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Wilson v. Cook County (Semi-Auto Gun Ban)

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#1 Tvandermyde

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:31 PM

WE are getting word that the Illinois Supreme Court will annouce if it will take up the challange to the Cook County semi-auto ban next week.

Stay tuned and we'll see where this goes.
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Posted 24 September 2010 - 02:31 AM

If the rest of the state doesn't have such a ban, what is so special about Crook County? It's time that tyranny becomes a victim of oppression, not the people.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 05:22 AM

View PostNomad, on 24 September 2010 - 02:31 AM, said:

If the rest of the state doesn't have such a ban, what is so special about Crook County? It's time that tyranny becomes a victim of oppression, not the people.

Crook County *thinks* they are special and do not have to follow the US Constitution. Most cities in Illinois have home rule. Home rule may be OK for deciding who is the dog catcher or what company collects the garbage. Firearms laws need to be the same statewide!

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 05:32 AM

View PostTvandermyde, on 23 September 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

WE are getting word that the Illinois Supreme Court will annouce if it will take up the challange to the Cook County semi-auto ban next week.

Stay tuned and we'll see where this goes.
Thanks for the heads up on this Todd, should be very interesting to see how it turns out.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 08:11 AM

View Postishmo, on 24 September 2010 - 05:32 AM, said:

View PostTvandermyde, on 23 September 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

WE are getting word that the Illinois Supreme Court will annouce if it will take up the challange to the Cook County semi-auto ban next week.

Stay tuned and we'll see where this goes.
Thanks for the heads up on this Todd, should be very interesting to see how it turns out.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 08:18 AM

This must be stopped.  As I see it, the big problem with the CC AWB is when they demand the sale of so called AWs be banned in the rest of the state so CC residents can't simply cross the county line to buy them.
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Posted 24 September 2010 - 11:45 AM

View PostSFC Stu, on 24 September 2010 - 05:22 AM, said:

View PostNomad, on 24 September 2010 - 02:31 AM, said:

If the rest of the state doesn't have such a ban, what is so special about Crook County? It's time that tyranny becomes a victim of oppression, not the people.

Crook County *thinks* they are special and do not have to follow the US Constitution. Most cities in Illinois have home rule. Home rule may be OK for deciding who is the dog catcher or what company collects the garbage. Firearms laws need to be the same statewide!
Actually I think there are a lot more cities who don't have home rule.  Though approximately 70% of the people live in home rule communities only about 167 cities are home rule.  I agree firearms laws need to be the same statewide, better yet weapons laws, then we wouldn't have the silliness like Loves Park's ordinance banning knives over 1 1/2" long. Also there wouldn't be the possibility of 167 different firearm transportation ordinances.
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Posted 24 September 2010 - 12:34 PM

Who are the plantiffs of this case?
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Posted 24 September 2010 - 06:38 PM

View PostGWBH, on 24 September 2010 - 08:11 AM, said:

View Postishmo, on 24 September 2010 - 05:32 AM, said:

View PostTvandermyde, on 23 September 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

WE are getting word that the Illinois Supreme Court will annouce if it will take up the challange to the Cook County semi-auto ban next week.

Stay tuned and we'll see where this goes.
Thanks for the heads up on this Todd, should be very interesting to see how it turns out.

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 07:38 AM

What if the courts dont hear it? That would be a mess.
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Posted 25 September 2010 - 06:41 PM

View PostSigma, on 25 September 2010 - 07:38 AM, said:

What if the courts dont hear it? That would be a mess.

Sounds like the IL Supreme Court is going to hear the case.

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 07:41 PM

View PostFederal Farmer, on 25 September 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:

View PostSigma, on 25 September 2010 - 07:38 AM, said:

What if the courts dont hear it? That would be a mess.

Sounds like the IL Supreme Court is going to hear the case.

Which Constitution will the Illinois Supreme Court like better?  The one that says "Subject only the the police power..." or the one that says "... shall not be infringed." ?

What's the over-under on this case?
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Posted 25 September 2010 - 08:34 PM

View PostDrylok, on 24 September 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

Who are the plantiffs of this case?
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Posted 25 September 2010 - 09:06 PM

Are there any online links to the case filings?
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 01:09 AM

View PostHoward Roark, on 25 September 2010 - 09:06 PM, said:

Are there any online links to the case filings?

I imagine it is a pickup of this case:
http://www.state.il....ust/1081202.pdf
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 09:42 PM

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WE are getting word that the Illinois Supreme Court will annouce if it will take up the challange to the Cook County semi-auto ban next week.

I apologize for asking such a rudimentary question, but I am only recently getting up to speed on political issues and want to make sure I understand it (especially since I am a Cook County resident).

The semi-auto ban you're referring to is that on "assault" style rifles, correct?  I'm definitely aware of this one, but just want to be sure there's no others I didn't know about (especially seeing as I own a number of semi-automatics).

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 10:28 PM

it covers more than so called assault weapons.

My 11-87 is banned. So are most of my 10/22s.

Jack that is the case.
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 11:42 PM

View PostTvandermyde, on 27 September 2010 - 10:28 PM, said:

it covers more than so called assault weapons.

My 11-87 is banned. So are most of my 10/22s.

Jack that is the case.

Thanks to home rule (eek, hard to even type that) my 10/22 is perfectly legal in Chicago (with 10rd mags).  I don't recall now what Chicago has to say about thumb-hole stocks...

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 10:33 AM

nothing today they will post more orders tommorow around 9am
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 08:52 AM

nothing yet this morning
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 10:29 AM

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WE are getting word that the Illinois Supreme Court will annouce if it will take up the challange to the Cook County semi-auto ban next week.

I apologize for asking such a rudimentary question, but I am only recently getting up to speed on political issues and want to make sure I understand it (especially since I am a Cook County resident).

The semi-auto ban you're referring to is that on "assault" style rifles, correct?  I'm definitely aware of this one, but just want to be sure there's no others I didn't know about (especially seeing as I own a number of semi-automatics).

Thanks,

It is not a blanket ban of all semi-auto firearms (although even that was tried recently on a non-binding ballot measure, and was defeated by Sigma and Todd, among others).  It is a ban on certain semi-auto firearms that have "evil" "scary" features.  It basically picks several somewhat-common features, and arbitrarily bans all firearms that possess them.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 07:05 PM

we're back inthe game.....


"In the exercise of this Court's supervisory authority, the Appellate Court, First District, is directed to vacate its Order in Wilson v. Cook County  . . . and reconsider the matter in light of McDonald v. City of Chicago [citation] to determine  if another result is warranted."
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 07:20 PM

:headbang1:

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 08:23 PM

View PostTvandermyde, on 29 September 2010 - 07:05 PM, said:

we're back inthe game.....


"In the exercise of this Court's supervisory authority, the Appellate Court, First District, is directed to vacate its Order in Wilson v. Cook County  . . . and reconsider the matter in light of McDonald v. City of Chicago [citation] to determine  if another result is warranted."

So, the Supreme is telling the Appellate court to dump the first decision, and consider the McDonald case when reaching another decision.  Will they simply go back and consider all the evidence and testimony already given?  Or will there be another court date with additional testimony and court room action?

Any wild guess on the time frame for the second decision?  A month, a year, this decade?

At first blush, it appears that the Supreme is telling the Appellate that it messed up and giving it a chance to make it right without having to have the Supreme officially overturn the decison.  More "politics" in our judicial system?

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 09:06 PM

anoterh result warranted? What was the original result.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 01:19 PM

View PostSigma, on 29 September 2010 - 09:06 PM, said:

anoterh result warranted? What was the original result.

Wilson lost.  So another result would be Wilson wins.

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 01:49 PM

FF, you do come up with some dandys!! (dandies??)
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 07:00 PM

View PostFederal Farmer, on 30 September 2010 - 01:19 PM, said:

View PostSigma, on 29 September 2010 - 09:06 PM, said:

anoterh result warranted? What was the original result.

Wilson lost.  So another result would be Wilson wins.

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 03:49 PM

Does anyone know of an "Opinion Number" or something like that? It would be interesting to read the entire decision. (Couldn't find anything on the Il Supreme Court site.)

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 06:38 PM

View PostTalonap, on 01 October 2010 - 03:49 PM, said:

Does anyone know of an "Opinion Number" or something like that? It would be interesting to read the entire decision. (Couldn't find anything on the Il Supreme Court site.)

The appellate decision or the supreme order sending it back to the appellate?

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