Lou Posted September 9, 2019 at 11:25 AM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 11:25 AM https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-concealed-carry-murder-charge-20190909-6w7dzya7dfet5cxoosxr4zctmy-story.html Front page on todays Chicago Tribune. Kind of one sided except they did interview Valinda Rowe. See link for entire story. Whos watching? More people licensed to carry guns in Illinois are using them, but oversight is still lacking By ANNIE SWEENEY and KATHERINE ROSENBERG-DOUGLASCHICAGO TRIBUNE |SEP 09, 2019 They were friends and family from the old neighborhood gathered to celebrate the passing of one of their own.An argument broke out. Police say a woman chased down her boyfriend and fired a small pink gun, missing him but hitting another man talking on the corner. The errant bullet killed Andrew Owens, an aspiring model who loved his family, traveling and dancing and could devour plates of food without gaining a pound. (Snip)A Tribune investigation into CCL shootings in 2018 showed that the Illinois State Police, the agency responsible for issuing firearm owner identification cards and concealed carry licenses, did not keep track of shootings by people licensed to carry guns.Little has changed. The state police still dont keep records on when license holders fire their weapons, how often they do it, or if they wound or kill someone."We need to hold people accountable if they are unlawfully or unsafely using firearms, Crifasi said. If we dont, they will continue to behave in an unlawful and unsafe manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted September 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM The Tribune claims to have documented 62 shootings over 6 years from the 306,000 licensed CCL holders. They fail to point out is .02% of license holders and 99.08% did not fire their weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper13 Posted September 9, 2019 at 12:12 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 12:12 PM Hit piece..She must be bored not having any other shootings to cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted September 9, 2019 at 12:57 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 12:57 PM Wouldn't this be the State Attorney's job and not the State Police? "We need to hold people accountable if they are unlawfully or unsafely using firearms, Crifasi said. If we dont, they will continue to behave in an unlawful and unsafe manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted September 9, 2019 at 12:58 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 12:58 PM The Tribune claims to have documented 62 shootings over 6 years from the 306,000 licensed CCL holders. They fail to point out is .02% of license holders and 99.08% did not fire their weapons. Actually, that's 99.98%. The Dove Bar is 99.44% pure and Illinois CCL shooters easily beat that number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted September 9, 2019 at 01:05 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 01:05 PM “It seems that there is this new social norm that if I have a firearm, I am authorized to pull this gun out and use it — even if I am not in danger,“ said Cassandra Crifasi, deputy director at the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. Oh what a pile of horse dung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted September 9, 2019 at 01:36 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 01:36 PM https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-concealed-carry-murder-charge-20190909-6w7dzya7dfet5cxoosxr4zctmy-story.html Front page on todays Chicago Tribune. Kind of one sided except they did interview Valinda Rowe. See link for entire story. Whos watching? More people licensed to carry guns in Illinois are using them, but oversight is still lacking By ANNIE SWEENEY and KATHERINE ROSENBERG-DOUGLASCHICAGO TRIBUNE |SEP 09, 2019 They were friends and family from the old neighborhood gathered to celebrate the passing of one of their own.An argument broke out. Police say a woman chased down her boyfriend and fired a small pink gun, missing him but hitting another man talking on the corner. The errant bullet killed Andrew Owens, an aspiring model who loved his family, traveling and dancing and could devour plates of food without gaining a pound. (Snip)A Tribune investigation into CCL shootings in 2018 showed that the Illinois State Police, the agency responsible for issuing firearm owner identification cards and concealed carry licenses, did not keep track of shootings by people licensed to carry guns.Little has changed. The state police still dont keep records on when license holders fire their weapons, how often they do it, or if they wound or kill someone."We need to hold people accountable if they are unlawfully or unsafely using firearms, Crifasi said. If we dont, they will continue to behave in an unlawful and unsafe manner. From the same article: Houpe was charged with first-degree murder. So... what else should be done to hold the woman that the article talks about accountable beyond charging her with one of the most serious crimes in our criminal justice system? This article is complete garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted September 9, 2019 at 01:37 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 01:37 PM In my role as master of the obvious... The number of concealed carry license (CCL) shootings has been steadily rising over nearly six years since it became legal to carry a handgun in Illinois — Before CC in Illinois there were NO shootings by an Illinois CC holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted September 9, 2019 at 01:52 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 01:52 PM — Last month, a 75-year-old homeowner in Lake County fired into a group of teens, after one of them allegedly moved toward him with an object in his hand. The homeowner shot a 14-year-old boy in the head, killing him. The man said he was just trying to scare them away. A knife was found at the scene.The item "allegedly" in the kid's (read: member of a marauding hoard of gangbangers carjacking their way through the rural areas north of the city) was a large Bowie knife recovered at the scene. No one in their right mind is trying to say that shooting was not justified. — At least two CCL holders have been shot and killed in Chicago over the last year after they pulled their guns to protect themselves.Wait...now we're blaming the victims for not successfully defending themselves??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggun 1 Posted September 9, 2019 at 02:09 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 02:09 PM 99.98% of ccl holders have not pulled out a gun yet a llw claims ccl holders are dangerous.the left once again show their lack of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Posted September 9, 2019 at 02:59 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 02:59 PM Looks like the warm up for the veto session has begun where the D's will continue their efforts to get Willis' garbage FOID bill through the senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted September 9, 2019 at 03:03 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 03:03 PM This article uses a typical tactic of the Left, trying to blur the line between two separate groups or issues and treating them as identical. Shootings are discussed, with little or no differential between legally justified self defense shootings and criminal attacks. Its trying to make the argument that all shootings are bad and legal concealed carry just adds to the number of shootings. This is just the same way the Left tries to blur the difference between legal and illegal immigration. By making both to be the same, I.e., immigration, they get to portray opponents of illegal immigration as anti-immigrant. Typical Leftist deception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted September 9, 2019 at 03:38 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 03:38 PM In a city that calls a press conference to tout the lower number of shooting over any weekend and it starts out: 6 killed 42 shot And they boast about it being lower than last yearSo its acceptable and makes them happy that ONLY 48 total were shot? And now its the Wild Wild West with these CCL holders running n gunning with no accountability!Back in the day (long ago) Id say to dad that I saw a neighbor do this or that.Dad would say, Ive seen you do it too, so worry about what you do and not what everyone else does. Kind of different, but it would seem that these reporters (loosely used term) would be able to put out something about the criminals who are doing the killing in Chicago and call it for what it is! After taking the time to browse over to the full article, Im not surprised about who shot whom and why......... And exactly how does the Libune track and get THEIR data base info? Like the one about the guy who had another double up his fists and start swinging at him.In my condition and age, I may have done the same thing....shoot But all this is just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted September 9, 2019 at 04:07 PM Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 04:07 PM The Tribune claims to have documented 62 shootings over 6 years from the 306,000 licensed CCL holders.They fail to point out is .02% of license holders and 99.08% did not fire their weapons. Actually, that's 99.98%. The Dove Bar is 99.44% pure and Illinois CCL shooters easily beat that number.I stand corrected. In my defense I am a product of the Chicago Public School system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted September 9, 2019 at 04:34 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 04:34 PM It seems that there is this new social norm that if I have a firearm, I am authorized to pull this gun out and use it even if I am not in danger, said Cassandra Crifasi, deputy director at the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. Oh what a pile of horse dungvia Wikipedia...think they have an agenda or at least a bias? The Center for Gun Policy and Research is a research center at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health dedicated to researching ways to reduce gun violence in the United States. The Center for Gun Policy and Research receives and/or has received funding from, among other sources...Bloomberg Philanthropies... Bloomberg Philanthropies encompasses all of the charitable giving for founder Michael R. Bloomberg Kristen Rand, the legislative director for the Violence Policy Center a Washington D.C.-based group in favor of gun control said she expects these kinds of bad shootings will increase in Illinois as time passes, based on what has happened in other states. "In Illinois now that youve had (concealed carry) a few years, she said, "it is similar to what you saw in Florida. The really bad things started happening after the law had been in place several years..and the VPC...founded by Josh Sugarmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted September 9, 2019 at 05:09 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 05:09 PM “It seems that there is this new social norm that if I have a firearm, I am authorized to pull this gun out and use it — even if I am not in danger,“ said Cassandra Crifasi, deputy director at the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. Oh what a pile of horse dungShe is lumping gangbangers with CCL holders which statistics show are more law abiding than the police. Propaganda by the Tribune in collaboration with Bloomberg funded Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted September 9, 2019 at 06:34 PM Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 06:34 PM The Tribune claims to have documented 62 shootings over 6 years from the 306,000 licensed CCL holders. They fail to point out is .02% of license holders and 99.08% did not fire their weapons.an interesting note is that the online edition had statistics from the Tribune database that were (conveniently) omitted from the print edition. Of the 62 instances were the CCL holder fired only 12 were charged with a crime. So 12 out of 306,000 is really .0039% or 99.9961% law abiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted September 9, 2019 at 06:44 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 06:44 PM Another CPS grad? That should be 99.9961%. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted September 9, 2019 at 06:59 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 06:59 PM Wouldn't this be the State Attorney's job and not the State Police? "We need to hold people accountable if they are unlawfully or unsafely using firearms," Crifasi said. "If we don't, they will continue to behave in an unlawful and unsafe manner." It's nobody's job to provide "oversight" of CCL holders, specifically. It's already the job of the police to investigate shootings, no matter who the shooter is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted September 9, 2019 at 07:14 PM Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 07:14 PM https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-concealed-carry-shootings-illinois-database-2019-htmlstory.html A link to the Tribune database. Note how many are marked as ASSAILANT ARMED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianj - now in Kansas Posted September 9, 2019 at 07:30 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 07:30 PM The Tribune claims to have documented 62 shootings over 6 years from the 306,000 licensed CCL holders. They fail to point out is .02% of license holders and 99.08% did not fire their weapons. The thing that she fails to point out is that 62 is a fair-to-middlin' weekend for the gangbangers downtown. According to HeyJackass, Chicago proper's already topped that in 9 days. And yet, somehow, concealed carriers are the problem. Bri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted September 9, 2019 at 08:53 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 08:53 PM Of the 62 shootings in more than 5 years: - 5 were clearly criminal acts including premeditated murder - 8 were rage, poor judgement and stupidity related - 1 was a negligent discharge while cleaning a gun at home - the other 48 were instances of self defense as intended by law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted September 9, 2019 at 10:27 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 10:27 PM Of the 62 shootings in more than 5 years: - 5 were clearly criminal acts including premeditated murder - 8 were rage, poor judgement and stupidity related - 1 was a negligent discharge while cleaning a gun at home - the other 48 were instances of self defense as intended by law They're focusing on a big nothing, in an attempt to demonize lawful gun owners. It's part of the Bloomberg Anti-gun, Anti-self defense agenda. I wonder why they don't run a front page story about every single weekend in Chicago, where more people are shot than in the entire time concealed carry has been legal in the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted September 9, 2019 at 10:36 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 10:36 PM Looks like someone from the area should write a letter to the editor to rebuke the falsehoods . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted September 9, 2019 at 11:18 PM Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 11:18 PM Looks like someone from the area should write a letter to the editor to rebuke the falsehoods .It has been done but they sure won’t print it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt guy Posted September 9, 2019 at 11:57 PM Share Posted September 9, 2019 at 11:57 PM These people get published . Thats how they win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted September 10, 2019 at 01:39 AM Share Posted September 10, 2019 at 01:39 AM Looks like someone from the area should write a letter to the editor to rebuke the falsehoods .It has been done but they sure won’t print it. I kinda figured as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggun 1 Posted September 10, 2019 at 03:25 AM Share Posted September 10, 2019 at 03:25 AM it,s articles lie this that show how crooked the democratic party has become and how low they will stoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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