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#1 kwc

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 09:05 PM

The Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board (CCLRB) is required to provide a monthly report to the Governor and to the General Assembly summarizing its decisions.  I've attached copies of these reports below and will continue to add more as I receive them.
 
Please note that these reports do not denote timeframe or location from which the applications were made.   The board may choose to group their reviews by location of origin, reason for the original objection, or based on another grouping, so don't get hung up on the fact that there are far more objections during one month than another.
 
Happy browsing,
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Posted 05 August 2016 - 09:10 PM

Attached is a summary of 2016 and 2017 CCLRB decisions (to date), including running totals of reviews and denials.  Please note that this reflects actions by the CCLRB starting in 2016 only.
 
I will attempt to make this a living document as the CCLRB submits additional reports.
 
Calendar Year 2016 summary:
 
- The CCLRB reviewed 2725 applications during 2016
- They affirmed denial for 437 of those applications
- % denials upheld in 2016 = 16%
- In other words, the CCLRB overturned 84% of the objections.

Update as of Jun 16, 2017:

- The CCLRB reviewed 1,803 applications in the first five months of 2017
- They affirmed denial for 10.1% of those applications. (Note that NONE of the 350 applications were affirmed in Jan.)
- Although there was a dip in April in the number of applications reviewed, May was a record month for the CCLRB (reviewed 456 applications)

Update as of Sep 15, 2017:

- The CCLRB reviewed 3,608 applications in the first eight months of 2017
- They affirmed denial for 13.7% of those applications
- In Aug 2017 the board set a new record for the number of applications reviewed (867)

 

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Edited by kwc, 15 September 2017 - 05:23 AM.

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 09:12 PM

Nice to see these summaries. I was in the review process for just under a year.

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 09:15 PM

Attached is a summary of 2016 CCLRB decisions, including running totals of reviews and denials.  Please note that this reflects ONLY 2016 actions by the CCLRB.

 

I will attempt to make this a living document as the CCLRB submits additional reports.

 

The bottom line: During the first half of 2016, the board denied licenses to 19 percent of the applicants it reviewed, and overturned the objection for 81% of the applications.

 

I find this very encouraging!


"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 04:53 AM

1st thank you for the work you provide . It must be a labor of love for you

 

Is there any way to find out Whom objected and why (for what reason) to an application

 

I think that would be a lot more useful



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 05:11 AM

1st thank you for the work you provide . It must be a labor of love for you
 
Is there any way to find out Whom objected and why (for what reason) to an application
 
I think that would be a lot more useful


Glad to do it... thanks for the "thanks"! :)

At the moment I'm having difficulty even getting summary stats (by city/county)--the FOIA officer now claims all CCLRB proceedings are exempt from FOIA, despite providing these data to me in May. I'm appealing it. But given this push-back it's unlikely they will provide details on the specific sources of the objections.
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Posted 06 August 2016 - 07:45 AM

Thanks for the effort, and it is good to see that the CCLRB is not just rubber-stamping objections. 

 

I appreciate your efforts to get and share this information. 

 

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 08:34 AM

Thanks KWC!  While I suspect Dart is the major objector and he needs to be spanked for his BS objections, I find it a bit discomforting that 19% were found a danger to self and community. Assuming the board is correct in these findings (which is still debatable) why are so many unqualified people even applying?  Makes me wonder if other states have similar stats for denials.



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 08:48 AM

Assuming the board is correct in these findings (which is still debatable) why are so many unqualified people even applying?  Makes me wonder if other states have similar stats for denials.


Since these are denials that have been elevated to the CCLRB, I'm not sure there is a way to compare these stats to those of other states. Most states don't have a similar process or review board.

Our overall denial rate is FAR less than this--it is below 1%. The CCLRB denials represent a small minority of applications.
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Posted 06 August 2016 - 08:51 AM

Thanks KWC!  While I suspect Dart is the major objector and he needs to be spanked for his BS objections,

I and I think many here do too

 

 

1st thank you for the work you provide . It must be a labor of love for you
 
Is there any way to find out Whom objected and why (for what reason) to an application
 
I think that would be a lot more useful


Glad to do it... thanks for the "thanks"! :)

At the moment I'm having difficulty even getting summary stats (by city/county)--the FOIA officer now claims all CCLRB proceedings are exempt from FOIA, despite providing these data to me in May. I'm appealing it. But given this push-back it's unlikely they will provide details on the specific sources of the objections.

 

KWC as quoted above in red

If you can find out Whom and why I think/hope you can find a pattern . If you can think of the Ammunition you could give Miss Molly B to at least try a give a good smack down and slapping too

 

That would put a smile on a whole lot of Faces


Edited by DoverGunner, 06 August 2016 - 08:52 AM.


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 09:01 AM

If you can find out Whom and why I think/hope you can find a pattern . If you can think of the Ammunition you could give Miss Molly B to at least try a give a good smack down and slapping too
 
That would put a smile on a whole lot of Faces


My prior FOIA request helps answer the "who," at least by county. Look at the pivot table in the spreadsheet Keith44 provided with those data (post #11) in this thread:

http://illinoiscarry...topic=61601&hl=

Agree that would be very helpful information.
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Posted 06 August 2016 - 04:09 PM

 

Assuming the board is correct in these findings (which is still debatable) why are so many unqualified people even applying?  Makes me wonder if other states have similar stats for denials.


Since these are denials that have been elevated to the CCLRB, I'm not sure there is a way to compare these stats to those of other states. Most states don't have a similar process or review board.

Our overall denial rate is FAR less than this--it is below 1%. The CCLRB denials represent a small minority of applications.

 

You are absolutely correct, I failed to look at the total denial rate instead of just the Board reviews.  Below 1% is very reasonable in the grand scheme of things.  Thanks!



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 06:00 PM

KWC I am not an accountant nor actuary all I saw in Post 11 was 1684 from Cook County and 1071 from Chicago

Sorry but we need to have more details , Who is making the objections in Cook & Chicago . The reasons for their objections .

I am going to say Piddly and Frivolous 



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 06:23 PM

KWC I am not an accountant nor actuary all I saw in Post 11 was 1684 from Cook County and 1071 from Chicago

Sorry but we need to have more details , Who is making the objections in Cook & Chicago . The reasons for their objections .

I am going to say Piddly and Frivolous 

 

Dart posts this info on the Cook Co Sheriff's website - or did the last time I looked.


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 06:24 PM

KWC I am not an accountant nor actuary all I saw in Post 11 was 1684 from Cook County and 1071 from Chicago
Sorry but we need to have more details , Who is making the objections in Cook & Chicago . The reasons for their objections .
I am going to say Piddly and Frivolous

Cook Co sheriff has a web page dedicated to their objections

http://www.cookcount..._and_carry.html

Edited by InterestedBystander, 06 August 2016 - 06:25 PM.

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 06:52 PM

From June 2016:

24 applicants pose both a danger to himself/herself or to others AND pose a threat
to public safety


Yet they still have FOID cards.
TRUMP 2016!

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 08:13 PM

 

KWC I am not an accountant nor actuary all I saw in Post 11 was 1684 from Cook County and 1071 from Chicago
Sorry but we need to have more details , Who is making the objections in Cook & Chicago . The reasons for their objections .
I am going to say Piddly and Frivolous

Cook Co sheriff has a web page dedicated to their objections

http://www.cookcount..._and_carry.html

 

Now I am more confused than a blind _ _ _ _ _ at a wienie roast . By the above those objections should not even have a FOID card . Yet they went through a class , paid $$$ for it and were denied . I cannot believe 3+K were that Stupid 

Does anyone else see where this is Going too  ??????????????

 

 

 

Cook County Applications
55,717
Total Sheriff's Office Objections
3,682

Basis for Concealed
Carry Objection
Objection
Count
*
Agg. Battery/Agg. Assault
519
Battery/Assault
505
Burglary/Theft/Robbery
160
Domestic Violence
1323
Drugs
173
False Personation of Police/Public Employee
32
Gang Affiliation/Arrest
257
Gun Crimes
1085
Mental Health
2
Murder
27
Orders of Protection
370
Sex Crimes
107
Stalking/Threat to Kill
6
Other
396

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 08:26 PM

3,682 applicants in Cook County were able to pass through the initial screening--they answered all questions to the satisfaction of the ISP, and successfully passed through the initial background check conducted by the ISP.  There were no disqualifying convictions in their records, at least to the knowledge of the ISP.  
 
Cook County objected to their applications due to other information (true or not) that led Cook County to conclude these applicants were a danger to themselves or others.  And most of that information, according to the chart on the Cook County sheriff's page, is based on arrests--not convictions.
 
I think most of those 3,682 applicants that were "Darted" believed they qualified, and decided to press forward with their applications.  The CCLRB appears to agree with most of them.

Edited by kwc, 07 August 2016 - 05:58 AM.

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 10:04 PM

Concerning the reasons listed:
1200 domestic violence - looks good on Dart's website and in the media but many were actually only reports of DV and were dismissed, a good number of these were found not guilty in court, and we know for a fact several were mistaken identity.

Gun crimes – many were based on past records of gun possession that was ruled unconstitutional by Heller and McDonald – some  have had those convictions vacated, others have had to explain this to the CCL RB and the objection was overruled.

Gang affiliation – this is where some objections were filed based on a “contact card” and officer wrote in comments “possible gang affiliation” with no other proof to substantiate.

Murder – These objections were not vetted for accuracy or not based on convictions.   Murder convictions (without a pardon or relief granted through the court after 20 years) would be denied by the Illinois State Police and never be entered into the objection process.  Those convictions are denied before reaching the point of being entered into the database that law enforcement reviews.

Other – Very possible these are from contact cards, calls to disturbances and the applicant was present and written into the report but possibly not charged–  maybe arrested but charges dropped, etc. , if there are convictions, the person would most likely fall under the ISP denial process, not the board.

 


Hence the reason the CCL Review Board is overriding 80-85% of the objections filed.
 


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Posted 07 August 2016 - 05:55 AM

Outstanding, Molly B. This is great to know.
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Posted 13 August 2016 - 10:30 AM

 

Attached is a summary of 2016 CCLRB decisions, including running totals of reviews and denials.  Please note that this reflects ONLY 2016 actions by the CCLRB.

 

I will attempt to make this a living document as the CCLRB submits additional reports.

 

The bottom line: During the first half of 2016, the board denied licenses to 19 percent of the applicants it reviewed, and overturned the objection for 81% of the applications.

 

I find this very encouraging!

 

Well I dont



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Posted 13 August 2016 - 10:31 AM

 

 

Attached is a summary of 2016 CCLRB decisions, including running totals of reviews and denials.  Please note that this reflects ONLY 2016 actions by the CCLRB.

 

I will attempt to make this a living document as the CCLRB submits additional reports.

 

The bottom line: During the first half of 2016, the board denied licenses to 19 percent of the applicants it reviewed, and overturned the objection for 81% of the applications.

 

I find this very encouraging!

 

Well I dont

 

I have been waiting since july 2015 and keep getting letters every 30 days stating they need 30 more days...



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Posted 06 October 2016 - 07:20 PM

Posts #1 and #2 have been updated with data from the July and August reports. In July, the CCLRB reviewed 291 applications and denied 40 of them. The CCLRB reviewed NO applications in August.

I've attempted to obtain county-by-county data twice, but the ISP FOIA officer keeps rejecting the request.

The first attempt in July requested a list of applications sent to the CCLRB (without names) and dates/statuses for each. I had successfully collected this information in April. When denied by the ISP, I appealed to the Attorney General's office and they upheld the denial.

This time, I requested summary totals only instead of a sanitized list of all applications elevated to the CCLRB. The ISP FOIA officer claims that even summary data cannot be disclosed.

The ISP gave the option to appeal (again) or sue the ISP. I plan to try another appeal on the grounds that I'm not asking for records of the CCLRB or objections from a law enforcement agency--just totals reported by county.

For the curious, my second request and the ISP's answer are below.

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My FOIA Request:
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2. Request summary statistics for every county in Illinois regarding FCCL applications sent to the CCLRB, to date, pursuant to 430 ILCS 66/20. Please provide data in a Microsoft Excel-compatible electronic format with the following column headings:

A. County
B. Total # CCL applications sent to CCLRB since licensing began
C. # of B. above ultimately denied
D. # of B. above ultimately issued
E. # of B. unresolved/awaiting decision by CCLRB

3. For applications currently awaiting a decision by the CCLRB, please provide the total number of applications submitted statewide awaiting resolution according to the length of time that has passed since the application was forwarded to the CCLRB, for the following duration categories:

< 3 months=________
3 to 6 months=________
6 months to 1 year=________
1 to 2 years=________
more than 2 years=________


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ISP FOIA Officer's Response:
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Your request for summary statistics for every county in Illinois and
applications awaiting a decision by the CCLRB: The Illinois State Police
Freedom of Information Officer is denying your request
for the reasons outlined below:

5 ILCS 140/7(1)(a) Disclosure of the information you have requested is
prohibited by federal or State law or rules and regulations implementing
such laws.

5 ILCS 140/ 7.5(v) Names and information of people who have applied for
or received Firearm Owner's Identification Cards under the Firearm Owners
Identification Card Act or applied for or received a concealed carry
license under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act, unless otherwise authorized
by the Firearm Concealed Carry Act; and databases under the Firearm
Concealed Carry Act, records of the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board
under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act, and law enforcement agency
objections under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act.

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Posted 12 October 2016 - 07:51 AM

Great work.. much appreciated and thank you!



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Posted 18 November 2016 - 05:25 PM

I've attempted to obtain county-by-county data twice, but the ISP FOIA officer keeps rejecting the request.

The first attempt in July requested a list of applications sent to the CCLRB (without names) and dates/statuses for each. I had successfully collected this information in April. When denied by the ISP, I appealed to the Attorney General's office and they upheld the denial.

This time, I requested summary totals only instead of a sanitized list of all applications elevated to the CCLRB. The ISP FOIA officer claims that even summary data cannot be disclosed.

The ISP gave the option to appeal (again) or sue the ISP. I plan to try another appeal on the grounds that I'm not asking for records of the CCLRB or objections from a law enforcement agency--just totals reported by county.

 

Unfortunately, despite submitting a revision to the request and limiting it to purely summary data, my appeal to the Attorney General was denied.  It looks as though I won't be able to collect either county-by-county rejections or lag time for applications awaiting review by the CCLRB.  ISP claims these data are all protected from FOIA and the Attorney General agrees with the ISP.

 

Sorry 'bout this...


Edited by kwc, 18 November 2016 - 05:26 PM.

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 05:33 PM

Nice work. Your efforts are much appreciated.



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 04:48 PM

Posts #1 and #2 have been updated to reflect the year-end totals.

 

Reiterating the bottom line:

 

- The CCLRB reviewed 2725 applications during 2016

- They affirmed denial for 437 of those applications

- % denials upheld in 2016 = 16%


"Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." - Galations 6:9 (NIV)

"If you can't explain it to a six-year old, you don't understand it yourself." - Albert Einstein (paraphrased)

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 04:57 PM

Thank you kwc...always appreciated.


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 11:16 AM

Looks like the average number of objections reviewed in the first 9 mos. of 2016 was 188.  In the last three months of the year it jumped to 343.

 

I hope this is a trend that continues to grow.


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 07:17 PM

At what point does it start to appear to the officials in Springfield that a lot of these objections are frivolous and that more stringent guidelines need to be developed for the police to follow in order to make an objection?


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