kwc Posted October 24, 2015 at 10:36 AM Share Posted October 24, 2015 at 10:36 AM Excellent video--thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted October 30, 2015 at 03:59 AM Share Posted October 30, 2015 at 03:59 AM kwc, here's a video about Sgt Ray from NRA site (Ginny Simone) https://www.nranews.com/series/ginny-simone-reporting/video/ginny-simone-reporting-2015-our-military-disarmed/episode/ginny-simone-reporting-season-6-episode-10-our-military-disarmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted November 4, 2015 at 03:17 PM Share Posted November 4, 2015 at 03:17 PM Thanks, OldMarineVet. The NDAA has been revised and newly introduced as S.1356. It is supposed to be on the House floor Thursday, requiring a 2/3 majority vote for passage and allowing no amendments. The military carry provision remains intact in S.1356. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted November 5, 2015 at 02:15 PM Share Posted November 5, 2015 at 02:15 PM Great news, kwc! Thanks for letting me know. Passing this on to military recruiters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted November 5, 2015 at 05:04 PM Share Posted November 5, 2015 at 05:04 PM The House voted 370-58 today to support the new version of the NDAA. The Senate should vote next week. Common assumption among Democrats is that POTUS will likely not attempt a veto, despite language that allows Guantanamo Bay to remain open. Of course, if POTUS does veto this one, the House has far more votes this time to override it. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/05/us-usa-defense-congress-idUSKCN0SU2DE20151105 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted November 5, 2015 at 05:51 PM Share Posted November 5, 2015 at 05:51 PM Does this version still authorize the transfers of 1911s to the CMP for sale? Or was that a different bill entirely? Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted November 5, 2015 at 06:25 PM Share Posted November 5, 2015 at 06:25 PM Does this version still authorize the transfers of 1911s to the CMP for sale? Or was that a different bill entirely? Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Yes, it does. See page 722: http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=27E9F5EB-757A-4BF2-B807-333B6BD6A627 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted November 10, 2015 at 05:12 PM Share Posted November 10, 2015 at 05:12 PM The House voted 370-58 today to support the new version of the NDAA. The Senate should vote next week. Common assumption among Democrats is that POTUS will likely not attempt a veto, despite language that allows Guantanamo Bay to remain open. Of course, if POTUS does veto this one, the House has far more votes this time to override it. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/05/us-usa-defense-congress-idUSKCN0SU2DE20151105 The Senate just passed the new version of the NDAA as well, 91 to 3. It goes to the President next who will probably sign it in light of the veto-proof majority vote favoring this legislation. Another step closer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted November 10, 2015 at 06:53 PM Share Posted November 10, 2015 at 06:53 PM Here is the actual final version of the text included in the legislation: Not later than December 31, 2015, the Secretary of Defense, taking into consideration the views of senior leadership of military installations in the United States, shall establish and implement a process by which the commanders of military installations in the United States, or other military commanders designated by the Secretary of Defense for military reserve centers, Armed Services recruiting centers, and such other defense facilities as the Secretary may prescribe, may authorize a member of the Armed Forces who is assigned to duty at the installation, center or facility to carry an appropriate firearm on the installation, center, or facility if the commander determines that carrying such a firearm is necessary as a personal- or force-protection measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted November 11, 2015 at 05:52 AM Share Posted November 11, 2015 at 05:52 AM Thanks for these updates, kwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted November 11, 2015 at 10:09 PM Share Posted November 11, 2015 at 10:09 PM Yahoo news had a bit saying bho was expected to sign it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted November 26, 2015 at 04:48 AM Share Posted November 26, 2015 at 04:48 AM The president signed the NDAA today. Now we wait for the SECDEF's policy... More info on the NDAA: http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/11/25/obama-ndaa-defense-bill-military-retirement-overhaul/76302160/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted November 26, 2015 at 03:47 PM Share Posted November 26, 2015 at 03:47 PM allow military base commanders to authorize the concealed carry of firearms on military installations. now will any commanders acutally authorize it - I suspect few and far between Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted November 26, 2015 at 04:21 PM Share Posted November 26, 2015 at 04:21 PM The president signed the NDAA today. Now we wait for the SECDEF's policy... More info on the NDAA: http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/11/25/obama-ndaa-defense-bill-military-retirement-overhaul/76302160/Nice. Now we need to allow for CCL's for out of state military. I forwarded the link to both my State Representative and Senator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted November 26, 2015 at 04:36 PM Share Posted November 26, 2015 at 04:36 PM As mentioned previously, the SECDEF policy will likely require the member to follow local laws--including having a carry license from the host state. If Illinois continues to discriminate against nonresidents, we have no hope of being able to carry on a military base here. Spec5 and many others here, thanks so much for your continued support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted November 26, 2015 at 05:35 PM Share Posted November 26, 2015 at 05:35 PM allow military base commanders to authorize the concealed carry of firearms on military installations. now will any commanders acutally authorize it - I suspect few and far betweenI'm hoping otherwise. I'm pretty sure Lt. Cmdr. Tim White, the CO of Navy Operational Support Center Chattanooga, will authorize it. It's my understanding Tim White used his "unlawfully carried" gun to shoot the terrorist. While the DoD was considering filing charges, Retired Lt Col Allen West's lobbying efforts appeared to influence them not to. Besides understanding the value of arming his people on the base, Tim White would probably like to carry again, if he isn't already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted November 26, 2015 at 06:09 PM Share Posted November 26, 2015 at 06:09 PM I'm pretty sure Lt. Cmdr. Tim White, the CO of Navy Operational Support Center Chattanooga, will authorize it. I suspect he would, and he's not alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted November 26, 2015 at 07:49 PM Share Posted November 26, 2015 at 07:49 PM Thanks for the update, kwc. I just sent my emails to IL rep and senator putting IL bills (HB4258 and SB2150) in context to the NDAA's "Allowing personal firearms on stateside bases." Asked others to do the same. Thank you very much for supporting our military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted November 26, 2015 at 08:35 PM Share Posted November 26, 2015 at 08:35 PM Thank you, OldMarineVet! Let's keep the pressure on. I did exactly the same thing a couple of weeks ago when the NDAA had passed both chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted December 7, 2015 at 12:38 PM Share Posted December 7, 2015 at 12:38 PM The SECDEF policy isn't signed yet, but the NDAA policy is already having a minor impact. According to one source, a base commander in TX now allows personnel to leave a firearm in their cars instead of requiring them to be locked up at home or in the base armory. Personnel must possess a TX Concealed Handgun License or one from a reciprocal state. At least they no longer have to be unarmed when traveling to and from the base. Baby steps... http://christianfighterpilot.com/2015/12/07/liberty-university-aids-concealed-carry-and-so-does-dyess-afb/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted December 7, 2015 at 01:53 PM Share Posted December 7, 2015 at 01:53 PM Great to hear. I'm already hoping the first base commanders arming their people will put pressure on the others. I think this "baby step" BEFORE SECDEF policy signature is a powerful signal for others. Thanks for telling us about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted December 8, 2015 at 01:03 AM Share Posted December 8, 2015 at 01:03 AM Here's an official press release: http://www.dyess.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123464561 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted December 8, 2015 at 04:03 AM Share Posted December 8, 2015 at 04:03 AM Kwc and oldmarinevet we all have to keep the pressure on. I talked to my Rep about it again just last week at the ribbon cutting for our new City Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted December 8, 2015 at 04:09 AM Share Posted December 8, 2015 at 04:09 AM Absolutely--I continue to ping our reps/Senators on this, too. I can't tell you just how disappointed I am that the nonresident lawsuit hit a wall today... was hoping a favorable decision would steer this in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted December 20, 2015 at 01:27 AM Share Posted December 20, 2015 at 01:27 AM kwc, just checking. Do you know if Secretary Carter signed the policy yet? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted December 20, 2015 at 01:52 AM Share Posted December 20, 2015 at 01:52 AM If Secretary Carter has signed the policy, it hasn't been shared with the services or installations yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted December 20, 2015 at 02:36 PM Share Posted December 20, 2015 at 02:36 PM Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted December 20, 2015 at 07:17 PM Share Posted December 20, 2015 at 07:17 PM "SEC. 526. ESTABLISHMENT OF PROCESS BY WHICH MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES MAY CARRY AN APPROPRIATE FIREARM ON A MILITARY INSTALLATION. Not later than December 31, 2015, the Secretary of Defense, taking into consideration the views of senior leadership of military installations in the United States, shall establish and implement a process by which the commanders of military installations in the United States, or other military commanders designated by the Secretary of Defense for military reserve centers, Armed Services recruiting centers, and such other defense facilities as the Secretary may prescribe, may authorize a member of the Armed Forces who is assigned to duty at the installation, center or facility to carry an appropriate firearm on the installation, center, or facility if the commander determines that carrying such a firearm is necessary as a personal- or force-protection measure". I see no specific authorization of concealed carry or the carrying of personal firearms by the military. There is no mention of retirees, dependents, or active-duty visiting other bases. Who knows what policy SecDef Carter may establish. As noted above, this is only a baby step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted December 20, 2015 at 07:37 PM Share Posted December 20, 2015 at 07:37 PM The signed version is more vague than the original that was proposed. However, I know that at least some commanders are interpreting the phrase "personal-... protection measure" to mean carry of personal weapons. The discussions ARE happening, with the expectation that the "process" established by SECDEF means exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted December 20, 2015 at 07:43 PM Share Posted December 20, 2015 at 07:43 PM Quiet Observer, the NDAA text does, as you pointed out, only refer to members of the Armed Forces, so yes--unfortunately civilians, dependents, and retirees (and presumably members who are TDY) won't be addressed in the policy. LEOSA may offer additional flexibility for those who qualify, but entry into facilities for any others would require a change to 18 USC 930. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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