skinnyb82 Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:27 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:27 PM Todd suggested I start a thread. The opinion should be out soon. If it's over 4 pages we've got problems. Over 8 and we're screwed. Just listen to this, I had to so you better too *grin*. Just listen to Posner's ego take over. http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/sound/external/sp.13-2661.13-2661_10_03_2013.mp3 Sent from my SCH-R530U using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper13 Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:31 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:31 PM Thanks for the post. Listening now..here we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:33 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:33 PM I think we're screwed. And that's only after the first few minutes of listening to Posner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:34 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:34 PM 6 words, 6 friggin words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:36 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:36 PM Good Lord, I think we are really screwed What don't they understand about a constitutional, fundamental right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miztic Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:36 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:36 PM Just curious, how does the length of the opinion screw us harder?I expect a 1 page flat out denial "get outta here" type opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:41 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:41 PM Just curious, how does the length of the opinion screw us harder?I expect a 1 page flat out denial "get outta here" type opinion. That's what I don't get... How screwed can we get here worse than "wait for the permits" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:41 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:41 PM Glad I'm not a lawyer, cause I would have told the judge to STFU and then you guys would be bailing me out of jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt-45 Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:42 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:42 PM i couldn't lesson after about three mins so, i know how this is going to turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:44 PM Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:44 PM On behalf of Todd, his over/under is 4 pages. If it's 4 pages, then we're fine. If more than 8, we're screwed in a bad way. Sent from my SCH-R530U using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt-45 Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:44 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:44 PM did the judge just say that the state can take as long as they want? WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:48 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:48 PM What do you mean screwed? He have the law. Are you saying that they would basically endorse the state to take as long as they want to implement it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largefarva Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:50 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:50 PM I made it about 5 minutes before I had to turn it off. Wow is all I can say. Not looking good for us at all. I'm sure the state just got the green light to drag their feet as long as they feel like because he just gave them permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:50 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:50 PM What do you mean screwed? He have the law. Are you saying that they would basically endorse the state to take as long as they want to implement it? That's the way I heard it. So, if the state decided it would take five years to implement the carry process, well, OH WELL !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:51 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:51 PM Got it. Guess I didn't expect any less than for the state to take as long as they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpearson Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:54 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:54 PM Thanks skinny any guess when to.expect opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobapunk Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:58 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 09:58 PM They can't take 5 years... The FCCA gave them a finite amount of time... Sent from my SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RINGKINGS Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:00 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:00 PM Sounds like Posner has Pre Judged this....... he does not even let Thomas finish his thought and is essentially acting as the attorney for the state........apparently just being a judge is an automatic license to be rude and prejudiced.......the IL states attorney could stay home on this one, Posner is doing their work for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:00 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:00 PM With no penalty for non-compliance, like the FOID system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:01 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:01 PM Stick a fork in it. This case is done. We're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:03 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:03 PM They can't take 5 years... The FCCA gave them a finite amount of time... And the FOID card law requires 30 days issuance. And look at how things are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googe1227 Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:08 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:08 PM They can't take 5 years... The FCCA gave them a finite amount of time... Sent from my SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 4True. But no penalties if they fail. Just like 30 days to issue FOID. What do they care? You get the jist from the audio but it was much worse to actually be there. ETA crap, everybody beat me to my first sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonOglesby - Now in Texas Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:19 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:19 PM "Today Mary Shepard suffers the same"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplant Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:22 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:22 PM On behalf of Todd, his over/under is 4 pages. If it's 4 pages, then we're fine. If more than 8, we're screwed in a bad way. Sent from my SCH-R530U using Tapatalk 2 Todd thinks that if it's under 4 pages, it will be short, and won't change the situation much. If it's over 4 pages, then the majority opinion may have a lot more detail and set precedent that we won't like. The additional precedent(s) being set is the big danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonOglesby - Now in Texas Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:22 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:22 PM Not sure why they even heard it, if this was the point. Why not just not accept their appeal and let the moot ruling stand? This is why the legal system here confounds so many in this country. I mean if you are a judge and believe that they lower courts ruled properly (and not just properly, but so properly you dont let the lawyer speak) why even take the appeal. Very strange. Totally sounds like the mind was already made up, why even bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:29 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:29 PM That was maddening to listen to. How did you guys restrain yourselves?! While Posner's legal reasoning could be spot on, he was just plain rude. Thompson got cut off every time he spoke. That was very unprofessional of Posner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadroid Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:30 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:30 PM Whelp, time to move I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:39 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:39 PM I like the way the judge is trying to get to the meat of the issue, rather than beating around the bush. The judge is right that the mandate was for the state to change the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplant Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:51 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 10:51 PM The biggest problem with the way things went today, IMHO, is that prior to today, the state and the city may have been somewhat afraid of how things could potentially go for them in court. For example, look how the SAs are reluctant with UUW. After Posner laid into our attorney, the attorney representing the state strutted up to the podium, took a fraction of his allotted time, and sat down, with total confidence. That confidence is going to be seen in the future behavior of the state and of northern municipalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awan Posted October 3, 2013 at 11:03 PM Share Posted October 3, 2013 at 11:03 PM You can hear the Chicago anti-gun tone in the judges' statements. Was one comparing constitutional carry to being a cop and having similar training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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