SmershAgent Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:14 AM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:14 AM There are 59 members in the Senate right now. Twenty are 'green'. Six are 'yellow'. We need to add four more to that total to kill this bill in the Senate. I suspect the main initiative from the other side is in the Senate this year (whereas last time 2414 was a House bill) because they have a better looking majority on paper in that chamber. I believe it would be prudent to assume that every orange and pink member will vote against us. That leaves the eleven new members to decide the bill's fate: Dan Kotowski (D-33) is sponsoring not only SB0016, but several other anti-gun bills. John Millner (R-28) served in the House from 2003-2005 and was one pro-gun vote away from being classified as green. He is probably apt to help us. Mike Frerichs (D-52) met with the GSL group a couple of months ago. My understanding of that meeting is that he at least claimed he would support gun owners and left a generally positive impression. William Delgado (D-2) is another import from the House. He has a long, proud history of supporting anti gun bills in that chamber. Randall Hultgren (R-48) also served as a Representative for 8 years. His 2005 voting record was nearly blemish free, and it's a safe bet he'll oppose an AWB. Based upon what we know about these five, we can likely count on 2 -3 votes against SB0016. In theory, that means that of the six remaining new members, we must convince 1 - 2 of them of the merits of our position. If all of the green and yellow Senators vote like they're supposed to, we win. I propose that in addition to contacting your own Senator (which we should all be doing all the time regardless), everyone focus heavily on the new Senators (except the handful who are strongly established as being against us). It is probably best to begin by writing letters. If it appears a vote on SB0016 is imminent, then the time will come to deluge their offices with calls. Michael BondM121 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-7353 1156 E. Washington St.Grayslake, IL 60030(847) 752-7004 Michael Frerichs CONFIRMED NO on SB 016 118 State HouseSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-2507 45 E. University Ave.Suite 206Champaign, IL 61820(217) 355-5252 Linda HolmesM122 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-0422 13300 S. Rt. 59# 2B-1Plainfield, IL 60544(815) 609-3711 Randall HultgrenM103A Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-8022 P.O. Box 567Wheaton, IL 60189(630) 682-8100 Mike Jacobs CONFIRMED NO on SB 016 M120 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-5957 606 19th StreetMoline, IL 61265(309) 797-0001 David Koehler CONFIRMED NO on SB 016 311 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-8250 333 Margaret StreetPekin, IL 61554(309) 642-3636 John Millner CONFIRMED NO on SB 016 105C State CapitalSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-8192 290 Springfield Drive,Ste 225Bloomingdale, IL 60108(630) 351-9340 Matt MurphyM103E Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-4471 Palatine Centre Atrium Offices17 E. Northwest Hwy. - Suite 4Palatine, IL 60067(847) 776-1490 Michael NolandM115 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-7746 Tower Building100 E. Chicago Street, Ste. 302Elgin, IL 60120(847) 214-8864 Additionally, I think it would behoove us to give the six yellow-rated Senators a reminder. <span style='color:yellow'>Pamela Althoff</span> CONFIRMED NO on SB 016 M103C Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-8000 One North Virginia StreetCrystal Lake, IL 60014(815) 455-6330 <span style='color:yellow'>Dan Cronin</span> CONFIRMED NO on SB 016 309G Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-8107 313 South Main StLombard, IL 60148(630) 792-0040 <span style='color:yellow'>Kirk Dillard</span> CONFIRMED <span style='color:green'>NO</span> on SB 016 309C Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-8148 One South Cass AvenueSuite 201Westmont, IL 60559(630) 969-0990 <span style='color:yellow'>Carole Pankau</span>105K Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-9463 One Tiffany PointSuite GBloomingdale, IL 60108(630) 582-0390 <span style='color:yellow'>William Peterson </span> CONFIRMED <span style='color:green'>NO</span> on SB 016 309F Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-8010 3050 North Main StreetBuffalo Grove, IL 60089(847) 634-6060 <span style='color:yellow'>Christine Radogno</span> CONFIRMED <span style='color:green'>NO</span> on SB 016 309D Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217) 782-9407 410 Main StreetLemont, IL 60439(630) 243-0800 If you live in any of these districts and see your Senator listed above, then it is essential that in addition to a letter and a phone call, you arrange an appointment to speak with the individual in person at his or her office. Doing so will make a positive difference. The activities I've outlined entail making 15 phone calls, writing a letter and signing it 15 times, and $5.85 in postage. If we aren't willing to do this, then we deserve whatever the Senate decides to inflict upon us. Who's with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaster Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:31 AM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:31 AM I will try to contact the new Senators tomorrow by phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocellairs Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:37 AM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:37 AM What are the chances of the bill not getting pass the house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45superman Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:38 AM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:38 AM I'm in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocellairs Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:44 AM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:44 AM I've already send a fax to her, can't say here what it said. ...but it was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol'Coach Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:54 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 03:54 PM What about Sen Deanne Demuzio?Senator Deanna Demuzio (D)49th District Springfield Office: Senator 49th District M106 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8206 District Office: 140 Carlinville Plaza Carlinville, IL 62626 (217) 854-4441 (217) 854-5311 FAX In a conversation I had with her a month or so ago, she sounded as though she supported us. She talked about the Southern Illinois caucus, among other things. I called her office yesterday, the office sec was out, did not return my call. I am trying again this A.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ops144 Posted March 7, 2007 at 04:00 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 04:00 PM I've already send a fax to her, can't say here what it said. ...but it was good. how come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocellairs Posted March 7, 2007 at 04:49 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 04:49 PM I've already send a fax to her, can't say here what it said. ...but it was good.how come? ...by my choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45superman Posted March 7, 2007 at 06:54 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 06:54 PM It's scheduled for a second reading tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocellairs Posted March 7, 2007 at 07:44 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 07:44 PM It's scheduled for a second reading tomorrow. They are going to have this said, done, pack away, shipped out....by the time IGOLD takes place. Watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol'Coach Posted March 7, 2007 at 07:45 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 07:45 PM Then we'll focus on the reps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocellairs Posted March 7, 2007 at 08:10 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 08:10 PM Then we'll focus on the reps! I suspect it to even be out of the house by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmershAgent Posted March 7, 2007 at 08:11 PM Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 08:11 PM I don't believe it will clear either chamber in the next 8 days. The other side is lobbying and scrounging to get the votes they need - just like we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 7, 2007 at 09:01 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 09:01 PM I noticed the committee vote was 8-2. Any way to see who votes which way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45superman Posted March 7, 2007 at 09:44 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 09:44 PM I noticed the committee vote was 8-2. Any way to see who votes which way?Not yet (if ever--I can't remember if they ever publish committee votes). Made my calls. Maybe I should have done it earlier in the day (I did it just after 1:00)--maybe I would have gotten more live people, and less voice mail. As it happened, this is how it broke down: Voice mail: 7Staffer answered, but made no commitment either way about Senator's vote: 6*Staffer answered, and said the Senator would definitely vote "No": 2 *Although Pankau's staffer didn't commit either way, she only let me get as far as "I'm calling to ask that Senator Pankau vote against . . . " Her: "Senate Bill 16?" Me: "That's the one--been getting a lot of calls against it?" Her: "Yeah--that one isn't very popular." Sounds as if some people are doing things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45superman Posted March 7, 2007 at 10:01 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 10:01 PM By the way, I also got voice mail at my Senator's (Bill Haine's) office, but I'm not worried about him--he'll never vote for a ban. I just left him a friendly reminder that his support for gun ownership is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymous too Posted March 7, 2007 at 10:13 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 10:13 PM How 'bout the Miller case? The Supreme Court ruled firearms could not be banned if they have a military purpose. An AR-15 is a civilian version of the military's M-16. Just something to think about. If this bill gets passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45superman Posted March 7, 2007 at 10:50 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 10:50 PM How 'bout the Miller case? The Supreme Court ruled firearms could not be banned if they have a military purpose. An AR-15 is a civilian version of the military's M-16. Just something to think about. If this bill gets passed. One would think that United States v. Miller would end the whole debate (and in our favor), but I guess the gamble of using a Second Amendment defense scares people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-rock Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:06 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:06 PM We should get it over with. Let them repel the 2nd. Lets hear the 4 horsemen ride!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:15 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:15 PM Not much feedback from my senator. VERY noncommital from my rep.I don't feel good about her.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you for your recent communication regarding AWB Bills. I will certainly take your views into consideration when the issue is presented in the House. Thanks for taking time to let me know your opinion. I invite your continued interest and input on matters that come before the Legislature. Patricia R. Bellock State Representative 47th District Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45superman Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:19 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:19 PM I agree--that's not especially encouraging. On the bright side, if we're persuasive enough with the Senate, the House won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilphil Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:20 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:20 PM I'm starting to get very concerned. My rep has always been decidedly Pro-2A, but she hasn't even replied to my message. Our new Senator is reputed to be an anti and I haven't gotten a response from him either. Time for the paranoia to kick into high gear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocellairs Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:45 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:45 PM ...well if you notice, there has been a change in tactics since last session. Playing cards are being held close to the chest, they don't want any leaks out till they got the ammo to plug them...it would seem they have the leaks plugged. ....crystal ball time....bill gets passed, only provision removed....registration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocellairs Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:47 PM Share Posted March 7, 2007 at 11:47 PM We should get it over with. Let them repel the 2nd. Lets hear the 4 horsemen ride!!! ...now we are on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarandFan Posted March 8, 2007 at 12:11 AM Share Posted March 8, 2007 at 12:11 AM From speaking to Bill Brady's office, he was one of the public health committee members who was committed to voting NO. 8 yes and 2 no. I am very disappointed. Will keep working on them. Freedom isn't free folks. Time to kick it into high gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack69 Posted March 8, 2007 at 01:30 AM Share Posted March 8, 2007 at 01:30 AM I'll hit Millner's offices again tomorrow...I thought that he was gonna go our way. Guess he needs some not so gentle reminders....he'll get them tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarandFan Posted March 8, 2007 at 02:23 AM Share Posted March 8, 2007 at 02:23 AM I just called Millner, and left a strong but very polite and heartfelt message in his office. We really need his NO vote! Please keep up the pressure folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocellairs Posted March 8, 2007 at 02:28 AM Share Posted March 8, 2007 at 02:28 AM With the election over, and two years to go till the next one no one is really worrying about how voting for the ban will impact them. The biggest majority have saw over the years that they are always voted back in office. So they don’t care what public opinion is on the matter. Molly brought up a good logical reasoning for this in one of her posts. It is the young grasshoppers to the political scene that can get nervous, but, they know that time is on their side and they can jump off the cliff with the old timers and it will be the old timers that will protect their ugly fat camel stinking arse’s in the election in 08. ...one other point that I have notice.. The racial make up of the co-sponsors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmershAgent Posted March 8, 2007 at 03:00 AM Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 at 03:00 AM Made my calls. Maybe I should have done it earlier in the day (I did it just after 1:00)--maybe I would have gotten more live people, and less voice mail. As it happened, this is how it broke down: Voice mail: 7Staffer answered, but made no commitment either way about Senator's vote: 6*Staffer answered, and said the Senator would definitely vote "No": 2 Who were the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45superman Posted March 8, 2007 at 03:12 AM Share Posted March 8, 2007 at 03:12 AM Who were the two? Frerichs and Peterson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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