Xwing Posted May 8, 2019 at 01:30 PM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 01:30 PM I can't look through 63 pages of this thread, but I went to the Naperville Dick's today and it's NOT posted ! Has it never been or is this something new ? I purposely carried and was surprised. Dicks usually isn't posted. While they have taken an anti-gun stance (in regard to tactical rifles), I've never seen one that actually prohibits carry. And instead of looking through 63 pages, check out the app in Android or iPhone / iPad, or use the online / lite version. There are thousands of active entries, this thread is just one minor source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawman Posted May 16, 2019 at 01:58 AM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 01:58 AM What are the penalties if someone is carrying in a place that is posted? I'm sure the penalty varies depending on the place: e.g. School, federal building, park, or a posted restaurant can't all be the same penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 16, 2019 at 03:12 AM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 03:12 AM What are the penalties if someone is carrying in a place that is posted? I'm sure the penalty varies depending on the place: e.g. School, federal building, park, or a posted restaurant can't all be the same penalty. Except as otherwise provided, a licensee in violation of this Act shall be guilty of a Class B misdemeanor. A second or subsequent violation is a Class A misdemeanor. The Department may suspend a license for up to 6 months for a second violation and shall permanently revoke a license for 3 or more violations of Section 65 of this Act. Any person convicted of a violation under this Section shall pay a $150 fee to be deposited into the Mental Health Reporting Fund, plus any applicable court costs or fees. Federally prohibited places gets you a felony first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 16, 2019 at 07:19 AM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 07:19 AM Federally prohibited places gets you a felony first time. Update: The Federal law is 18 U.S. Code § 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities Otherwise legal carry in a Federal facility that is not a courthouse is a misdemeanor. Otherwise legal carry in a Federal courthouse is a felony. Otherwise illegal carry in a Federal facility is a felony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymond963 Posted August 2, 2019 at 07:33 PM Share Posted August 2, 2019 at 07:33 PM Stopped in the Jimmy John's at 2301 E Washington St in Bloomington yesterday. There are no longer any GFZ signs posted. Hoping that's true at all Bloomington/Normal stores. Edited to add that I entered the above info into the Posted! app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VannDaddy Posted February 16, 2020 at 10:59 PM Share Posted February 16, 2020 at 10:59 PM I’m going to a wedding this summer at the Standard at 214 E State in Rockford. I haven’t been able to find any info that it’s posted. Anyone have any info? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted February 17, 2020 at 07:18 PM Share Posted February 17, 2020 at 07:18 PM From Google Maps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VannDaddy Posted March 16, 2020 at 01:56 AM Share Posted March 16, 2020 at 01:56 AM Thank you Mr. Fife! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker Posted April 13, 2020 at 01:52 PM Share Posted April 13, 2020 at 01:52 PM My instructor in January 2020 interprets cook county forest preserve as OK to carry on the trails (Des Plaines river Trail) went as far as to say real property means buildings, OK anywhere elseCook County forest preserve was not on the list of prohibited places instructor handed outAfter a lot of reading I will draw my own conclusion that its not OK anywhere in CCFP even parking lots ?I was in one CCFP that had no gun sign on post at entrance to parking lotAny advise would be appreciated What about Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod Posted April 13, 2020 at 02:18 PM Share Posted April 13, 2020 at 02:18 PM I noticed the last time I got an emission test (last month) the no gun sign was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted April 13, 2020 at 03:49 PM Share Posted April 13, 2020 at 03:49 PM What about Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery? Absolutely notPosted in several placesFederally controlled, federal property? But no, I have and many other who visit there do not take in the car either. Just respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted April 13, 2020 at 04:14 PM Share Posted April 13, 2020 at 04:14 PM My instructor in January 2020 interprets cook county forest preserve as OK to carry on the trails (Des Plaines river Trail) went as far as to say real property means buildings, OK anywhere elseCook County forest preserve was not on the list of prohibited places instructor handed outAfter a lot of reading I will draw my own conclusion that its not OK anywhere in CCFP even parking lots ?I was in one CCFP that had no gun sign on post at entrance to parking lotAny advise would be appreciated What about Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery? Your instructor was in error. Real property includes land, buildings, and anything firmly attached to the land. https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/real+property Under section 65: "(14) Any real property under the control of the Cook County Forest Preserve District". There has been many posts on this forum indicating that instructors have made mistakes or students have incorrectly interpreted what was taught. I do not mean this as a blanket negative criticism of instructors. They are teaching in good faith. People make mistakes. Few, if any, CC instructors are lawyers. Even lawyers make mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted April 13, 2020 at 04:39 PM Share Posted April 13, 2020 at 04:39 PM They may be teaching in good faith, but with some instructors, their lack of knowledge or misinformation could get the students into trouble. When I took my renewal class, the instructor was not knowledgeable at all with even the most basic topics and there are things he should have known and didn't. To name a few for example, the Cook county FP question came up and he didn't know the answer. He also didn't know about the posting requirements for restaurants which have 50% alcohol sales revenue, or the ban on carry in the post office or other federal buildings. It just went on and on. I had to keep correcting him and answer the questions the students were asking because he didn't know the answer. I was also surprised at how little the students knew. Granted, I'm probably more knowledgeable on the topic than most people because I participate here at IL Carry and keep myself informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted April 13, 2020 at 05:17 PM Share Posted April 13, 2020 at 05:17 PM The law is posted on the ISP web site for anyone to review. Regardless of any error an instructor may have made, we are individually responsible for knowing its contents and for our actions. I read it 2 - 3 times before I took my first class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker Posted April 13, 2020 at 07:06 PM Share Posted April 13, 2020 at 07:06 PM My instructor in January 2020 interprets cook county forest preserve as OK to carry on the trails (Des Plaines river Trail) went as far as to say real property means buildings, OK anywhere elseCook County forest preserve was not on the list of prohibited places instructor handed outAfter a lot of reading I will draw my own conclusion that its not OK anywhere in CCFP even parking lots ?I was in one CCFP that had no gun sign on post at entrance to parking lotAny advise would be appreciated What about Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery?Yes I see the class was very informative except for CCFP and the fact he said 2-6 weeks to get license , I asked weeks or months and he replied weeks Oh well its all over now 90 days exactly to card in handThanks for the comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted April 14, 2020 at 01:40 AM Share Posted April 14, 2020 at 01:40 AM I don’t know much about Cook County forest preserve trails, but if the trail begins and ends outside of the preserve, like a trail through the preserve that would be ok. A river trail may continue past the borders of the preserve. ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker Posted April 14, 2020 at 12:30 PM Share Posted April 14, 2020 at 12:30 PM Seems to be a gray areaA lady we know was attacked and raped on that trail years ago, cook county had inmates cleaning a roadway ,one inmate ran away and hid in the woods, and pulled her off the trailMy wife since does not go on the trail by herself, you can access the trail and the trail crosses many roads which can be entrance, exit pointsI guess a call to an experienced gun law attorney is in the future The code does state CCFP is exempt from concealed carry law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted April 14, 2020 at 12:32 PM Share Posted April 14, 2020 at 12:32 PM There's Illinois law, and there's natural law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted April 15, 2020 at 12:19 AM Share Posted April 15, 2020 at 12:19 AM Seems to be a gray area A lady we know was attacked and raped on that trail years ago, cook county had inmates cleaning a roadway ,one inmate ran away and hid in the woods, and pulled her off the trail My wife since does not go on the trail by herself, you can access the trail and the trail crosses many roads which can be entrance, exit points I guess a call to an experienced gun law attorney is in the future The code does state CCFP is exempt from concealed carry law Notwithstanding there prohibited status, they are not immune from the other statutory exemptions provided FCCL holders. ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Jet Posted May 22, 2020 at 10:15 PM Share Posted May 22, 2020 at 10:15 PM Helpfull App. It will be good to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carry Posted May 23, 2020 at 01:31 AM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 01:31 AM . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted July 21, 2020 at 12:58 PM Share Posted July 21, 2020 at 12:58 PM If a restaurant is properly posted, does that signage also apply to its outdoor dining? How about some of the outdoor dining setups in closed streets or sidewalks that were put up in response to this COVID? I get that if you go in through a posted door you are in violation, but sitting outside you may never cross a door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted July 21, 2020 at 01:54 PM Share Posted July 21, 2020 at 01:54 PM It seems it would depend on where the posted sign is. If you have to pass the sign then the area is a no carry area, if the sign is still on the door to the restaurant, and you never enter through that door I would think that you are okay. Personally this is how I would interpret such a situation and just continue to carry concealed as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 21, 2020 at 02:03 PM Share Posted July 21, 2020 at 02:03 PM The sidewalk and street are public right of ways, CC is not restricted. The law says that you cannot go through a portal (door, gate) that is posted. If they have tables in their parking lot and it is posted, then you cannot be armed. No posting? carry there too. I do not see completely ignoring the law and signage, but we have had over 5 years of CC. The arrests for CCing in posted areas have been extremely rare. If you are extremely careless in your concealment, you may be asked to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted July 21, 2020 at 02:31 PM Share Posted July 21, 2020 at 02:31 PM Thanks guys, this is what I figured. Just wondered if people knew about any little details in the code or case law that I missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteydoug Posted July 22, 2020 at 09:02 AM Share Posted July 22, 2020 at 09:02 AM Living in Chicago, it's practically easier to post places that DON'T have GFZ signs instead of ones that do. My wife is starting to get p***** because I refuse spend money at 95% of the establishments in our neighborhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 22, 2020 at 09:55 AM Share Posted July 22, 2020 at 09:55 AM She should be angry at the 95% that don't want you as a customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 22, 2020 at 11:13 AM Share Posted July 22, 2020 at 11:13 AM She should be angry at the 95% that don't want you as a customer.Didn't Chicago pass a law (or try to) requiring a large number of places to post in order to retain their business license? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted July 22, 2020 at 11:14 AM Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 at 11:14 AM Didn't Chicago pass a law (or try to) requiring a large number of places to post in order to retain their business license? They require that for a liquor license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted July 22, 2020 at 11:15 AM Share Posted July 22, 2020 at 11:15 AM She should be angry at the 95% that don't want you as a customer.Didn't Chicago pass a law (or try to) requiring a large number of places to post in order to retain their business license? Don't think they passes a law. It was the liquor board telling anything that needed a license that they had to post or no liquor license. As far as I can rememberr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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