You are correct. In addition, some open carry states do not require a license or permit and have no training requirements. In those states, to my knowledge, the kinds of problems anticipated by the Rockford police officer just don't occur. All of this belies the idea that extensive training and education must be a prerequisite to concealed or open carry in Illinois.
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Serious (and limited) discussion about CCW in Winn. Cty
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Posted 23 June 2008 - 11:44 AM
It would be interesting to know how seriously LEO David Watson takes training. Does he train on a regular basis or just before his annual qualification with his handgun? Its nice to know he had to take a battery of tests and all. Three cops locally were arrested for assaulting a guy at his house. Two of them I have heard were found guilty of assault, one one of those (maybe 2) of mob action. Don't think these former, qualified and trained law enforcement officers will ever be carrying again.
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Remember the 1991 Luby Cafeteria Massacre of the Unarmed (Kileen, Texas before Texas Concealed Carry) Do we need 23 people to die in a similar incident before we're allowed effective self defense?
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
Remember the 1991 Luby Cafeteria Massacre of the Unarmed (Kileen, Texas before Texas Concealed Carry) Do we need 23 people to die in a similar incident before we're allowed effective self defense?
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
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Posted 23 June 2008 - 12:11 PM
Strange. When I read that letter, an image of the old "puff and tower" routine flashed through my head. (That's where a guy (usually) tries to stand as tall as he can with his chest "puffed" out - thereby making himself seem more powerful and menacing.)
I'm 5'1" and for some reason guys seem to feel it's important to do that in my presense - as if being (generally) a half to whole foot taller than me isn't enough. Go figure!)
I'm 5'1" and for some reason guys seem to feel it's important to do that in my presense - as if being (generally) a half to whole foot taller than me isn't enough. Go figure!)
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:24 AM
Thank you all for replying.
LOCKMAN -- THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. Lockman's post, refering to:
Thank you! I had forgotten about this silly statute (I've only heard of one circumstance where it was enforced). This, and more stuff like it, is exactly what will help this county resolution.
As for the fellow who suggested we move all discussion into one giant thread. Perhaps that's easier for you, but for me it's easier to have multiple threads and have discussion organized based upon topic. It was for this reason that the Winn. County sub-forum was created in the first place. No need to create a sub-forum if we're to have all discussion in one gigundous thread 100 pages long. Personally, I find it EXTREMELY difficult to follow those types of threads.
Anyways, back to the discussion at hand. If we could move more in the direction that lockman went, I would really appreciate it. I think we would accomplish more this way. Lockman -- great job! As for us not being lawyers -- that is unimportant. The only difference between us and lawyers are a membership to a private organization (the BAR association). Woopty-do. Many lawyers didn't even go to law school, they simply took the exam. Anyone can read the laws, and then apply "case law" to them. Law is written for the average person, not for lawyers. This is a fundamental concept that is often forgotten.
So let's get to work on OUR law
LOCKMAN -- THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. Lockman's post, refering to:
"lockman" said:
Under (720 ILCS 5/21-6) Sec. 21-6. Unauthorized Possession or Storage of Weapons. The Sheriff would be the one who can give permission to have weapons on county land and buildings. His "CCW" permit is a codified written permission to such autorization.
But either way if he issues the permits, he gets sued. If he does not issue the permits, he gets sued. I think the whole point is to open the question to public debate in the legislative chambers of the county board and if passed into the courts. Civil rights can not lose. We either move forward or we stay in place.
But either way if he issues the permits, he gets sued. If he does not issue the permits, he gets sued. I think the whole point is to open the question to public debate in the legislative chambers of the county board and if passed into the courts. Civil rights can not lose. We either move forward or we stay in place.
Thank you! I had forgotten about this silly statute (I've only heard of one circumstance where it was enforced). This, and more stuff like it, is exactly what will help this county resolution.
As for the fellow who suggested we move all discussion into one giant thread. Perhaps that's easier for you, but for me it's easier to have multiple threads and have discussion organized based upon topic. It was for this reason that the Winn. County sub-forum was created in the first place. No need to create a sub-forum if we're to have all discussion in one gigundous thread 100 pages long. Personally, I find it EXTREMELY difficult to follow those types of threads.
Anyways, back to the discussion at hand. If we could move more in the direction that lockman went, I would really appreciate it. I think we would accomplish more this way. Lockman -- great job! As for us not being lawyers -- that is unimportant. The only difference between us and lawyers are a membership to a private organization (the BAR association). Woopty-do. Many lawyers didn't even go to law school, they simply took the exam. Anyone can read the laws, and then apply "case law" to them. Law is written for the average person, not for lawyers. This is a fundamental concept that is often forgotten.
So let's get to work on OUR law
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 11:14 AM
flagtag, on Jun 23 2008, 01:11 PM, said:
Strange. When I read that letter, an image of the old "puff and tower" routine flashed through my head. (That's where a guy (usually) tries to stand as tall as he can with his chest "puffed" out - thereby making himself seem more powerful and menacing.)
I'm 5'1" and for some reason guys seem to feel it's important to do that in my presense - as if being (generally) a half to whole foot taller than me isn't enough. Go figure!)
I'm 5'1" and for some reason guys seem to feel it's important to do that in my presense - as if being (generally) a half to whole foot taller than me isn't enough. Go figure!)
Disarming the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason
Remember the 1991 Luby Cafeteria Massacre of the Unarmed (Kileen, Texas before Texas Concealed Carry) Do we need 23 people to die in a similar incident before we're allowed effective self defense?
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
Remember the 1991 Luby Cafeteria Massacre of the Unarmed (Kileen, Texas before Texas Concealed Carry) Do we need 23 people to die in a similar incident before we're allowed effective self defense?
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 12:06 PM
junglebob, on Jun 24 2008, 12:14 PM, said:
flagtag, on Jun 23 2008, 01:11 PM, said:
Strange. When I read that letter, an image of the old "puff and tower" routine flashed through my head. (That's where a guy (usually) tries to stand as tall as he can with his chest "puffed" out - thereby making himself seem more powerful and menacing.)
I'm 5'1" and for some reason guys seem to feel it's important to do that in my presense - as if being (generally) a half to whole foot taller than me isn't enough. Go figure!)
I'm 5'1" and for some reason guys seem to feel it's important to do that in my presense - as if being (generally) a half to whole foot taller than me isn't enough. Go figure!)
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