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[speedracer815]

Hey Everybody,
I just wanted to let you all know I'm still around, I just got really busy and I'm leaving for 2 weeks of vacation Saturday. So unfortunately I won't be able to have my voice heard at the next meeting. Keep up the good fight, and I'll touch base when I return.

PS.
I LOVE that commercial. Very tasteful and to the point. What credentials does an organization need to put their name on it? Do they have to be a registered non-profit or political group? Would "Paid for by IllinoisCarry.com" qualify?

[Slappy]

Fred,

It was good meeting you on tuesday. I was the big guy in the blue shirt with long hair.

I will you on Tuesday and will hopefully be bringing some reinforcements myself! We're going to get this passed, I know it!

[cberan]

Board9, on Jun 5 2008, 08:26 AM, said:

cberan, on Jun 5 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

Board9, on Jun 5 2008, 07:35 AM, said:

This is a wonderful opportunity for all the political's to meet the people that we work for. I for one look forward to meeting and shaking hands to each and every one of you. If I happen to miss anyone, please make a point to track me down.

We need more people in politics like you Fred.  Thank You for everything you are doing, its a great service to your county and this state.  I live in Ogle county and am hoping if it passes in one county it will just spread like wild fire.  

Like I said, I will be showing up to the meeting with a car load full of people.

Thank you so much for your encouraging words, with your permission, I would like to use your statement in my up coming campaign to retain my seat. Your county board should take the same resolution to the floor and do the same thing. Once that happens then another will do it and so on...the effect will make those in Springfield take notice.

By all means Fred use anything you can from me.  Again thank you for everything and will see you on Tuesday.

[Board9]

Slappy, on Jun 5 2008, 01:54 PM, said:

Fred,

It was good meeting you on tuesday. I was the big guy in the blue shirt with long hair.

I will you on Tuesday and will hopefully be bringing some reinforcements myself! We're going to get this passed, I know it!

I look forward to seeing you again....make sure yo look me up when you get here.
Fred

[Kenny]

OK everyone I am preparing for Tue. and any interviews they may do. SO Somewhere there is a statistic about how a CC permit holder is 19 times less likely to comit a crime than a police officer. Does anyone have that stat readily available I know it is probably in gun facts but I am trying to get a bunch of buttons made. I would like the stat & the source of the info if possible. Thanks.

[Chris]

polhms1, on Jun 6 2008, 06:05 AM, said:

OK everyone I am preparing for Tue. and any interviews they may do. SO Somewhere there is a statistic about how a CC permit holder is 19 times less likely to comit a crime than a police officer. Does anyone have that stat readily available I know it is probably in gun facts but I am trying to get a bunch of buttons made. I would like the stat & the source of the info if possible. Thanks.

I'm trying to find it, there was a study that was released by Texas I believe where they screwed up their data and it came out wrong. They then corrected it but the brady group still refers to it as being true.

[Chris]

I'm still looking for another one I saw but here is page 10 from Gun Facts

Myth: Texas CCW holders are arrested 66% more often
Fact: Most arrests cited are not any form of violent crime (includes bounced checks or tax delinquency). 13

Fact: The VPC "study" only includes arrests, not convictions.

Fact: Many of these arrests in this premature VPC "study" came in the early years of Texas CCWs when the law was not understood by most of the law enforcement community or prosecutors.

Fact: Compared to the entire population, Texas CCW holders are about 7.6 times less likely to be arrested of a violent crime.14 The numbers breakdown as follows:
• 214,000 CCW holders15
• 526 (0.2%) felony arrests of CCW holders that have been adjudicated
• 100 (0.05%) felony convictions

[junglebob]

Big Chris, on Jun 6 2008, 07:41 AM, said:

polhms1, on Jun 6 2008, 06:05 AM, said:

OK everyone I am preparing for Tue. and any interviews they may do. SO Somewhere there is a statistic about how a CC permit holder is 19 times less likely to comit a crime than a police officer. Does anyone have that stat readily available I know it is probably in gun facts but I am trying to get a bunch of buttons made. I would like the stat & the source of the info if possible. Thanks.

I'm trying to find it, there was a study that was released by Texas I believe where they screwed up their data and it came out wrong. They then corrected it but the brady group still refers to it as being true.

Even if the 19 times figure is true, it might be best not to use it.  It might lose us some support with law enforcement.  I've been reading the 5 to 7 times less likely for a CCW license holder to commit a crime than a non-holder, that would be a statistic that would be better to use.  I can't find a reference to where that figure comes from.

I was looking at the book "More Guns Less Crime" and here are some figures they give for revolcation in different states.

Alaska, Of the permits issued from January 1, 1995 to August17, 1999, only .3% were revolked for any reason. None involved the firing of a gun. (Based an a call with the Alaska bureau responsible for issuing CCW permits)

Arizona, Of the permits issued between the end of the fall of 1994 and July 31, 1999 .1% were revolked though up to one half of these were revolcations for "administrative reasons" (such as people dying or saying that they no longer required the permit)(source Lt. Bill Whalen, Arizona Department of Public Safety)

Florida, of the permits issued during October 1, 1987, to February 28, 1999 .2% were revolked for any reason. Of these, 113, or .02% were revolked for any type of firearms-related violations, and almost all of these were nonthreatening.
Apparently there was a Florida state website that had this info.  I went to the URL but I got Internet Explorer unable to display.  The URL listed licgweb.dos.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.html     If a reference to this can be found on a Florida state website it would be very useful.   What better thing than a state website to send someone to to verify the statistics you give them.  

Here is an interesting quote by Doug Weil "Between 1996 and 1997 Texas experienced a 54% increase in the number of concealed carry permit holders arrested.  This was mentioned in More Guns Less Crime!.   Shocking isn't it!  The author agrees that the figure is correct.  It's "The Wild West in Texas" right?   No the author goes on to mention that the number of permit holders went up 50% during that time making the rate at which the permit holders were arrested virtually unchanged.

I came across a quote by some anti that there were something like 25,000? firearm homicides in the U.S. (Figure may have been higher, can't kind the quote)  He said only something like 225 or 250 were justifiable homicide by a concealed carry permit holder.  I don't know the number of homicides by permit holders that weren't justifiable homicide, it would be interesting to compare the number as I imagine it is a very small % of the 25,000.  This can just show that permit holders don't fire their handgun in just any provocation and aren't the problem.  
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I came across an interesting quote by W. Emerson Wright

No law ever written has stopped any robber, rapist or killer, like cold blue steel in the hands of their last intended victim.

[Kenny]

this ran in the Rockford Register Star today. Link

RRSTAR.COM
Posted Jun 04, 2008 @ 07:02 PM

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In response to Mark Kiltz’ letter, “Too immature for guns” (Your Views, May 24). This same cry always precedes the passing of legislation that allow citizens to carry concealed weapons.

It never happens. A concealed carry permit holder has never killed a police officer. There is no known case where a permit holder committed a crime while carrying.

When Florida passed its law, there were cries that Florida would turn into the “Gunshine State,” that every little traffic altercation would turn into The Wild West with guns blazing; that dead bodies strewn about as vigilantes would take the law into their own hands.

This scenario is predicted every time concealed carry laws are considered. Yet, it never happens — ever.

One thing, however, always happens after concealed carry laws are adopted: reduced violent crime, break-ins and sexual predation. If the law is passed, and you choose not to carry, you still benefit from your neighbors who do.

If you were a police officer, wouldn’t you rather have the intended victim point at a lifeless body and say, “It was him”? My wife doesn’t have that choice; it has been made for her by our Legislature.

— Scott A. Olson, Rockford

[Kenny]

Winnebago County Concealed Carry Petition Please sign it & send it to everyone you know & post on other websites Lets get as many as we can because this will also be sent to Springfield with the resolution.

[SAK]

I keep getting this from the petition

Message[21781]: This petition request is invalid. Please try again ...

[Kenny]

SAK, on Jun 6 2008, 02:06 PM, said:

I keep getting this from the petition

Message[21781]: This petition request is invalid. Please try again ...

Try again I just got it up & it took a minute to go then I was making some changes to it

[SAK]

still not working

Kenny, do you  have AIM or something?

[Slappy]

SAK, on Jun 6 2008, 02:06 PM, said:

I keep getting this from the petition

Message[21781]: This petition request is invalid. Please try again ...

Its working fine for me...

Using Mozilla Firefox...

[SAK]

I think he was still working on it at the time, or the website was updating.  It works fine now, and I signed it.

P.S. -- don't you live IN Chicago city limits, slappy, or am I mistaken

[Mr. Runyon]

(A2) Does the Federal Government issue a license or permit to carry a concealed weapon?


No. Neither ATF nor any other Federal agency issues such a permit or license. Carrying permits may be issued by a State or local government.


This was taken from the ATF's website. Thought some of you might like to know how they stand on this issue.

[Slappy]

SAK, on Jun 6 2008, 04:08 PM, said:

I think he was still working on it at the time, or the website was updating.  It works fine now, and I signed it.

P.S. -- don't you live IN Chicago city limits, slappy, or am I mistaken

I live in Cook County, next door to Chicago proper...  need me to pick up some souvenirs or something for you, next time im in the loop?  

[SAK]

ah ok, just checking.

Know any gun owners in the city itself?  I need some Chicago city gun owners.

[Slappy]

SAK, on Jun 6 2008, 05:01 PM, said:

ah ok, just checking.

Know any gun owners in the city itself?  I need some Chicago city gun owners.

All my friends actually in Chicago are actually AFRAID to own guns... really...


and that says all you need to know about that city...

[Buzzard]

Slappy, on Jun 6 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

All my friends actually in Chicago are actually AFRAID to own guns... really...

Just for clarification....

They are afraid of the guns, or afraid to own?

[Slappy]

Buzzard, on Jun 6 2008, 10:34 PM, said:

Just for clarification....

They are afraid of the guns, or afraid to own?

afraid to own... most have enjoyed range time with me and would own if it wasnt for insane handgun laws... they are more afraid of the CPD than they are criminals and I suspect thats just how Daley likes it...

[Kenny]

I am just wondering how many people to expect from Illinoiscarry.com on Tuesday evening. If anyone wants to come to my house & ride with me I will be leaving my house just after 4:00 that gives me time to get there, park, and hand out buttons to everyone that shows up. I can take 8 people in my Armada if there are any more than that people can follow me. The meeting is at Memorial Hall in rockford at 5:30 I would hope everyone could be there by 5:00 mabye standing outside (if it's not raining) Lets draw some attention to all of us good people. I know I probably don't have to saythis but one of the board members wanted me to mention it. Please if someone speaks out against it PLEASE let them speak & do not interupt them no matter how absurd what they say is. Shaking heads is ok but DO NOT INTERUPT or speak up without permission all it takes is one outburst to make us look bad

[flagtag]

Slappy, on Jun 6 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

SAK, on Jun 6 2008, 05:01 PM, said:

ah ok, just checking.

Know any gun owners in the city itself?  I need some Chicago city gun owners.

All my friends actually in Chicago are actually AFRAID to own guns... really...


and that says all you need to know about that city...

Ok, just because they are afraid to OWN guns, does that mean they are also afraid to SUPPORT our RIGHTS?  (One doesn't need to own a gun to support gun rights)

[MWG321]

I'm in Chicago, I own firearms, and am not afraid of them.  I've been converting people one by one and giving them this website as well as many others(chicago citizens to clarify).  I'm thinking of putting some flyers in people's mailboxes or railings(sort of like the pizza places do) with your flyers as well.  Sound good? Any suggestions?

[Tere Dunlap]

This is my approach when I talk to those frightened by guns or CCW laws:  "You do not have to carry, or even own. Just stand behind me (and my guns). I will do my dangest to protect you."
And to those who know me well, I ask,"Why are you afraid of ME carrying a gun? Do you not trust me?" (Normally they HAVE to say, no; or I challenge them to explain why this little, loving, 5'2" lady, with three years military training, scares them.)
It's changing or challenging one person at a time. Most of those who are afraid of guns are not thinking "individuals they know;" they are thinking "violent gangs and murderers." We have to change the image of gun owners.
WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS!

flagtag, on Jun 8 2008, 02:02 PM, said:

Slappy, on Jun 6 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

SAK, on Jun 6 2008, 05:01 PM, said:

ah ok, just checking.

Know any gun owners in the city itself?  I need some Chicago city gun owners.

All my friends actually in Chicago are actually AFRAID to own guns... really...
and that says all you need to know about that city...

Ok, just because they are afraid to OWN guns, does that mean they are also afraid to SUPPORT our RIGHTS?  (One doesn't need to own a gun to support gun rights)

[Gooch]

polhms1, on Jun 8 2008, 12:54 PM, said:

I am just wondering how many people to expect from Illinoiscarry.com on Tuesday evening. If anyone wants to come to my house & ride with me I will be leaving my house just after 4:00 that gives me time to get there, park, and hand out buttons to everyone that shows up. I can take 8 people in my Armada if there are any more than that people can follow me. The meeting is at Memorial Hall in rockford at 5:30 I would hope everyone could be there by 5:00 mabye standing outside (if it's not raining) Lets draw some attention to all of us good people. I know I probably don't have to saythis but one of the board members wanted me to mention it. Please if someone speaks out against it PLEASE let them speak & do not interupt them no matter how absurd what they say is. Shaking heads is ok but DO NOT INTERUPT or speak up without permission all it takes is one outburst to make us look bad

Hey Kenny,

[Gooch]

polhms1, on Jun 8 2008, 12:54 PM, said:

I am just wondering how many people to expect from Illinoiscarry.com on Tuesday evening. If anyone wants to come to my house & ride with me I will be leaving my house just after 4:00 that gives me time to get there, park, and hand out buttons to everyone that shows up. I can take 8 people in my Armada if there are any more than that people can follow me. The meeting is at Memorial Hall in rockford at 5:30 I would hope everyone could be there by 5:00 mabye standing outside (if it's not raining) Lets draw some attention to all of us good people. I know I probably don't have to saythis but one of the board members wanted me to mention it. Please if someone speaks out against it PLEASE let them speak & do not interupt them no matter how absurd what they say is. Shaking heads is ok but DO NOT INTERUPT or speak up without permission all it takes is one outburst to make us look bad

Hey Kenny,

         I will be there @ 5pm. I would like to get a few buttons and throw you a few bucks for everything you've done. Where should I expect to find you?

Gooch

[Tere Dunlap]

MWG321, on Jun 8 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

I'm in Chicago, I own firearms, and am not afraid of them.  I've been converting people one by one and giving them this website as well as many others(chicago citizens to clarify).  I'm thinking of putting some flyers in people's mailboxes or railings(sort of like the pizza places do) with your flyers as well.  Sound good? Any suggestions?

Official mailboxes, NO!  That's a federal offense. Newspaper boxes are ok.  Door knob, or stuck between the door and the frames are ok too

[Board9]

Tere Dunlap, on Jun 8 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

MWG321, on Jun 8 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

I'm in Chicago, I own firearms, and am not afraid of them.  I've been converting people one by one and giving them this website as well as many others(chicago citizens to clarify).  I'm thinking of putting some flyers in people's mailboxes or railings(sort of like the pizza places do) with your flyers as well.  Sound good? Any suggestions?

Official mailboxes, NO!  That's a federal offense. Newspaper boxes are ok.  Door knob, or stuck between the door and the frames are ok too

Good Call Tere!!!!! We need everyone to do what will keep the attention on the positive and not by reporting that someone stuck a flyer in a mailbox.

[Board9]

Don't forget to listen to WNTA 1330am radio on June 9th from 5:00pm to 6:00pm. I will be on live discussing the Concealed Carry Resolution and debating the shows host. If you are not able to be near a radio, go to www.wnta.com and listen to us live streaming and please call in. The number is 815-874-8255
Fred S. Wescott
Winnebago County Board
District 9
www.FREDWESCOTT.com
CAP...Conceal And Protect