
Two Elderly Women Viciously Attacked in So. IL Church
#1
Posted 29 September 2009 - 10:02 PM
Two elderly southern Illinois women, one 69 and one 76 years old, were viciously attacked while working in a church in Anna, IL.
And this, dear Illinois General Assembly, is why we need a license to carry law in Illinois!
#2
Posted 29 September 2009 - 10:15 PM
#3
Posted 30 September 2009 - 05:43 AM
I am glad those women will be OK after this (physically, at least).
This indicates many things, I am sure, but one thing (and few of us even like to admit this) is that attacks can happen to pretty much anyone, pretty much anywhere. No one is sacred in the mind of a criminal, and no place is sacred (including churches, restaurants, schools, universities, etc.).
I think it's time the GA heard about this story ...
The second amendment guarantees the individual right to possess and carry arms in case of confrontation.
US Supreme Court
Lewis Carroll, 1872
#4
Posted 30 September 2009 - 05:45 AM
http://www.myfoxdetr...shoots_intruder
Pastor Shoots, Wounds Intruder at Detroit Church
Updated: Tuesday, 29 Sep 2009, 6:13 AM EDT
Published : Monday, 28 Sep 2009, 9:09 PM EDT
By The Associated Press
DETROIT (AP) - A retired police officer-turned-pastor shot and wounded a man who broke into his Detroit church, police said Monday.
Lawrence Adams went to Westside Bible Church on Sunday evening and found the intruder inside the building, said Detroit police Sgt. Eren Stephens. The man began swinging an object at the retired police lieutenant, who pulled out a handgun and shot him in the abdomen, he said.
"The pastor identified himself as a retired policeman. The guy kept swinging," Adams' wife, Iris, told The Associated Press Monday. The pastor, who was not injured, was licensed to carry the handgun, police said.
Police have not released the alleged intruder's name but said he was being treated at an area hospital. His injuries were not believed to be life-threatening.
Iris Adams said the church's security company called her at home Sunday after a burglar alarm at the building was triggered. She telephoned her husband, who went to the church with his sister, she said. The nondenominational church has had burglars in the past.
"Normally, they would break out one of our windows," Iris Adams said. "Our alarm has always gone off."
Lawrence Adams retired in 2006 after 25 years with the police department and was promoted to senior pastor at the church, where the couple had been members for several years, in 2007, his wife said.
Lewis Carroll, 1872
#5
Posted 30 September 2009 - 08:02 AM
This is an example of a good reason to not make churches "Criminal Protection Zones" by having them listed as places that carry is prohibited in LTC bills introduced in the legislature. This seems to be quite common in the bills introduced.
Will that church in Anna give the pastor permission to carry on church property, if he wants? On the concealed carry ballot referendum in that county 67% voted yes. My pastor mentioned a pastor friend in St. Louis who carries.
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Though defensive violence will always be a sad necessity in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrong doers should dominate just men. - Augustine
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
#6
Posted 01 October 2009 - 01:15 AM
My mother was beaten and almost killed by a burglar in her own home.
Who is not outraged by that?
The police cannot defend citizens against every surprise attack by criminals.
Rape, murder, assault are common, as long as the government does not enforce the laws.
Every person has the right to defend themselves.
If these elderly women had been armed, maybe the outcome would have been much happier.
Yay guns!!! boooo anti-gunners!
#7
Posted 01 October 2009 - 02:04 AM
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When will the courts uphold our human rights of self defense?
Yay guns!!! boooo anti-gunners!
#8
Posted 01 October 2009 - 06:54 AM
VERY LUCKILY the out come was only 1 purse stolen and both girls unharmed !
" the rest of the story " part . . i dont think they were after just money ...
this happen at Hanover Park apt. complex , 911 call and took cops 6 mins to arrive ...
the guy who called 911 even said seemed like a lifetime ..
no arrests -no leads - the 2 guys still at large to pray on others unarmed citizens ....
i have gone to IGOLD ,
met with my legislators, told my story and pleaded i do not want my kids to be a victim again !
we need CCW
needless to say i will not vote for any of them next election and told them to their face
#9
Posted 01 October 2009 - 07:07 AM
Maybe some day some Illinoisan with a non-resident LTC will be killed because they didn't have the means to defend themselves and their spouse will sue the state for being the only state in the union not to allow them a means of self defense.
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Though defensive violence will always be a sad necessity in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrong doers should dominate just men. - Augustine
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
#10
Posted 01 October 2009 - 07:59 AM
Even Chicago is better then Rockford withour 1999-2007 average crime index from city data of 676. No supprise here, when the neighbor asks me who was shooting fireworks last night I respond might sound like fireworks to you but that was gunfire. Even San Antonio where claims of high crime are lower then Chicago.
WHY CARRY A GUN? Because carrying a Cop would be too heavy.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
--George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426.
#11
Posted 01 October 2009 - 03:33 PM
The Southern
#12
Posted 01 October 2009 - 06:50 PM
Will that church in Anna give the pastor permission to carry on church property, if he wants?
In one of the first articles that I read about the attack, the preacher made the statement that "Security measures had been put in place". I've spent a lot of time in Anna in years past. I know some of the folks that attend the Baptist church there. I'm thinking that I know some of the "security" he's talking about.
And it ain't cameras!
AB
The Roman Empire fell due to a large, corrupt government, overspending, an overextended military, insecure borders, and the illegal immigration of Goths, barbarians (anyone who was not educated), and religious fanatics. Sound familiar?
"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams
Luke 11:21 - "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed." NASB
#13
Posted 01 October 2009 - 07:15 PM
Under Illinois law Cant you still carry in church if it is cased and unloaded?
Or do you have to have permission?
I've heard of a lot of church shootings that could have been avoided if someone took the few seconds to load and engage.
If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed.
Gun control is not about guns, it's about control. Once they have all the guns, they'll also have complete control.-Abolt
Guns kill people just like beds get girls pregnant.
#14
Posted 01 October 2009 - 08:27 PM
Thats what came to mind for me when he said "security measures". The states attorney for Union County, where Anna is located had charges brought against him within the last year, if I recall correctly. He was being served papers at the court house by a process server and allegedly pulled a handgun.Will that church in Anna give the pastor permission to carry on church property, if he wants?
In one of the first articles that I read about the attack, the preacher made the statement that "Security measures had been put in place". I've spent a lot of time in Anna in years past. I know some of the folks that attend the Baptist church there. I'm thinking that I know some of the "security" he's talking about.
And it ain't cameras!
AB
Some years back a church I went to had a guy who was disiplined by the church who apparently made some threats. One of the elders was a cop and was asked to carry to service. The guy didn't show up or do anything.
Sigma, Cased and unloaded is transporting. Unless the church has a school there it should be OK.
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Though defensive violence will always be a sad necessity in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrong doers should dominate just men. - Augustine
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
#15
Posted 01 October 2009 - 08:49 PM
Maybe "security measures" is the same thing I thought of when I read that. I think it was in the past year that the Union County states attorney had charges brought against him for allegedly pulling a handgun on a process server who was serving him a summons.Will that church in Anna give the pastor permission to carry on church property, if he wants?
In one of the first articles that I read about the attack, the preacher made the statement that "Security measures had been put in place". I've spent a lot of time in Anna in years past. I know some of the folks that attend the Baptist church there. I'm thinking that I know some of the "security" he's talking about.
And it ain't cameras!
AB
A chuch I went to some years ago had a guy under church disipline who made some threats. One of the elders was a cop and was asked to carry to service. The guy never showed up.
Sigma, Unloaded and encased is transport. That should be OK unless the church had a school.
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Though defensive violence will always be a sad necessity in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrong doers should dominate just men. - Augustine
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
#16
Posted 03 October 2009 - 02:18 AM
Men here support womens individual right to defend themselves. And that is good.
Yay guns!!! boooo anti-gunners!
#17
Posted 04 October 2009 - 03:34 PM
So maybe the "enhanced security measures" might end up ending the career of another criminal that breaks into that Anna church.
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Though defensive violence will always be a sad necessity in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrong doers should dominate just men. - Augustine
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
#18
Posted 04 October 2009 - 05:52 PM
#19
Posted 05 October 2009 - 08:41 AM
i wonder if i can transport there incasesd and unloaded
If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed.
Gun control is not about guns, it's about control. Once they have all the guns, they'll also have complete control.-Abolt
Guns kill people just like beds get girls pregnant.
#20
Posted 05 October 2009 - 11:36 AM
Do you live in Chicago as well? If so they could get you for having an unregistered handgun. What is the penalty for that? Unless there is a school you should be OK if you live outside Chicago. Not saying you might not be arrested if found transporting, but I don't know of anyone convicted. You make your choices and take your chances in Illinois. I wouldn't doubt that that lady from the Anna church will be carrying if they give her permission, or at least transporting.Yeah but my church is in Chicago.
i wonder if i can transport there incasesd and unloaded
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Though defensive violence will always be a sad necessity in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrong doers should dominate just men. - Augustine
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
#21
Posted 05 October 2009 - 11:47 AM
Do you live in Chicago as well? If so they could get you for having an unregistered handgun. What is the penalty for that? Unless there is a school you should be OK if you live outside Chicago. Not saying you might not be arrested if found transporting, but I don't know of anyone convicted. You make your choices and take your chances in Illinois. I wouldn't doubt that that lady from the Anna church will be carrying if they give her permission, or at least transporting.Yeah but my church is in Chicago.
i wonder if i can transport there incasesd and unloaded
Thanks for your reply. No I live in the suburbs where its ok to have a handgun. But unfortunatley I have to go to Chicago for Church on Sundays.
Just wondering. Im new to this and really dont know where I can transport. I carried unloaded in my case then put it in my backpack the other day at Burlington Coat factory and felt like I was doing something wrong but I cant help but think about those women at Lane Bryant.
If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed.
Gun control is not about guns, it's about control. Once they have all the guns, they'll also have complete control.-Abolt
Guns kill people just like beds get girls pregnant.
#22
Posted 05 October 2009 - 12:32 PM
He said he works with a couple that go to that church and the younger of the two women has a license to carry and is supposed to be a good shot.
Anyone who lives in the area and can get through to her? Her story could help our fight to freedom.
YOUR WALLET, the only place Democrats care to drill
#23
Posted 06 October 2009 - 06:30 AM
If you keep "fanny pack transporting" you'll get more comfortable with it. Then maybe you'll be able to comfortably chat with a local LEO at a community festival like I did a few weeks ago. Bible covers work good on sundays, with a small zippered case inside especially if you have one with a small side pocket where you can put a small Bible in. Remember of course to keep your Bible cover with you. You don't want someone taking yours opening it up because they want to look up some passage and having your handgun case drop out, even worse if you didn't have a handgun case inside. Imagine the awkward silence, or gasps when your handgun hits the floor. I assume that no school is connected with your church so it isn't in a "safe school zone".Do you live in Chicago as well? If so they could get you for having an unregistered handgun. What is the penalty for that? Unless there is a school you should be OK if you live outside Chicago. Not saying you might not be arrested if found transporting, but I don't know of anyone convicted. You make your choices and take your chances in Illinois. I wouldn't doubt that that lady from the Anna church will be carrying if they give her permission, or at least transporting.Yeah but my church is in Chicago.
i wonder if i can transport there incasesd and unloaded
Thanks for your reply. No I live in the suburbs where its ok to have a handgun. But unfortunatley I have to go to Chicago for Church on Sundays.
Just wondering. Im new to this and really dont know where I can transport. I carried unloaded in my case then put it in my backpack the other day at Burlington Coat factory and felt like I was doing something wrong but I cant help but think about those women at Lane Bryant.
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Though defensive violence will always be a sad necessity in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrong doers should dominate just men. - Augustine
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
#24
Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:27 AM
It is true that one of the women had previously taken a defensive handgun class. I know her instructor.He said he works with a couple that go to that church and the younger of the two women has a license to carry and is supposed to be a good shot.
Anyone who lives in the area and can get through to her? Her story could help our fight to freedom.
We plan to be in touch in the future.
Molly B.
#25
Posted 06 October 2009 - 06:46 PM
Garvers bond was set at $10,000 and Bates at $1,000,000.
The pastor of Anna 1st Baptist said the two women are doing better.
I don't know if that 4 counts of attempted murder is correct, but that is what the article said.
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Though defensive violence will always be a sad necessity in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrong doers should dominate just men. - Augustine
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
#26
Posted 07 October 2009 - 07:42 AM
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Though defensive violence will always be a sad necessity in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrong doers should dominate just men. - Augustine
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
#27
Posted 07 October 2009 - 10:50 AM
It is true that one of the women had previously taken a defensive handgun class. I know her instructor.He said he works with a couple that go to that church and the younger of the two women has a license to carry and is supposed to be a good shot.
Anyone who lives in the area and can get through to her? Her story could help our fight to freedom.
We plan to be in touch in the future.
Molly B.
Great to hear! Sadly, common sense is never enough to motivate the sheltered and ignorant who want to disarm citizens and make them into helpless victims. Like Texas, it takes putting an actual face, name, and tragic human experience to disarm "gun controloid's" deceptive rhetoric.
#28
Posted 13 October 2009 - 02:12 PM
One of the women, Mary Shepherd had taken defensive handgun training courses - but of course is denied the right
to carry a firearm in the state of IL.
Anyone wanting to send a card or word of encouragement to Mary may send them in care of the Heartland Training Team where
Mary has been a student and they will be glad to forward the correspondences.
Mary Shepherd
c/o Heartland Training Team
756 Catalpa Way, Marion, Ill 62959.
#29
Posted 17 August 2010 - 09:23 AM
Bates pleads guilty to Anna church beatings
Web Editor - Michael Vick
ANNA, Ill. - The man accused of beating two elderly female church workers pleaded guilty Tuesday.
Willis Bates was charged with two counts of attempted murder in connection to the 2009 attack. The court sentenced him to 23 years in the Illinois Department of Corrections on each count, to be served concurrently. Bates must serve at least 85 percent of the sentence under Illinois law.
Willis, 46, broke into the First Baptist Church in Anna, Illinois, Sept. 28, 2009 and attacked 69-year-old Mary Shepard and 76-year-old Leona Mount. Bates also took money from one of the victims and from the church.
The Union County State's Attorney, Tyler Edwards, said both Shepard and Mount have made "tremendous progress in their recoveries."
Mount's family released the following statement:
"We would like to thank the community and our church family for all their support. Through your prayers and acts of kindness, God has done great and mighty things. We will never forget how God has used you in this very difficult time in our lives. A special thank you to all the law enforcement and the State's Attorneys' Office for all their dedication and hard work that has made this day another milestone in the healing and restoration process. Thanks again to each and everyone. To God be the Glory."
#30
Posted 17 August 2010 - 08:33 PM
Here's an update:
Bates pleads guilty to Anna church beatings
Web Editor - Michael Vick
ANNA, Ill. - The man accused of beating two elderly female church workers pleaded guilty Tuesday.
Willis Bates was charged with two counts of attempted murder in connection to the 2009 attack. The court sentenced him to 23 years in the Illinois Department of Corrections on each count, to be served concurrently. Bates must serve at least 85 percent of the sentence under Illinois law.
Willis, 46, broke into the First Baptist Church in Anna, Illinois, Sept. 28, 2009 and attacked 69-year-old Mary Shepard and 76-year-old Leona Mount. Bates also took money from one of the victims and from the church.
The Union County State's Attorney, Tyler Edwards, said both Shepard and Mount have made "tremendous progress in their recoveries."
Mount's family released the following statement:
"We would like to thank the community and our church family for all their support. Through your prayers and acts of kindness, God has done great and mighty things. We will never forget how God has used you in this very difficult time in our lives. A special thank you to all the law enforcement and the State's Attorneys' Office for all their dedication and hard work that has made this day another milestone in the healing and restoration process. Thanks again to each and everyone. To God be the Glory."
Glad to hear they're doing better.
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
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