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[junglebob]

boog, on Sep 28 2009, 04:43 AM, said:

has anyone seen this ?
http://www.ksl.com/?...148&sid=8054891
boog

Since I'm one of 56,000 who've applied for the Utah LTC this year I'd like Utah permit laws to say the same.  I'd like the renewal fee to stay at $10 when my Utah LTC expires in April of 2014, especially if Illinois doesn't get LTC before that or have good reciprocity with other states.  I'm glad to see that the Utah governor has opposition to any changes in the LTC process in Utah.

When Illinois gets LTC it would be nice if they recognized all other states LTC, like Utah does.  This would probably help get maximum reciprocity, that and a secretary of state that wanted maximum reciprocity.

The Utah Governor says he supports the second amendment (don't they all say that),but doesn't want Utah to be a "clearing house for LTC permits.   He supports it but wants a limited number of people to be able to exercise it.

[BigJim]

BigJim, on Jun 23 2009, 10:16 AM, said:

Took the class at GAT Sunday and mailed it last night.  Guess I may have it by Christmas if I'm lucky!

Mine came yesterday.  I too got the letter about the permit is valid pending the FBI check.  So that means it took just over 3 months.

[Roger Z]

Failed FBI background check...

On Saturday I received a packet from the Utah BCI indicating that the FBI rejected my fingerprint card because the prints could not be read.  The packet also included a new fingerprint card that I need to submit by an unspecified time in order to keep my carry permit from being suspended.  An interesting note is that the rejection notice is dated 9/9/09 but the envelope is postmarked 9/22/09.  I received my permit on 8/13.

Monday I contacted the place I took the training and got the contact information for the police organization that did the fingerprinting.  I called the number and spoke to an officer who said he would contact me "soon" to set up a time and place to do the second fingerprint card.

Has this happened to anyone else?  More importantly does anyone know how much time I have to submit the new fingerprint card before my permit is suspended?

Thanks!

Roger

ps If you recently received your permit and get a large envelope form the BCI be afraid - be very afraid!!

[Howard Roark]

I took the Utah CCW course at Gander Mountain in Geneva a couple of weeks ago, from Patty and Greg at CarrySafely.com.  I sent in my paper work to Utah and now I wait.   My Illinois driver license expires in December so I hope it gets processed before then.  And I have used various similar names that I documented on the forms.  Hope that doesn't cause a reject.

John Q. Public.
Johnny Q. Public
J. Quincy Public.
Quincy Public.

My wallet contains documents with all of those variations!  I know... yes... it's messed up!

[ming]

Mine came today, valid pending FBI check being completed.  Credit card charged on 8/25 so it took a little less than 2 months.  Still waiting on FL.
Thanks due to the folks at CarrySafely.com.

[boog]

Roger Z, on Sep 30 2009, 08:04 PM, said:

Failed FBI background check...

On Saturday I received a packet from the Utah BCI indicating that the FBI rejected my fingerprint card because the prints could not be read.  The packet also included a new fingerprint card that I need to submit by an unspecified time in order to keep my carry permit from being suspended.  An interesting note is that the rejection notice is dated 9/9/09 but the envelope is postmarked 9/22/09.  I received my permit on 8/13.

Monday I contacted the place I took the training and got the contact information for the police organization that did the fingerprinting.  I called the number and spoke to an officer who said he would contact me "soon" to set up a time and place to do the second fingerprint card.

Has this happened to anyone else?  More importantly does anyone know how much time I have to submit the new fingerprint card before my permit is suspended?

Thanks!

Roger



ps If you recently received your permit and get a large envelope form the BCI be afraid - be very afraid!!

i am assuming your fingerprints weren't taken by us at carrysafely. if they were let me know and it will be taken care of IMMEDIATELY.
boog

[Razor]

Mine came today. Check cashed on 8/13 so it took 2 months

[Trform]

Don't think I posted on here but mine was issued 7/09/09 and took just under 3 months if I remember correctly.

[boog]

we still have openings for tomorrows utah class at the rockford gander mountain

boog

[kurt555gs]

Took my Utah class in Indy last night. Put on by Dignitary Protection Group. I liked the class, great instructor. Now the clock starts ticking.....

[Howard Roark]

Got my Utah card this week. Took 2 months.  Letter with the card said "pending" Federal FBI check.

Weird !?  My prints are good (no bad history).

I will be carrying in Indiana, Missouri, and Michigan.... with my family.

***sigh****

Thanks Utah!  You're doing the right thing!

[sctman800]

I hate to bring some bad news, but Michigan only recognizes LTC if you live in the issuing state.  In other words we are all $crewed there for CC.  Check for yourself but it is my understanding that we from Illinois can open carry with our FOID card and no loaded firearms in a vehicle.   Jim.

[junglebob]

Howard Roark, on Nov 29 2009, 10:39 PM, said:

Got my Utah card this week. Took 2 months.  Letter with the card said "pending" Federal FBI check.

Weird !?  My prints are good (no bad history).

I will be carrying in Indiana, Missouri, and Michigan.... with my family.

***sigh****

Thanks Utah!  You're doing the right thing!

I got the same message when mine came, issued this April.  I'm guessing it is standard procedure.  Anyone get their Utah LTC this year without this qualification?

[Ocellairs]

Is there a class coming up in the Effingham Area...say a 50 mile radius of the city?

[boog]

Ocellairs, on Nov 30 2009, 08:23 AM, said:

Is there a class coming up in the Effingham Area...say a 50 mile radius of the city?

if you can get 10 people we will come down there for a class. let me know
boog

[Ocellairs]

boog, on Nov 30 2009, 08:30 AM, said:

Ocellairs, on Nov 30 2009, 08:23 AM, said:

Is there a class coming up in the Effingham Area...say a 50 mile radius of the city?

if you can get 10 people we will come down there for a class. let me know
boog

...that many may require a cave man approach.  

[David59]

sctman800, on Nov 30 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

I hate to bring some bad news, but Michigan only recognizes LTC if you live in the issuing state.  In other words we are all $crewed there for CC.  Check for yourself but it is my understanding that we from Illinois can open carry with our FOID card and no loaded firearms in a vehicle.   Jim.

You're correct, no Michigan CC carry.  You can open carry but be very careful.  You can't open carry anywhere where alcohol is sold (gas station, Walmart, bar, restaurant or grocery stores).  It wasn’t until last January that a person from Illinois could even bring a handgun to Michigan.

Mr ******,

MCL 28.422 was recently amended to exempt residents of other states from pistol registration requirements (allowing them to possess a pistol in Michigan) if all of the following requirements are met:

1. The person is licensed by their state of residence to purchase, transport, or carry a pistol,

2.The person is in possession of the license while in Michigan,

3.The person owns the pistol possessed in Michigan,

4.The person possess the pistol for a lawful purpose as defined in MCL 750.231a, and

5.The person is in Michigan less than 180 days and does not intend to establish residency here.

A non-resident must present the license issued by their state to a police officer upon demand. Failure to do so is a 90-day misdemeanor.
Before this amendment, only CPL holders from other states could lawfully possess a pistol in Michigan.

You may transport the pistol in your vehicle as long as you are the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the pistol may be in the passenger compartment of the vehicle unloaded and inaccessible to the occupants of the vehicle.  (MCL 750.231a)

Also, "open carry" is legal in Michigan because there is no law prohibiting it.   However, make sure you do not carry in and of Michigan's pistol/firearm free zones found in MCL 750.234d.

Tpr. Chris Hawkins
Michigan State Police
Executive Division
714 S. Harrison Rd
East Lansing, MI  48823

[kurt555gs]

Got my Utah permit in the mail today. It came with the usual subject to FBI check ......

My credit card was billed 10/29/09 and today is 12/18/09, only 50 days.

*Update: the Date of Issue on the card is 12/9/09, so actually 41 days from when they processed my application to issuance.

Yeah!

I have a PA permit which will now go to the back of the wallet because the Utah one is much kewler looking and is good anywhere the PA one is.

[billzfx4]

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Utah BCI has removed the requirement to have your application notarized. This apparently has been done in an effort to streamline the process for students. Obtaining notarization on your Utah CFP application is no longer necessary. Instead, the student must simply acknowledge by their signature that all of the information contained on the application is true and accurate.

Can any of the instructors confirm/deny this??

*Edit*
I pulled up the current application and the spot for the notary is now gone.  You just sign that all info. is true and correct.

[mrjam2jab]

billzfx4, on 16 May 2010 - 08:25 AM, said:

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Utah BCI has removed the requirement to have your application notarized. This apparently has been done in an effort to streamline the process for students. Obtaining notarization on your Utah CFP application is no longer necessary. Instead, the student must simply acknowledge by their signature that all of the information contained on the application is true and accurate.

Can any of the instructors confirm/deny this??

*Edit*
I pulled up the current application and the spot for the notary is now gone.  You just sign that all info. is true and correct.

Your link is defective...  Here's the fixed link  

[Lou]

Utah gun permit business booming - in other states
Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:46pm EDT

* Utah offers easy concealed weapons licenses

linky

* License costs $62.25

By Laura Zuckerman

SALMON, Idaho, June 28 (Reuters) - Never shot a gun? Never been to Utah? Got a "combat mindset"?

If yes to the above, you could qualify for a concealed gun permit from Utah, which is seeing record demand for permits from people all across the United States who never been to the state and have no intention of ever going.

Bedrock conservatism is enjoying a surge with the rise of the Tea Party movement, which advocates small government, individual rights and has made a strong showing in Utah. The debate may become only hotter after a Monday U.S. Supreme Court ruling extended gun rights to all cities and states.

Spurred by fears that U.S. President Barack Obama will add gun control to his already crowded domestic agenda, denizens of the once-wild West and other Americans are snapping up firearm permits. Some 90 million people in the United States have an estimated 200 million guns.

Utah makes it easy, and thousands have enrolled in classes promoting its concealed weapons license to people from other states, many of whom have never been to Utah and never intend to go there.

Salmon, Idaho resident Bruce Smith just took an Idaho-based Utah permit course that would let him carry in Idaho, Utah and 31 other states. Course provider Ericsson Investigations on its Web site promises to teach laws, gun safety and "the combat 'mind set'".

"I'd hate to be without backup," Smith said. The course did not include shooting a gun but did show how to load one.

A five-year permit good in 33 states has flooded Utah with applications, with the number rising to 74,000 last year. The fee is $65.25. Applicants must also clear a background check, be 21, and take a course.

Today, more out-of-state residents have Utah licenses than state residents, and out-of-state instructors outnumber those from Utah.

Utah's program alarms gun control groups like the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

"It's a state where they don't seem to care about the consequences that may arise from some of the permits they're issuing," said spokesman Peter Hamm.

OUT OF STATE CLASSES

Texas and other gun-friendly states require gun permit classes to be based in their state, which Utah does not. Utah's licenses are valid in more states than most, too. Idaho permits are valid in only four other states -- one eighth the number with which Utah has agreements.

Not all states are happy with Utah's plan. Western neighbors New Mexico and Nevada in recent months have revoked recognition of Utah's licenses because it doesn't oblige applicants to train with a handgun or even fire one.

With the state poised to become the de facto national supplier of such permits, officials with the Utah Bureau of Criminal Identification say they are overwhelmed.

"The only people making money off it are the instructors," said Lt. Doug Anderson, manager of the concealed firearms program.

More Americans than ever believe they need to carry a concealed weapon, and the sentiment is widespread in Western states, where historic settlement saw justice dispensed at the end of a gun barrel.

The pattern strengthened when Obama was elected president. Pro-gun activists emphasized that Obama was from Illinois, one of two states that forbid carrying concealed weapons.

"With the change in administration from Bush to Obama, people became concerned there would be additional gun-control legislation," said Idaho-based firearms instructor John Kie. "That hasn't played out but the fear is there."

Concealed-carry permits in states like Colorado, Montana, Idaho and Texas are jumping.

"Obama and all of them are just trying to take away our rights," said Salmon Mayor John Miller, a self-described gun activist. "I believe in guns. Idaho, Montana, all the Wild West states, we're not giving up our guns."

(Reporting by Laura Zuckerman, editing by Peter Henderson and Alan Elsner)

[junglebob]

Some don't like the Utah LTC because its issued to those taking out of state classes, well Florida is as well.  They just want the classes to be in the issuing state so less are issued.

[sctman800]

Some don't like the Utah LTC because its issued to those taking out of state classes, well Florida is as well. They just want the classes to be in the issuing state so less are issued.


   I will have to somewhat disagree with you on this.  This may be part of the problem but I believe the bigger objection is the fact "live fire" is not included in the requirements for Utah.  Florida has live fire as an intregral part of the training requirement. From the research I have done it appears that the more training required to get a permit the more it is recognized it is by other states.   Jim.

[sctman800]

Just recieved my Utah LTC, sent the check for $10 renewall fee on 6-21-10 and got it back yesterday.  That is a total of 15 days, awesome.   Jim.

[ones]

When I received my card, my birth day was wrong. I contacted the office and they sent out a new card. Always review all data on your card.

[ilphil]

Sent my renewal on the 17th...will be interesting to see how long it takes to get my new card.

[Xwing]

boog, on 28 September 2009 - 03:43 AM, said:

has anyone seen this ?
http://www.ksl.com/?...148&sid=8054891
boog

Kinda scary.  I know that Utah is doing more than their fair share of the work in allowing recognition of the 2nd amendment for states (like Illinois) who are anti-freedom.  But they need to keep on.  For people like us in No Issue or restrictive May Issue states, we rely on Utah and Florida on order to exercise our rights.  Anyway, I’m sure Utah makes a money on the $65 fee, so it can continue to be a win-win.

[samy12386]

is a copy of a DD 214 or photocopy of active duty military ID good for UTAH like it is in Florida?

[boog]

samy12386, on 25 August 2011 - 01:23 PM, said:

is a copy of a DD 214 or photocopy of active duty military ID good for UTAH like it is in Florida?

Nope, you must attend a class taught by a Utah certified instructor
boog

[vito]

I took the Utah class a few weeks ago at Pine Tree Pistol Club in Rockford and sent in my application a few days ago. I thought the fingerprint issue would be a hassle, but I went to the County Sheriff's office in Rockford and the Deputy took my prints immediately so it was no hassle at all. To make sure the photo was not an issue, I went to Walgreens and had them take passport photos so I know it is the right size, etc. I mailed the application, check, etc. in on 10/12/12 and I will post when I receive the license. And maybe I am missing something, but I don't really see any need to get a FL license as well, since I have no plans to actually be in FL. Between my PA license and now the Utah license I think I will be pretty well covered for much of the country.