeting with the Cook County attorneys who will interview the Plaintiffs at a Deposition. These are not be public. Each side is also in the process of recruiting Experts to give testimony for the trail, which is expected to take place later this year.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:15 PM

Thanks for the update...stay strong!

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:19 PM

You need to get Massad Ayoob to testify.  When he takes the stand the other side will and should give up.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:20 PM

A lot of people are missing this, but it could be the 600lbs. gorilla.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:38 PM

I've been waiting for this for 25 years!!! (Give or Take...)  :flowers:  Hope they don't forget to use the "In common use" thingy. I was just thinking about this today when I saw someone has a Hi-Point carbine for sale on here - Want one!

Edited by Talonap, 06 May 2013 - 06:40 PM.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:01 PM

Yeah print out sales report from walmart and see if they are in common use
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:43 PM

Thanks for the update, Druid.  We're all behind you.
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