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#1 Akarnes87

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 12:09 PM

i applied for my ccl on jan 25,2019 and it says still under review 

i've tried calling no answer

i've tried to email no response 

 

im fed up with the bureaucracy to carry a firearm. i really want to know what is being done for resolution to hold the system responsible   



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 12:34 PM

The main force behind holding the system responsible is having a Gov. who will enforce the deadlines.  We don't have that any more. 

We are left to the courts and lawsuits.  Those take a lot of time.


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 01:30 PM

FWIW, I've had numerous of my students call me, asking about not getting their renewals processed within 30-60 days.  I have to tell them to just sit tight, it's still early yet compared to some of you folks.


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 02:11 PM

The main force behind holding the system responsible is having a Gov. who will enforce the deadlines.  We don't have that any more. 
We are left to the courts and lawsuits.  Those take a lot of time.


But have any actually been filed?
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 04:32 PM

You may try contacting your state senator or congressman, I know Senator Chuck Weaver has helped several people with their FOID card.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:46 PM

You may try contacting your state senator or congressman, I know Senator Chuck Weaver has helped several people with their FOID card.


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 05:20 AM

I have been wondering the same thing. I applied on Feb. 9th w/o prints and it's still saying "under review".


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 09:54 AM

Approaching 1 year on my appeal.With no response at all from ISP. When you consider all that's going on in Illinois.I would say it wouldn't be a stretch to say it's only going to get worse.I mean,we have four years to go & with the collar counties around Chicago falling in line with the gov.I remember seeing our present governor on tv saying."When I am elected.the NRA will have no place to hide".Not saying to give up,but "really" what can you do? How much do you spend to obtain your rights?If the state wants to sit on this.What can you do.What bothers me is that this is just a taste of things to come.If these people win the 2020 election.And maintain a majority as they do in Illinois.It's going to get ugly.The democrats will never get over the 2016 loss."Never".And they are going to do whatever they have to do to make sure it dosent happen again.



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Posted 15 June 2019 - 03:07 PM

It took us over 130 days to get our renewals (with out prints). With the current regime in power, it will get worse and worse too!



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Posted 15 June 2019 - 03:35 PM

My grandson (a minor) just got his 10 year FOID at around 30 days.

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Posted 15 June 2019 - 03:49 PM

Just checked again and now it says active. (126 days)


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 08:34 PM

 

The main force behind holding the system responsible is having a Gov. who will enforce the deadlines.  We don't have that any more. 
We are left to the courts and lawsuits.  Those take a lot of time.


But have any actually been filed?

 

With the 7th Circuit decision affirming that carry is a civil right, an excessive delay in the regulatory process would also be a 1983 federal civil rights violation. Should be a slam dunk suit when they're violating both Illinois law and Federal civil rights protections. There isn't a precedent that I'm aware of for what amount of delay is acceptable, but pretty sure that more than 120 days would be too much. There is also court precedent for proceeding with court decisions even though the state would probably get around to issuing the licenses in the meantime.


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Posted 17 June 2019 - 07:39 AM

I’m now at 122 days. Still says “under review” and my license expired on 4/15. I am still carrying on my expired license, since my timely renewal attempt is being neglected by the state. Two questions:

1) My CCL instructor informed us that our expired licenses are still valid, so long as we applied for renewal prior to the expiration and the application is still under review. Is this true, or am I breaking the law?

2) When a class action is eventually filed against the state, how do I make sure to sign on as a plaintiff?

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:07 AM

1) My CCL instructor informed us that our expired licenses are still valid, so long as we applied for renewal prior to the expiration and the application is still under review. Is this true, or am I breaking the law?


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Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:16 AM

1) My CCL instructor informed us that our expired licenses are still valid, so long as we applied for renewal prior to the expiration and the application is still under review. Is this true, or am I breaking the law?

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c) A license is invalid upon expiration of the license, unless the licensee has submitted an application to renew the license, and the applicant is otherwise eligible to possess a license under this Act.

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 09:20 AM

I'm at 137 days.  They can take their sweet time for all I care.  Free carry days.



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Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:24 PM

I'm at about 117 days with my fingerprints on file.  I don't worry too much in state since I'm sure any cop could see the renewal on the computer and read the law.

 

But I'm very concerned about reciprocity when I travel out of state.  Does anyone have insight on that issue?


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Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:31 PM

Took me around 140 days to go active without prints

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Posted 25 June 2019 - 06:36 PM

It has been since March 9th that I reapplied. Expired June 1st. THIS STATE SUCKS a**. I will probably get taxed for that last comment...



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Posted 25 June 2019 - 08:38 PM

The state gave themselves an out against any lawsuit. Typically a suit asks for some type of relief, but since your ccl remains active as long as you've applied for renewal then there is no relief to be gained. A lawsuit is a no win situation.
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Posted 25 June 2019 - 09:37 PM

I sent mine in on February 22nd no prints. Still under review. I am in amazement that it's been five year's & they still can't figure out how to do this right. I got my original license faster than this.

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Posted 25 June 2019 - 09:44 PM

It has been since March 9th that I reapplied. Expired June 1st. THIS STATE SUCKS a**. I will probably get taxed for that last comment...



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Posted 25 June 2019 - 09:47 PM

I agree this state p----s me off. When I retire I will not be living in this state anymore.

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 07:57 AM

After reading this thread I don't feel so bad being under review for 98 days.


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Posted 26 June 2019 - 10:09 PM

The state gave themselves an out against any lawsuit. Typically a suit asks for some type of relief, but since your ccl remains active as long as you've applied for renewal then there is no relief to be gained. A lawsuit is a no win situation.

In an unfortunate scenario, say a person is hurt and/or permanently injured in a self defense situation while under review 120+ days in (for a first time applicant/no carry). If they would have otherwise been armed, could the lawsuit be held on the grounds of their medical, pain and suffering, and future disability? Or worst case scenario, a person dies and family sues for wrongful death caused by the state over their denied right to self defense? It's a stretch but possible... I think.



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Posted 01 July 2019 - 06:36 PM


The state gave themselves an out against any lawsuit. Typically a suit asks for some type of relief, but since your ccl remains active as long as you've applied for renewal then there is no relief to be gained. A lawsuit is a no win situation.


In an unfortunate scenario, say a person is hurt and/or permanently injured in a self defense situation while under review 120+ days in (for a first time applicant/no carry). If they would have otherwise been armed, could the lawsuit be held on the grounds of their medical, pain and suffering, and future disability? Or worst case scenario, a person dies and family sues for wrongful death caused by the state over their denied right to self defense? It's a stretch but possible... I think.


(430 ILCS 66/45)
Sec. 45. Civil immunity; Board, employees, and agents. The Board, Department, local law enforcement agency, or the employees and agents of the Board, Department, or local law enforcement agency participating in the licensing process under this Act shall not be held liable for damages in any civil action arising from alleged wrongful or improper granting, denying, renewing, revoking, suspending, or failing to grant, deny, renew, revoke, or suspend a license under this Act, except for willful or wanton misconduct.
(Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13.)
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Posted 02 July 2019 - 12:25 AM

 

The state gave themselves an out against any lawsuit. Typically a suit asks for some type of relief, but since your ccl remains active as long as you've applied for renewal then there is no relief to be gained. A lawsuit is a no win situation.


In an unfortunate scenario, say a person is hurt and/or permanently injured in a self defense situation while under review 120+ days in (for a first time applicant/no carry). If they would have otherwise been armed, could the lawsuit be held on the grounds of their medical, pain and suffering, and future disability? Or worst case scenario, a person dies and family sues for wrongful death caused by the state over their denied right to self defense? It's a stretch but possible... I think.


(430 ILCS 66/45)
Sec. 45. Civil immunity; Board, employees, and agents. The Board, Department, local law enforcement agency, or the employees and agents of the Board, Department, or local law enforcement agency participating in the licensing process under this Act shall not be held liable for damages in any civil action arising from alleged wrongful or improper granting, denying, renewing, revoking, suspending, or failing to grant, deny, renew, revoke, or suspend a license under this Act, except for willful or wanton misconduct.
(Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13.)

 

That is trash. Is "willfull or wanton" even able to be proven? I hate this state's govt and laws.....



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Posted 02 July 2019 - 05:45 AM

Can you still sue them for deprivation of rights under color of law?

 

They can't deny / violate your rights and then think they can hide behind their 430 ILCS 66/45 clause.






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