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[ewellnitz]

Medula Oblongata, on Nov 8 2008, 01:04 PM, said:

Good points; however I have noticed that any organization tends to completely ignore the new members who try and buck the existing system.

Tell y'all what, I'll join the ISRA and report back on my interactions with their board of directors.  I'll make all my communications with them public, so you can judge for yourself their attitudes and opinions.

Deal?

If it isn't what you expected, then you don't have to renew.  

If they want my money, they will listen.  If I like what I see, they can count on me renewing at either a life or endowment membership next year.  If I don't like what I see, then they won't get any more of my money.

[mikew]

Medula Oblongata, on Nov 8 2008, 01:04 PM, said:

Good points; however I have noticed that any organization tends to completely ignore the new members who try and buck the existing system.

Tell y'all what, I'll join the ISRA and report back on my interactions with their board of directors.  I'll make all my communications with them public, so you can judge for yourself their attitudes and opinions.

Deal?

Hmm, Someone who joins today and bucks the existing system tomorrow...
What's the existing system?

Are you joining with a chip on your shoulder?

[Medula Oblongata]

[quote name='mikew' post='122514' date='Nov 8 2008, 01:10 PM']You couldn't be more wrong.

Well, Ryan, I don't know who it was that you talked to at the NRA convention, I'd love to know.
But I don't know about the context of the conversation about hunting.[/quote]

I'm not wrong, I don't happen to appreciate that description.  I was relating my experience of dealing with the guys at the NRA convention.  That you don't agree with me is your right, but I would ask that you not call me a liar.  I realy dont appreciate that in the slightest/

[quote name='mikew' post='122514' date='Nov 8 2008, 01:10 PM']I DO know that ISRA leadership has a large contingent of current or former competitive shooters, across many disciplines.  There are no Zumbos on the board of directors. However, in addition to the love of shooting, many in the ISRA leadership like to hunt, too.  You might find the latest racing gas gun as well as a weathered Weatherby in the same collection.[/quote]

I absolutely fail to see how this has any bearing on the topic we're discussing.

[quote name='mikew' post='122514' date='Nov 8 2008, 01:10 PM']As hunters as well as marksmen, the ISRA leadership recognizes that hunters can be tough to get to join the ISRA.  there's always outreach going on.[/quote]

I still fail to understand how this relates to the context of this discussion.

[quote name='mikew' post='122514' date='Nov 8 2008, 01:10 PM']The ISRA and the NRA have been trying to get CCW here in Illinois for more than a few years. It's not easy, we've got the liberal majority in Chicago.  The ISRA is not giving up.  And CCW is not the only concern of ISRA or its members, who are located all over the state.[/quote]

Again, I fail to see how this relates to my stated disagreement with the ISRA.  My disagreement was with how the representatives at the NRA show portrayed their stance on 'black rifles' and those who own them.

[Medula Oblongata]

mikew, on Nov 8 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

Medula Oblongata, on Nov 8 2008, 01:04 PM, said:

Good points; however I have noticed that any organization tends to completely ignore the new members who try and buck the existing system.

Tell y'all what, I'll join the ISRA and report back on my interactions with their board of directors.  I'll make all my communications with them public, so you can judge for yourself their attitudes and opinions.

Deal?

Hmm, Someone who joins today and bucks the existing system tomorrow...
What's the existing system?

Are you joining with a chip on your shoulder?

Are you posting with a chip on yours?

Seriously, you seem to have a burr up your behind, and I really don't appreciate it.  I just slapped down my $25.00; I'll see for myself, and you will to, their attitudes and opinions.  I would ask that before you start lambasting me as an agitator, you wait to see what my investigation brings.

Until then, I'll bid you a good day and refrain from dealing with you any further.

[mikew]

[quote name='Medula Oblongata' post='122519' date='Nov 8 2008, 01:18 PM'][quote name='mikew' post='122514' date='Nov 8 2008, 01:10 PM']You couldn't be more wrong.

Well, Ryan, I don't know who it was that you talked to at the NRA convention, I'd love to know.
But I don't know about the context of the conversation about hunting.[/quote]

I'm not wrong, I don't happen to appreciate that description.  I was relating my experience of dealing with the guys at the NRA convention.  That you don't agree with me is your right, but I would ask that you not call me a liar.  I realy dont appreciate that in the slightest/

[quote name='mikew' post='122514' date='Nov 8 2008, 01:10 PM']I DO know that ISRA leadership has a large contingent of current or former competitive shooters, across many disciplines.  There are no Zumbos on the board of directors. However, in addition to the love of shooting, many in the ISRA leadership like to hunt, too.  You might find the latest racing gas gun as well as a weathered Weatherby in the same collection.[/quote]

I absolutely fail to see how this has any bearing on the topic we're discussing.

[quote name='mikew' post='122514' date='Nov 8 2008, 01:10 PM']As hunters as well as marksmen, the ISRA leadership recognizes that hunters can be tough to get to join the ISRA.  there's always outreach going on.[/quote]

I still fail to understand how this relates to the context of this discussion.

[quote name='mikew' post='122514' date='Nov 8 2008, 01:10 PM']The ISRA and the NRA have been trying to get CCW here in Illinois for more than a few years. It's not easy, we've got the liberal majority in Chicago.  The ISRA is not giving up.  And CCW is not the only concern of ISRA or its members, who are located all over the state.[/quote]

Again, I fail to see how this relates to my stated disagreement with the ISRA.  My disagreement was with how the representatives at the NRA show portrayed their stance on 'black rifles' and those who own them.
[/quote]
I'm sorry that you came away from that convention with the idea that the ISRA doesn't like black rifles.  The ISRA's legacy is civilian marksmanship, and that remains a large part of the mission.

[mikew]

Medula Oblongata, on Nov 8 2008, 01:23 PM, said:

mikew, on Nov 8 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

Medula Oblongata, on Nov 8 2008, 01:04 PM, said:

Good points; however I have noticed that any organization tends to completely ignore the new members who try and buck the existing system.

Tell y'all what, I'll join the ISRA and report back on my interactions with their board of directors.  I'll make all my communications with them public, so you can judge for yourself their attitudes and opinions.

Deal?

Hmm, Someone who joins today and bucks the existing system tomorrow...
What's the existing system?

Are you joining with a chip on your shoulder?

Are you posting with a chip on yours?

Seriously, you seem to have a burr up your behind, and I really don't appreciate it.  I just slapped down my $25.00; I'll see for myself, and you will to, their attitudes and opinions.  I would ask that before you start lambasting me as an agitator, you wait to see what my investigation brings.

Until then, I'll bid you a good day and refrain from dealing with you any further.

Welcome Aboard, then.
You have my complete attention.

You have no chip, and I have no burr.

ewellnitz, you too.
>>If they want my money, they will listen.
We're listening.


Mike Weisman.

ISRA Officers and Board of Directors - Mike Weisman

[GarandFan]

It is my opinion that the purpose of the ISRA is not as narrow as the one advocated in some pointed posts above.  Not only do I feel that some of the observations are at least in part factually incorrect, I feel that those views are simply too narrow.  People own guns and support the second amendment for a variety of reasons, and they prioritize those reasons differently.  The larger national and state organizations necessarily need to serve as an umbrella over a wide variety of people with different priorities.

And change in those organizations comes slow.  It is best that way, and it must be that way.

I think it is unrealistic and counterproductive for some to demand that all gun, hunter, and second amendment advocacy groups line up in a narrow, pointed line.  I support the efforts of several 2A related groups ... and particularly those ones in Illinois.  They rub me the right way most of the time, and the wrong way sometimes ... but that is what having thick skin is about.  

I think that many of us could use steady doses of patience, tolerance, forgiveness and perspective.

[ewellnitz]

GarandFan, on Nov 8 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

I think that many of us could use steady doses of patience, tolerance, forgiveness and perspective.

Tolerance pus Illinois and the USA in the position it is in today.  Tolerance of our Rights being continually eroded, tolerance of everything except what this country is supposed to stand for.  

I giving ISRA the benefit of the doubt.   Let's see what we can all acomplish together during the next ILGA session.  

My question is this:  If gun groups have so much more money than the Brady's, why do the Brady's (and other like minded groups) continue to dominate?  Something is broken and needs to be fixed in a bad way.

[Ol'Coach]

Ryan, 3 yrs ago, I would have agreed with you.

2 yrs ago, hmmm??????

But for the last 2 yrs, the ISRA, IMO has been a major player in the gains made by ALL firearms owners in Illinois.

And, in case you haven't noticed, we have made gains; those gains have come basically by no new anti-rights bills being passed and by gaining recognition of our 2nd Amendment rights.  We are edging ever closer to  LTC in Illinois.  The members of this site have contributed greatly to all that, but I, for one, believe it wouldn't have been accomplished without the ISRA.  I believe they have made a huge turn-around in the past 2 yrs!!!  And you gotta give them credit for realizing what the real world is like!  

It's all of us working together that's gettin' it done.

[abolt243]

ewellnitz, on Nov 8 2008, 03:16 PM, said:

GarandFan, on Nov 8 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

I think that many of us could use steady doses of patience, tolerance, forgiveness and perspective.

Tolerance pus Illinois and the USA in the position it is in today.  Tolerance of our Rights being continually eroded, tolerance of everything except what this country is supposed to stand for.  

I giving ISRA the benefit of the doubt.   Let's see what we can all acomplish together during the next ILGA session.  

My question is this: If gun groups have so much more money than the Brady's, why do the Brady's (and other like minded groups) continue to dominate?  Something is broken and needs to be fixed in a bad way.

Where are you getting this information??  The Brady's and almost all other anti-gun groups are financed, at least in part, by the Joyce Foundation.  Do a search on this board and see some of the research done by the members here and see how much money that one foundation pours into the anti movement.  Then, there's always Georgie Soros, international anti-gunner, who bankrolled much of Obama's campaign and continues to try to get the US to be part of the UN small arms policy.

Gun groups do NOT have much more or even as much money as the Brady's or the other anti groups.  Why do you think that you get a plea for funds in the mail so often from the NRA, ISRA, CCKRBA, SAF and all the others??
Where did you get that idea, I'm curious??  

AB

[ewellnitz]

abolt243, on Nov 8 2008, 04:31 PM, said:

ewellnitz, on Nov 8 2008, 03:16 PM, said:

GarandFan, on Nov 8 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

I think that many of us could use steady doses of patience, tolerance, forgiveness and perspective.

Tolerance pus Illinois and the USA in the position it is in today.  Tolerance of our Rights being continually eroded, tolerance of everything except what this country is supposed to stand for.  

I giving ISRA the benefit of the doubt.   Let's see what we can all acomplish together during the next ILGA session.  

My question is this: If gun groups have so much more money than the Brady's, why do the Brady's (and other like minded groups) continue to dominate?  Something is broken and needs to be fixed in a bad way.

Where are you getting this information??  The Brady's and almost all other anti-gun groups are financed, at least in part, by the Joyce Foundation.  Do a search on this board and see some of the research done by the members here and see how much money that one foundation pours into the anti movement.  Then, there's always Georgie Soros, international anti-gunner, who bankrolled much of Obama's campaign and continues to try to get the US to be part of the UN small arms policy.

Gun groups do NOT have much more or even as much money as the Brady's or the other anti groups.  Why do you think that you get a plea for funds in the mail so often from the NRA, ISRA, CCKRBA, SAF and all the others??
Where did you get that idea, I'm curious??  

AB

Abolt, I've seen posts on this site saying the Brady's are bankrupt.  Maybe I just misinterpreted them. If what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt you then gun owners need to stop complaining and DONATE.  NRA, ISRA. GOA - whichever one floats your boat.  I know it would never hapen but I wish all of these groups would unite as one or at least work together more often.

I challenge everyone here to give $100 to any 2A group when you get your tax return.  All of the retired folks need to drop theiir AARP membership too.  AARP is one of the biggest anti 2A groups out there that isn't specifically dedicated to being anti 2A.

[sctman800]

I used to be a person that didn't feel the ISRA was doing much for the ones of us who were not hunters or high power rifle shooters.  Then a couple years I decided to join and then if I had problems with the ISRA I would have standing as a member and in more of a position to critize.  I am sure it wasn't because I joined but about this same time they also seemed to make a change and became more active on CCW issues.  
   When I attend IGOLD09 this will make me three years in a row and a total of four.  I went around six or seven years ago and was joined there by approx 200 people there, not a lot of people not much impact.  Back then besides the ISRA there were several other orgizations such as CCRA and Concealed Carry Inc. among others, but IIRC not much cooperation between them.  Illinois Carry did not exist then and I don't remember anyone ever discussing right to carry.
   Much has happened since then, orginations change and new ones are born, attitudes change and information is spread around the state.  I am not sure what brought everyone together as gun owners and got us working thgether for the good of all but it is working.  Let us make the most of it, Jim.

[panzermk2]

Not to jump in to late, But Mike I was there also. That is exactly the attitude we received at the NRA convention.  

Complete Jim Zumbo all the way.

Even got a nice couple minute rant about not needing "Guns like that" and he had a good laugh ripping on anyone who would own one.

Little did he know I make a living selling ammo for those guns and was insulting the hell out of me. How many ammunition makers are there in ILL. again?

Heck our ILL. gun groups have been so successful downstate that the few gunmakers we had here have left or are leaving this state.



Didn't bother arguing or getting his name did not care.  This is also the reason Why I refuse to join the ISRA.

I have never brought this up becuase I did not care enough to waste my time. Calling my partner a lair gets my attention and then trying to change the subject gets me going.

Again I was there you were not. That was how we where treated.

If things have changed or if that was one of the old guard so be it. Does not change how we where treated.
I was basically told I wasn't welcome, well I don't need you either.

Jay

Anytime you want to discuss this call me at 815.814.0847

[Chris]

I don't think Mike was calling anyone a liar (If anyone was a liar it was the guy working the booth).

What I think happened was who ever was working the booth was sharing their own personal views and Mike was saying this is not the true view of the ISRA.

I've met in person quite a few of the leadership of the ISRA and I know that are here to help us in the fight for concealed carry and to stop black rifle bans.

Don't forget that the ISRA still has their lawsuit against Cook County's AWB.




FYI usually the ISRA is struggling to get people to work the booths at all different shows and you can't always be sure about the people and have to hope they'll do a good job.

To give you a clue about the type of people who they've had work their booths, I've done it a few times and it's not all that fun but it is necessary.


If it weren't for the ISRA we wouldn't have been able to do more than half the things we've done so far.

[Ol'Coach]

Reminds me of a Decatur gun shop owner I met when we were trying to fill buses for the 1st IGOLD event in '07.  He refused to put a signup sheet in his shop because "...it would offend some of the people who come in here."

I think that not all shop owners felt/feel that way.

I think the ISRA had the wrong guy in the booth that day!

[Lou]

Big Chris, on Nov 8 2008, 10:51 PM, said:

I don't think Mike was calling anyone a liar (If anyone was a liar it was the guy working the booth).

What I think happened was who ever was working the booth was sharing their own personal views and Mike was saying this is not the true view of the ISRA.

I've met in person quite a few of the leadership of the ISRA and I know that are here to help us in the fight for concealed carry and to stop black rifle bans.

Don't forget that the ISRA still has their lawsuit against Cook County's AWB.




FYI usually the ISRA is struggling to get people to work the booths at all different shows and you can't always be sure about the people and have to hope they'll do a good job.

To give you a clue about the type of people who they've had work their booths, I've done it a few times and it's not all that fun but it is necessary.


If it weren't for the ISRA we wouldn't have been able to do more than half the things we've done so far.

To reinforce Chris' point - the ISRA even had ME man a booth.

Here's an idea for you - if you don't like the people who man the booths because they don't think like you, volunteer yourself!
I'm sure the help would be greatly appreciated.

[panzermk2]

Lou, on Nov 9 2008, 01:22 PM, said:

Big Chris, on Nov 8 2008, 10:51 PM, said:

I don't think Mike was calling anyone a liar (If anyone was a liar it was the guy working the booth).

What I think happened was who ever was working the booth was sharing their own personal views and Mike was saying this is not the true view of the ISRA.

I've met in person quite a few of the leadership of the ISRA and I know that are here to help us in the fight for concealed carry and to stop black rifle bans.

Don't forget that the ISRA still has their lawsuit against Cook County's AWB.




FYI usually the ISRA is struggling to get people to work the booths at all different shows and you can't always be sure about the people and have to hope they'll do a good job.

To give you a clue about the type of people who they've had work their booths, I've done it a few times and it's not all that fun but it is necessary.


If it weren't for the ISRA we wouldn't have been able to do more than half the things we've done so far.

To reinforce Chris' point - the ISRA even had ME man a booth.

Here's an idea for you - if you don't like the people who man the booths because they don't think like you, volunteer yourself!
I'm sure the help would be greatly appreciated.

Volunteer well that would hard since I still have not joined. I will wait and see. We are going to be at allot more local shows and that will be the acid test. I have been at meetings but most of what happens is pontificating and not real world.

For years getting the different factions to not hate each other in this state has been a battle we have talked about for years. One wonders if the groups really want victories becuase then they become pretty useless with NO wind mills to tilt at.


At the national level the NRA filed 4 briefs trying to stop Heller. If the NRA actually won to much  membership would drop off. Wayne LaPierre and Chris W. Cox wouldn't have the cash for their 200 dollar dress shirts anymore.

Just one mans opinion.

[mikew]

panzermk2 said:

Complete Jim Zumbo all the way.

Even got a nice couple minute rant about not needing "Guns like that" and he had a good laugh ripping on anyone who would own one.
[snip]
Didn't bother arguing or getting his name did not care.  This is also the reason Why I refuse to join the ISRA.

At the risk of raising the ire of you and Medula Oblongata again,
I'd like to politely and respectfully offer that you may have been at a different booth,
or that this conversation that you recall may have been from some NRA member in attendance,
but not staffing the ISRA booth.

It's my understanding that the ISRA raffled off a black rifle at their booth at this last NRA Annual Meeting.
Such a rifle would likely have been donated by one of the manufacturers in Illinois,
with whom the ISRA maintains healthy relationships.

Obviously it would counter-productive to try to sell the raffle tickets and slam the prospective winners at the same time...

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Heck our ILL. gun groups have been so successful downstate that the few gunmakers we had here have left or are leaving this state.

ISRA, through its lobbyists, legislative press releases and alerts that go out via email, is determined to prevent the manufacturers from leaving.
The resources of the ISRA are limited, yet the ISRA is very effective against the Chicago block and anti-gunners in Springfield
Of course, you know that your industry is now well represented through their own lobbyist in Illinois.  
But also know that he works together with the ISRA and NRA lobbyists when appropriate.

I thumb through the last two issues of the ISRA's quarterly journal, The Illinois Shooter,
and I see full page ads from the Illinois manufacturers of Black Rifles, even in the fall hunting issue.

Please, ask your peers in Illinois, the other manufacturers, about ISRA.

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For years getting the different factions to not hate each other in this state has been a battle we have talked about for years. One wonders if the groups really want victories becuase then they become pretty useless with NO wind mills to tilt at.

At the national level the NRA filed 4 briefs trying to stop Heller.

I'm unaware of any current warring factions.
The relations between the ISRA and other groups in this state has never been better.
Others in this forum will attest to that.

The ISRA is not the NRA, but is an affiliate.
The ISRA, together with many other state affiliates of the NRA, filed a brief in favor of Heller.
Following Heller, the ISRA and SAF have filed their own suit against
Chicago to overturn their municipal handgun ban.

[GarandFan]

panzermk2, on Nov 9 2008, 04:14 PM, said:

For years getting the different factions to not hate each other in this state has been a battle we have talked about for years. One wonders if the groups really want victories becuase then they become pretty useless with NO wind mills to tilt at.

You know, turning this on it's head, the futility and stupidity of that whole mess you mention above is satired beautifully in "The Life of Brian."  Really, it's hilarious when you think about how petty the differences are.  I realize this happens a lot in churches, but it happens with 2A and gun groups as well ... and it's a crying shame.



BRIAN:
Are you the Judean People's Front?
REG:
**** off!  Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front.
BRIAN:
Can I... join your group?
REG:
No. Piss off.
BRIAN:
Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already.
REG:
Listen. If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.
BRIAN:
I do!
REG:
Oh, yeah? How much?
BRIAN:
A lot!
REG:
Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the f***ing Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah...
JUDITH:
Splitters.
P.F.J.:
Splitters...
FRANCIS:
And the Judean Popular People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
LORETTA:
And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
REG:
What?
LORETTA:
The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG:
We're the People's Front of Judea!
LORETTA:
Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG:
People's Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS:
Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG:
He's over there.
P.F.J.:
Splitter!

[Chris]

So true Garand.

[Medula Oblongata]

Mike-

Here are the facts.

1.  I am not irate.  I don't appreciate the characterization, nor the inference that I am.  I was rationally and politely stating my postition.  That you disagree with them is your right; I disagree with your position.. or I would if you had actually stated one instead of issuing a press release that was heavy on rhetoric and light on substance.  What you effectively did was pull a Klinton; demanding that I define the meaning of 'is,' before you would address what 'is' is.  Never, in any of your responses, did you address my issues; instead you attacked either my character, memory, or completely obviscated the discussion by changing the subject.

2.  My memory is not faulty.  I was in fact at your booth at the convention.  I also spent $100.00 in raffle tickets on an M1A rifle; to which your representative there scoffed at "the necessity for such weapons in the hands of 'civilian' shooters," and who then proceeded to lecture both Jay and I over what his beliefs were on the Second Amendment, and in his words, on behalf of the ISRA.  Beliefs that inclulded carrying, in his words, "weapons particularily suited towards hunting and target shooting..but no 'civilian' should ever own a weapon designed for war."  And for what its worth, the rifle was manufactured by Springfield Armory.  I don't care what you have to say about 'who slammed who,' I was there, my memory isn't faulty, I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I wasn't at another booth, the opinion wasn't offered by another NRA show attendee, and I have no alternative motive.  What I heard I heard, what I saw I saw, and what was said was said.

3.  You can claim to maintain 'healthy relationships' with our 'peers,' but the fact remains that our contacts within the manufacturing community echo our thoughts and positions; that the ISRA is an orginazation that trips over its own phalice on a regular basis, and who is more suited to representing Fudds than the RKBA community.

Mike, I've tried to be nice with you; I've even given you the benefit of the doubt.  However your continued innuendo and refusal to address the issues leaves me with only one thought, and that is you will never address the issues presented and will continue to obviscate the situation.  Tis a pity.  

Whats more is that my partner has given you his phone number, in public (both of us publish our real names on this forum), for you to use if you have a problem or would like to discuss things in person; you've chosen to keep with attacking us semi-anonymously, instead of acting like an adult and telephoning to us in person.  Honestly, you need to grow a pair and pick up that 200lb phone.

[Kenny]

OK guys enough is enough. We are all on the same team. I think you need to kiss & make   up or ignore each other have this tiff in PM's we don't need this on the main board so trolls can see that we are divided because we aren't and even though we disagree once in a while we are all fighting for the same cause.

[mikew]

Medula Oblongata, on Nov 9 2008, 10:42 PM, said:

[snip]
2.  My memory is not faulty.  I was in fact at your booth at the convention.  I also spent $100.00 in raffle tickets on an M1A rifle; to which your representative there scoffed at "the necessity for such weapons in the hands of 'civilian' shooters," and who then proceeded to lecture both Jay and I over what his beliefs were on the Second Amendment, and in his words, on behalf of the ISRA.  Beliefs that inclulded carrying, in his words, "weapons particularily suited towards hunting and target shooting..but no 'civilian' should ever own a weapon designed for war."  And for what its worth, the rifle was manufactured by Springfield Armory.  I don't care what you have to say about 'who slammed who,' I was there, my memory isn't faulty, I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I wasn't at another booth, the opinion wasn't offered by another NRA show attendee, and I have no alternative motive.  What I heard I heard, what I saw I saw, and what was said was said.
[/snip]

I received a better description, and yes, your memory is spot on.
I can only say that I'm sorry that the ISRA had a person like that in the booth,
I'm sorry that I thought you and your partner were anything less than spot on.

I'd love to make sure that the person you encountered never represents the ISRA again.
I spend too much time working for gun rights in Illinois to have to put up with any nonsense like that.

Yes, I'll be picking up that phone.

Mike Weisman.

[Kenny]

Call em right now mike see if they are awake.

[Buzzard]

Another happy ending.

Now, let's really make things rough on the anti's this week.

[mikew]

Buzzard, on Nov 10 2008, 06:23 AM, said:

Another happy ending.

Now, let's really make things rough on the anti's this week.

Hmm, yes.

It's Time for Illinois to Adopt License to Carry.

[Ol'Coach]

LTC...LTC...LTC...LTC

[Buzzard]

On a positive note, I would again like to thank mikew and the ISRA for coming to the Ogle County Town Hall Meeting on very short notice and making it a success. And when License to Carry (LTC) does become law in Illinois, I'm sure the ISRA will have played a substancial role in it's passing.

[Lou]

This is from one of our favorite photographers and is on topic.

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[templar223]

We're all working towards the Right-to-Carry goal:  ISRA, NRA, GSL, Illinois Carry and plenty of others.

I'm sorry to hear Medula had a bad interaction at the NRA convention with one of ISRA's people.  

I wouldn't be pleased if some civil rights leadership told me that military-style guns have no place in civilians hands, but I've personally never heard that articulated from any of ISRA's current or former officers or directors.

To the ISRA's credit, they have been working aggressively towards RTC in IL and beating back all sorts of evil legislation in the General Assembly.

John