G214me Posted March 13, 2018 at 05:14 PM Share Posted March 13, 2018 at 05:14 PM Only the single issue anti abortion people vote for that nutcase Ives.Really ? No other issues but abortion are why people are voting for the "nutcase" Ives ? Out of the many stupid comments you post this one takes the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted March 13, 2018 at 05:38 PM Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 at 05:38 PM Just vote your conscience in the PRIMARY, then support and vote for the Republican in the GENERAL election in November. That is, assuming you value your 2nd Amendment rights as well as what's in your wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vern Posted March 13, 2018 at 06:35 PM Share Posted March 13, 2018 at 06:35 PM Just vote your conscience in the PRIMARY, then support and vote for the Republican in the GENERAL election in November. That is, assuming you value your 2nd Amendment rights as well as what's in your wallet. my feelings as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigma Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:19 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:19 AM Just vote your conscience in the PRIMARY, then support and vote for the Republican in the GENERAL election in November. That is, assuming you value your 2nd Amendment rights as well as what's in your wallet. I hate that you are right because I wanted to vote for her to send Rauner a message but you have a point. Very well said. Vote for ever you want in the primary but vote Republican in November. I spent part of my day in Indiana buying some Magpul mags and a bunch of 5.56 and some .308 that was on sale. Today is the day that you KNOW Rauner WILL veto any garbage gun laws that hit his desk so that's a good thing. Just to amuse the Ives people, he will be the sitting Governor if any of the rest end up on his desk. If Ives were to win she wouldn't have a chance to veto them unless the Democrats smoke screen tactics put them off until next year. If she were to win then JBP would sign every one because that's a easy win for him. I don't see her winning at all but if she does she doesn't stand a chance against JBP. Regardless of other any issues, there isn't anybody on this board that honestly thinks she could win in the general election. Lets be honest with each other on this. JBP wins in a landslide against Ives, Rauner makes it a race.As a pro 2A forum, he proved that he is on our side today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted March 17, 2018 at 03:27 PM Share Posted March 17, 2018 at 03:27 PM Rauner became Governor with the help of Democrats unwilling to elect Quinn. He was an "acceptable" compromise. After seeing a TV ad this morning targeting Ives, if she wins the primary, she will be soundly defeated in the general election. Knowing not all ads present unbiased truth, there is one which says "Ives is too conservative for Illinois". You should take that to mean "Ives is too conservative for crossover Democrats who don't like Pritzker". My new strategy (as a D who doesn't like Pritzker and didn't like Quinn) is to pull a Republican ballot in the primary and vote for Rauner, rather than a D ballet to vote for a lesser D whom Rauner might have a better chance with. Be careful when voting your hearts. A soft 2A gatekeeper is better than leaving the gates open. Today is a good day for early voting in Chicago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 17, 2018 at 03:49 PM Share Posted March 17, 2018 at 03:49 PM Bottom line: Either Rauner or Ives would be better than any of the Democrat candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted March 17, 2018 at 04:31 PM Share Posted March 17, 2018 at 04:31 PM Rauner became Governor with the help of Democrats unwilling to elect Quinn. He was an "acceptable" compromise. After seeing a TV ad this morning targeting Ives, if she wins the primary, she will be soundly defeated in the general election. Knowing not all ads present unbiased truth, there is one which says "Ives is too conservative for Illinois". You should take that to mean "Ives is too conservative for crossover Democrats who don't like Pritzker". My new strategy (as a D who doesn't like Pritzker and didn't like Quinn) is to pull a Republican ballot in the primary and vote for Rauner, rather than a D ballet to vote for a lesser D whom Rauner might have a better chance with. Be careful when voting your hearts. A soft 2A gatekeeper is better than leaving the gates open. Today is a good day for early voting in Chicago! That may be the ad funded by the Democratic Governor's Assoc. , the IL Election Board has stated the DGA should file that as in-kind contribution to Ives campaign.https://capitolfax.com/2018/03/16/elections-board-says-dga-should-file-disclosure-for-ives-ad/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted March 17, 2018 at 11:02 PM Share Posted March 17, 2018 at 11:02 PM Rauner became Governor with the help of Democrats unwilling to elect Quinn. He was an "acceptable" compromise. After seeing a TV ad this morning targeting Ives, if she wins the primary, she will be soundly defeated in the general election. Knowing not all ads present unbiased truth, there is one which says "Ives is too conservative for Illinois". You should take that to mean "Ives is too conservative for crossover Democrats who don't like Pritzker". My new strategy (as a D who doesn't like Pritzker and didn't like Quinn) is to pull a Republican ballot in the primary and vote for Rauner, rather than a D ballet to vote for a lesser D whom Rauner might have a better chance with. Be careful when voting your hearts. A soft 2A gatekeeper is better than leaving the gates open. Today is a good day for early voting in Chicago! That may be the ad funded by the Democratic Governor's Assoc. , the IL Election Board has stated the DGA should file that as in-kind contribution to Ives campaign.https://capitolfax.com/2018/03/16/elections-board-says-dga-should-file-disclosure-for-ives-ad/ Just saw it again. That's the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilbrownrifle Posted March 18, 2018 at 05:43 PM Share Posted March 18, 2018 at 05:43 PM think back to the presidential election,the clinton camp said trump had no chance of winning.if you get away from chicago most of the voters still have a brain and can see past the liberal,s bs.the dem,s did not think rouner had a chance against quinn,but times are a changing in the state of illinois. That's apples and oranges. Abortion and the 2nd Amendment were not campaign issues. Globalism, border control and Hillary have no play on the IL state election. You point out Rauner was a surprise. Well, rauner is about the best we can expect and the same for states like NJ, CA, NY. The prelude term to RINO, Rockefeller Republican, came out of NY. Scott Brown in Mass, Pro Gun Control Christie, Rauner in Illinois, Schwarzenegger in CA--That is about the best we can expect. We are not remotely purple states. We're a deep blue state with a bit of a parking brake currently around the fringes on issues like the 2nd. We're not only not Texas, were not Wisconsin. If Rauner is going to be firm on one Issue I'm more than pleased it's the 2nd. Vote your conscience. But Ives will not fly upstate among the RINOS. I think she's great. The average soccer mom who is pro choice to the same degree the select few of us posting here are pro second, will never vote for her even though there is no chance she will impact Roe vs Wade. If she wins the primary expect CA or NJ or NY style gun control, and the range of progressive social and spending excesses under Governor Pritzker. IMO that will fully tip the state and we'll be like the inconsequential gun owners in N CA who just sit there and see what the next repression will bring with the new day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted March 18, 2018 at 10:07 PM Share Posted March 18, 2018 at 10:07 PM I'm stealing chicagoresidents map so give him credit for the map: Rauner: 40-50% 50-60% 60-70% 70-80% 80-90%Quinn: 60-70% blueRauner election map 2014 (darker the red the more percentage of votes for Rauner. In post #152 the St. Patrick's Day Parade last Saturday was in Elmhurst. Most of the people who didn't even who Ives was were CCL holders or at the very least FOID holders. It's a pretty hardcore Republican suburb. The drunken people who did know her who she was screamed things that rhymed with hunt and yahtzee. You had to be by the parade staging area to hear these things. This actually made the people who didn't know who she was actually do some internet research. Being that they are all Republicans as were their parents this didn't bide well for Ives. I know a few people who own businesses in Wheaton and they aren't voting for her. This is Dupage County and there are almost a million people here. It is the second most populous county in the state of Illinois and is pretty much Republican except for Presidential elections. Like I stated before, many Republicans did not like Trump and most still don't."Republicans have controlled local politics in DuPage County since the nineteenth century. - Historically, DuPage County was a stronghold of the Republican Party, and was reckoned as a classic bastion of suburban conservatism, but like many suburban counties outside large cities it has trended Democratic in presidential years. - As of 2016, Democrats hold only one of eighteen board seats."Basically this county is Republican to the core and yes maybe there are some RINOS in Naperville.If almost a million Republicans don't know who she is and the ones who do don't like her, she has a tough time winning the primary.She needs votes from other counties to remotely have a chance of winning. The only numbers she throws out are from her own mouth."I'm within 10 points of Rauner". OK Jeanne then I guess my cat is within 5 points + or - 95 points. MAD MATH SKILLS. "We're a deep blue state with a bit of a parking brake currently around the fringes on issues like the 2nd."No actually the map shows we are basically a RED state with Cook being the only blue county. That is different when it comes to Presidential elections when we are sort of a pink state but Cook is always going to be blue. The fact that know there is solid evidence that she took money from Madigan hurts her even more. People who thought that was all just a smear tactic now know who she owes favors to and don't like it. Rauner takes the primary easily so I hope that everybody that votes Republican next Tuesday holds together and does the same in November regardless of whether your candidate won or not. Otherwise JB eats our guns like he did 50 cent corndogs at Sonic yesterday.It's my understanding that he ate 83 corndogs yesterday, a new record for him. Perhaps he's nervous about something or maybe he hadn't eaten in an hour, I don't know.That's so petty and mean! I'll have you know he didn't put mustard on them like the plebians, and he used a pinkies-up, dainty grip whilst gourging upon said corndogs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted March 18, 2018 at 10:13 PM Share Posted March 18, 2018 at 10:13 PM I'm stealing chicagoresidents map so give him credit for the map: Rauner: 40-50% 50-60% 60-70% 70-80% 80-90%Quinn: 60-70% blueRauner election map 2014 (darker the red the more percentage of votes for Rauner. In post #152 the St. Patrick's Day Parade last Saturday was in Elmhurst. Most of the people who didn't even who Ives was were CCL holders or at the very least FOID holders. It's a pretty hardcore Republican suburb. The drunken people who did know her who she was screamed things that rhymed with hunt and yahtzee. You had to be by the parade staging area to hear these things. This actually made the people who didn't know who she was actually do some internet research. Being that they are all Republicans as were their parents this didn't bide well for Ives. I know a few people who own businesses in Wheaton and they aren't voting for her. This is Dupage County and there are almost a million people here. It is the second most populous county in the state of Illinois and is pretty much Republican except for Presidential elections. Like I stated before, many Republicans did not like Trump and most still don't."Republicans have controlled local politics in DuPage County since the nineteenth century. - Historically, DuPage County was a stronghold of the Republican Party, and was reckoned as a classic bastion of suburban conservatism, but like many suburban counties outside large cities it has trended Democratic in presidential years. - As of 2016, Democrats hold only one of eighteen board seats."Basically this county is Republican to the core and yes maybe there are some RINOS in Naperville.If almost a million Republicans don't know who she is and the ones who do don't like her, she has a tough time winning the primary.She needs votes from other counties to remotely have a chance of winning. The only numbers she throws out are from her own mouth."I'm within 10 points of Rauner". OK Jeanne then I guess my cat is within 5 points + or - 95 points. MAD MATH SKILLS. "We're a deep blue state with a bit of a parking brake currently around the fringes on issues like the 2nd."No actually the map shows we are basically a RED state with Cook being the only blue county. That is different when it comes to Presidential elections when we are sort of a pink state but Cook is always going to be blue. The fact that know there is solid evidence that she took money from Madigan hurts her even more. People who thought that was all just a smear tactic now know who she owes favors to and don't like it. Rauner takes the primary easily so I hope that everybody that votes Republican next Tuesday holds together and does the same in November regardless of whether your candidate won or not. Otherwise JB eats our guns like he did 50 cent corndogs at Sonic yesterday.It's my understanding that he ate 83 corndogs yesterday, a new record for him. Perhaps he's nervous about something or maybe he hadn't eaten in an hour, I don't know.Rauner may win the primary based on northern votes alone. The problem with Rauner is he has lost these dark red counties in the central and SE areas. These will go handily to Ives in the primary. My concern is that he will lose enough votes (people not voting at all) in the general downstate to lose. He didn't win by much the first go around and now the new is worn off and everybody can see he ain't different. The ONLY people who can say he's done anything good are they very engaged pro 2A folks. If you think that the pro life vote is insignificant, you might as well not even count the 2A folks. I'm not sure he can pull out a win any way you cut it. The independent/moderate/libertarian types have jumped ship. They'll roll the dice and take their chances with someone new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max503 Posted March 19, 2018 at 05:12 AM Share Posted March 19, 2018 at 05:12 AM http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/09/blue-state-blues-jeanne-ives-real-deal-illinois/ Good summary of the state of things."Pritzker, who is backed by the Madigan machine, was thought to be inevitable. But this week, old recordings emerged in which he was heard mocking black politicians — while talking to former Gov. Rod Blagojevich."I think Ives could draw a lot of women voters.I will be voting for Ives come Tuesday. The liberals didn't want us to think Trump had an ice cube's chance in heck, and look what happened there.Don't give up hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max503 Posted March 19, 2018 at 05:37 AM Share Posted March 19, 2018 at 05:37 AM On second thought I just might vote for Rauner because he probably has the best chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted March 19, 2018 at 05:54 AM Share Posted March 19, 2018 at 05:54 AM Mick G .... are you related to Rauner ??? VOTE for the Most Conservative in the Primary.Vote for the Republican in the General.Always VOTE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted March 19, 2018 at 04:52 PM Share Posted March 19, 2018 at 04:52 PM Rauner became Governor with the help of Democrats unwilling to elect Quinn. He was an "acceptable" compromise. After seeing a TV ad this morning targeting Ives, if she wins the primary, she will be soundly defeated in the general election. Knowing not all ads present unbiased truth, there is one which says "Ives is too conservative for Illinois". You should take that to mean "Ives is too conservative for crossover Democrats who don't like Pritzker". My new strategy (as a D who doesn't like Pritzker and didn't like Quinn) is to pull a Republican ballot in the primary and vote for Rauner, rather than a D ballet to vote for a lesser D whom Rauner might have a better chance with. Be careful when voting your hearts. A soft 2A gatekeeper is better than leaving the gates open. Today is a good day for early voting in Chicago! That may be the ad funded by the Democratic Governor's Assoc. , the IL Election Board has stated the DGA should file that as in-kind contribution to Ives campaign.https://capitolfax.com/2018/03/16/elections-board-says-dga-should-file-disclosure-for-ives-ad/Just in case some don’t open the link. Washington Democrats know that Governor Rauner will be tough to beat in November. That’s why they’ve decided to overtly attempt to influence the outcome of the Republican primary in favor of a candidate who is simply unelectable in Illinois. Their support of Representative Ives should be seen for what it is: an in-kind donation from a group that accepted $2 million from Mike Madigan’s handpicked candidate, JB Pritzker.”- Communications Director Will Allison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted March 19, 2018 at 05:07 PM Share Posted March 19, 2018 at 05:07 PM Washington Democrats know that Governor Rauner will be tough to beat in November. That's a new one. We had all the claims in the earlier posts that no one was going to be Pritzker's money. Governor Rauner admits that he is not in charge. A national publication declares that he is the worse Republican governor in the whole country. And now he is almost unbeatable? By tomorrow there will probably posts that the UN is offering him the crown of supreme ruler of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclist Posted March 19, 2018 at 11:37 PM Share Posted March 19, 2018 at 11:37 PM Call me a late decider. Ives will get my vote tomorrow along with my wife’s. Rauner hasn’t done anything for me except raise my taxes and not improve this States standing in past 4 years. Illinois is broke in more ways than one. Drain the swamp in Illinois, like we are in Washington. Nobody thought Trump could win. Rauner had his chance and did nothing with it. IMO he has less chance of defeating J.B. in the General than Ives. If she wins the Primary, many with deep pockets will support her. As I see it, Rauner has fewer supporters than in 2014. I like the message Ives has been sending. I’m from Missouri, show me. Show me some this State can stand up for what is right and break the corruption and begin to correct the dismal choices of the past. Give me term limits. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/09/blue-state-blues-jeanne-ives-real-deal-illinois/ I value all opinions. And have enjoyed reading the debate. If Rauner wins tomorrow, he will have our vote in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max503 Posted March 21, 2018 at 12:55 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 12:55 AM My wife is a hard core liberal and she said Pritzker is not their choice for governor. She wants Kennedy or Biss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydawg13 Posted March 21, 2018 at 12:59 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 12:59 AM Call me a late decider. Ives will get my vote tomorrow along with my wife’s. Rauner hasn’t done anything for me except raise my taxes and not improve this States standing in past 4 years. Illinois is broke in more ways than one. Drain the swamp in Illinois, like we are in Washington. Nobody thought Trump could win. Rauner had his chance and did nothing with it. IMO he has less chance of defeating J.B. in the General than Ives. If she wins the Primary, many with deep pockets will support her. As I see it, Rauner has fewer supporters than in 2014. I like the message Ives has been sending. I’m from Missouri, show me. Show me some this State can stand up for what is right and break the corruption and begin to correct the dismal choices of the past. Give me term limits. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/09/blue-state-blues-jeanne-ives-real-deal-illinois/ I value all opinions. And have enjoyed reading the debate. If Rauner wins tomorrow, he will have our vote in November.we did the same thing and if he wins we will vote for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted March 21, 2018 at 01:28 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 01:28 AM She is within 4% now ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted March 21, 2018 at 01:31 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 01:31 AM WGN is calling it for the JB the Gas Bag with 36% in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cls74 Posted March 21, 2018 at 01:53 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 01:53 AM She is within 4% now ! How many unions pulled R ballots to make it close? Dems already had Pritzker in, was never a challenge. One thing bout them, they hold their party lines regardless of morals. Republicans tend to infight and bicker about lesser issues with a candidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twostarrz Posted March 21, 2018 at 02:11 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 02:11 AM She is within 4% now ! How many unions pulled R ballots to make it close? Dems already had Pritzker in, was never a challenge. One thing bout them, they hold their party lines regardless of morals. Republicans tend to infight and bicker about lesser issues with a candidateI’m union and I vote a conservative card. I know a lot of union guys that vote same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted March 21, 2018 at 02:38 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 02:38 AM Rauner 51.4 Ives 48.6. 7,772 of 10,119 precincts reporting. (Last updated: March 20, 9:35 p.m. I didn't expect her to be this close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanook Posted March 21, 2018 at 02:40 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 02:40 AM I'm retired union, and I've never voted for any IL democrat in my life, with one exception. She was a strong 2nd amendment supporter, and I voted for her. I couldn't possibly care less what union leaders wanted us to do. When Gore ran against Bush, one of the guys I was working for asked us gun guys if we thought Gore was going to come to our house the day after he was inaugurated and take our guns. One of the others told him "I hope he does." That went over like a lead balloon, and then of course he lost which made it worse. We got lots of laughs out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cls74 Posted March 21, 2018 at 03:07 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 03:07 AM Rauner 51.4 Ives 48.6. 7,772 of 10,119 precincts reporting. (Last updated: March 20, 9:35 p.m. I didn't expect her to be this close. Doesn't even matter. Republicans have a bit over half million voters split between two. Pritzker has nearly that total combined, add in the other 2 of the top 3 and thwy have nearly doubled Ives and Rauners collective totals. Invest in vaseline, it's going to pay dividends in the coming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted March 21, 2018 at 03:46 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 03:46 AM The bad part of her showing so well is the affirmation that Rauner didn't get anyone off of their duff to vote. The only glimmer of hope for keeping the office is Rauner has some support up north and heart disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted March 21, 2018 at 03:48 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 03:48 AM The bad part of her showing so well is the affirmation that Rauner didn't get anyone off of their duff to vote. The only glimmer of hope for keeping the office is Rauner has some support up north and heart disease.Is it that, or are most of the people fleeing this state, republican voters? I'm guessing it's the latter, because almost everyone I know that left Illinois voted republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted March 21, 2018 at 04:09 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 04:09 AM The bad part of her showing so well is the affirmation that Rauner didn't get anyone off of their duff to vote.The only glimmer of hope for keeping the office is Rauner has some support up north and heart disease. Is it that, or are most of the people fleeing this state, republican voters? I'm guessing it's the latter, because almost everyone I know that left Illinois voted republican. I'm sure that doesn't help. But man, people hate him down here. And by "down here," I mean everywhere I've been south of Bloomington. I really think folks just don't care right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted March 21, 2018 at 04:13 AM Share Posted March 21, 2018 at 04:13 AM The bad part of her showing so well is the affirmation that Rauner didn't get anyone off of their duff to vote.The only glimmer of hope for keeping the office is Rauner has some support up north and heart disease. Is it that, or are most of the people fleeing this state, republican voters? I'm guessing it's the latter, because almost everyone I know that left Illinois voted republican. I'm sure that doesn't help. But man, people hate him down here. And by "down here," I mean everywhere I've been south of Bloomington. I really think folks just don't care right now. With JB rallying behind legalization of weed, Rauner needs to stand behind legalization too. No sense in giving that massive turd an upper hand with the stoner crowd. Besides, legalization of weed won't change a thing in this state. The people that get high, will continue to get high, and those that don't, will continue not smoking it. Take an arrow out of that massive lump of turd's quiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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