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[Beezil]

Federal Farmer, on 22 November 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

My FOID card materialized on Monday!  I think thanks to some behind the scenes intervention by our favorite lobbyist.  Mailed renewal on Sep 15th, check cashed on Sep 24th, issued on Oct 24th, re-issued on Nov 9th, received on Nov 22nd.

Now at least I can set foot in a gun store/range as mine was expired as of Nov 1.

ETA:  That makes 58 days or so from check cashing.

are we supposed to notify cpd ofnew foid number?

[Federal Farmer]

Beezil, on 28 November 2011 - 08:46 AM, said:

are we supposed to notify cpd ofnew foid number?

My answer:  Yes

From the regulations:

Quote

RULE VII Change of information
Every person issued a CFP or registration certificate shall keep all information required by
the ordinance. Any change in such information shall be reported to the superintendent by
submitting an amended CFP or registration certificate application either in person at PRCSS or by
mailing an amended application to the address listed in Rule 4.2.

Rule 4.2:

Quote

4.2 The firearm registration application may be either submitted in person at PRCSS or it
may be mailed to:
Chicago Police Headquarters
Gun Registration Program, Unit 163
Room 1027SE
3510 South Michigan Avenue
Chicago, Illinois 60653

This is the form to file, I believe.  I'm going to send one in ASAP.  Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

[Beezil]

Just an update....

I just phoned the gun desk about the foid update (procrastination) and was pointed to a form on-line that gets mailed in....

interesting thing was, I was told to mail it in to headquarters, because the gun desk at Kedzie is no longer.

that place was a damn zoo.

gentlemen at the gun desk commented how confusing that whole concept was....

no more kedzie....back to HQ

[Beezil]

ALSO....

has anyone sucessfully registered a revolver such as a super redhawk (7.5") in .44 mag or any other traditionally designed pistol or revolver that exceeds 50 oz. empty?

I had to check a box in reference to empty weight (mine is 53oz) and am wondering if that triggers a denial?

we'll have to see.......

[samy12386]

Beezil, on 29 February 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

ALSO....

has anyone sucessfully registered a revolver such as a super redhawk (7.5") in .44 mag or any other traditionally designed pistol or revolver that exceeds 50 oz. empty?

I had to check a box in reference to empty weight (mine is 53oz) and am wondering if that triggers a denial?

we'll have to see.......

What is the idea behind that? You think if they were going to regulate based on weight they would go after the lightweight guns.

[JackTripper]

You should be rejected as an "assault weapon"

(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the handgun is unloaded


https://portal.chica...er-registry.pdf

Beezil, on 29 February 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

ALSO....

has anyone sucessfully registered a revolver such as a super redhawk (7.5") in .44 mag or any other traditionally designed pistol or revolver that exceeds 50 oz. empty?

I had to check a box in reference to empty weight (mine is 53oz) and am wondering if that triggers a denial?

we'll have to see.......

[Joeyl]

JackTripper, on 29 February 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

You should be rejected as an "assault weapon"

(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the handgun is unloaded


https://portal.chica...er-registry.pdf

Beezil, on 29 February 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

ALSO....

has anyone sucessfully registered a revolver such as a super redhawk (7.5") in .44 mag or any other traditionally designed pistol or revolver that exceeds 50 oz. empty?

I had to check a box in reference to empty weight (mine is 53oz) and am wondering if that triggers a denial?

we'll have to see.......

Possilbe the weight limit might only apply to autos, not revolvers?

[Beezil]

Joeyl, on 01 March 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

JackTripper, on 29 February 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

You should be rejected as an "assault weapon"

(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the handgun is unloaded


https://portal.chica...er-registry.pdf

Beezil, on 29 February 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

ALSO....

has anyone sucessfully registered a revolver such as a super redhawk (7.5") in .44 mag or any other traditionally designed pistol or revolver that exceeds 50 oz. empty?

I had to check a box in reference to empty weight (mine is 53oz) and am wondering if that triggers a denial?

we'll have to see.......

Possilbe the weight limit might only apply to autos, not revolvers?

well, the .44 mad redhawk came back registered.....joy

don't understand the question on weight...maybe just so they can mess with desert eagle owners.....

[howards]

Beezil, on 10 August 2010 - 02:32 PM, said:

One trip to CPD headquarters for paperwork.
"training"  cost me 100 bucks and 5 hours on a saturday, plus gas and mileage....
subsequent "live fire" cost me 20 additional dollars in range fees, and I burned through about 50 worth of ammo. the 36 mile drive to dundee and back probably burned 6 gals of gas and consumed 5 hours on a sunday.

back to cpd headquarters for fingerprinting, submitting paperwork, and writting a 100-dollar check to da mare. It was a busy day that day, so it probably took 1.5-2 hours there-and-back.

9 pieces of paperwork (7 renewals 2 new) with approximately 28 information fields that you have to complete TWICE, plus 4 or 5 questions pertaining to "illegal" characteristcs and 11 or so more info fields on the back. For me, that was nearly 639 individual informational fields that I hand-wrote. It took about 3 hours.....I think.  

I will be contacting a lawyer and will sue the city for carpal tunnel syndrome.

Back to headquarters with a photocopy of my pathetic CFP and to submit my individual gun forms......now 15 bucks EACH instead of 25 for my whole collection....another check to hizzoner for 135 bucks.

so that's 405 dollars in real costs.  

Its hard to put a price on my own time, but for the sake of conversation, a reasonalble amount like 30 bucks an hour, That's 480 bucks worth of my valuable time away from family, work and friends to mess around with this....

add a bit for gas and mileage and the grand total for this is about 900 dollars and about 18 hours.

It's totally outrageous.

Sounds like a poll tax...to use a right you havet o pay for it.

[Mr. Fife]

Congrats on getting your assault weapon registered in Chicago  

[Mr. Fife]

On closer review, the 50 oz thing is only for semiautomatics, not revolvers.

Edited by Mr. Fife, 19 March 2012 - 08:11 PM.

[Federal Farmer]

Federal Farmer, on 22 August 2011 - 10:14 PM, said:

I received my ARRFF on July 25th.  There is bad information for 16 of my firearms, either "unknown" for manufacturer or "unknown" for model or both.  So according to the instructions in the ARRFF, I look at the change of information form and it only contains information about me, not the firearm.  

So then I look at the letter to see how much time I have to return it and it has no due date nor number of days.  I check the ordinance...only states that a late form is subject to a $60 fine.  Then I check the rules and regulations, no information as to what is "late".

FUBAR

Yay, got the ARRFF and it has all the same errors I corrected last year plus new errors for some registered this year.  Also, still no due date, so late is meaningless.  Pointless exercise ensues.

[GWBH]

Beezil,
The house just down the road for me is for sale with 5 acres of ground.
Plenty enough to build your own 200 yd rifle range and a tactical pistol walk-thru - plus have a garden and the wife can plant flowers wherever she wants to.
You can dig a hole in your yard when ever you want and as big as you want.

Oh Yeah - you won't have to go through any paperwork (minus the FOID) to shoot your guns. Sometimes the Sheriff Deputies will stop and shoot with you!!

[Beezil]

GWBH, on 08 September 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Beezil,
The house just down the road for me is for sale with 5 acres of ground.
Plenty enough to build your own 200 yd rifle range and a tactical pistol walk-thru - plus have a garden and the wife can plant flowers wherever she wants to.
You can dig a hole in your yard when ever you want and as big as you want.

Oh Yeah - you won't have to go through any paperwork (minus the FOID) to shoot your guns. Sometimes the Sheriff Deputies will stop and shoot with you!!

any room to hang a couple tree stands?

[GWBH]

Beezil, on 09 September 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

GWBH, on 08 September 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Beezil,
The house just down the road for me is for sale with 5 acres of ground.
Plenty enough to build your own 200 yd rifle range and a tactical pistol walk-thru - plus have a garden and the wife can plant flowers wherever she wants to.
You can dig a hole in your yard when ever you want and as big as you want.

Oh Yeah - you won't have to go through any paperwork (minus the FOID) to shoot your guns. Sometimes the Sheriff Deputies will stop and shoot with you!!

any room to hang a couple tree stands?

Oh yeah - and there's several thousand acres of National Forest all around!!  

[LightMyFire]

Assault weapon means:
(1) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a large capacity magazine detachable or otherwise and one or more of the following:
(A) Only a pistol grip without a stock attached;
( Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
© A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
(D) A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel; or
(E) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator;

(2) A semiautomatic pistol or any semi-automatic rifle that has a fixed magazine, that has the capacity to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition;

(3) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
(A) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
( A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
© A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel;
(D) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator; or
(E) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

(4) A semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:
(A) Only a pistol grip without a stock attached;
( Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
© A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
(D) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; or
(E) An ability to accept a detachable magazine;

(5) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

(6) Conversion kit, part or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;

(7) Shall include, but not be limited to, the assault weapons models identified as follows:
(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:
(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
(ii) AR-10;
(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
(iv) AR70;
(v) Calico Liberty;
(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
(xi) Saiga;
(xii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;
(xiii) SKS with detachable magazine;
(xiv) SLG 95;
(xv) SLR 95 or 96;
(xvi) Steyr AUG;
(xvii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
(xviii) Tavor;
(xix) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
(xx) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

( The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:
(i) Calico M-110;
(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;
(iii) Olympic Arms OA;
(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or
(v) Uzi.

© The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:
(i) Armscor 30 BG;
(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;
(iii) Striker 12; or
(iv) Streetsweeper.

[LightMyFire]

cook county

[Federal Farmer]

LightMyFire, on 10 September 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

cook county

Yes, that is Cook Cty's AWB, a cut-paste from Chicago's old ordinance.

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[RandyP]

My ARFy also came in the mail - same thing as others have reported - the corrections I made last time to the "Unknown" data were absent from this form and no way of knowing when it was due back to them other than don't be late - lol. One must presume that if their database doesn't recognize something 'Unknown' is the default to fill in the blanks? I dunno, My old Sears Ted Williams single shot 12ga with a numerical model number keeps coming back as Unknown make, unknown model.

Are there ANY programs well and efficiently run by a government agency? There sure seems to be a whole lot of 'stupid' out there. And in that list of AWs.... (viii) is why my High Point 995 carbine lives in Indiana with my brother. Just plain nutz.

[Federal Farmer]

I plan to repeat all of my corrections again this year as failure to do so might be considered lying and could be a felony.

[RandyP]

That's what I did - I made the corrections to my list on the supplied sheet for each "Unknown" - I too went to their website to use the firearms correction form they reference only to find there is no such form. Only to change personal data.

[Jason4567]

What is the ARRFF? Is that for Chicago registration?

[RandyP]

It is the Annual Report of firearm inventory we are required to submit as part of the Chicago Forearm Permit gun registration.

[Jason4567]

huh... I never heard of that. I have one gun registered in Chicago as of this spring. Will I be getting one of these in the mail?

[JackTripper]

A=Annual, so you will see it next spring.

Edited by JackTripper, 10 September 2012 - 12:20 PM.

[Jason4567]

Thanks Jack.

[Steve O]

Damn this crap here in this thread is depressing

A new favorite quote....

"A government that does not trust it’s law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust.” James Madison.

[Gunslinger]

I throw up in my mouth every time I read this thread. I would never put up with the crap you guys go through

[RandyP]

The present draconian rules in Chicago do pale in comparison to the decades long complete ban we endured. As always residents get to choose whether to comply with the laws or ignore them and risk the consequences. During the ban there were a whole lot of otherwise law abiding citizens who ignored the rules and simply flew below the radar and prayed they never got stoppped on the way to the range.

While the current CFP and registration sucks, it is nice to be legal.

[Gunslinger]

I never have not to this day and never will conform to any registration requirement, it is not me breaking the law by refusing to do it but it is the tyrants who require it who are breaking the law.

Come and take it....

Edited by Gunslinger, 11 September 2012 - 09:33 PM.