GLOCK22 Posted August 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM Quick question on carrying in a vehicle. If it's in the car, but openly carried on the seat in a holster, does it still qualify as concealed? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipshot Percussion Posted August 2, 2015 at 01:16 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 01:16 PM If someone passing by can see your gun, then it's not concealed. There are some here who believe the law is worded differently, but that's not my take on it. Throw a magazine or a hat over it as a 'just in case'. And, you may want to rethink your avatar before Molly sees it. It's in violation of the sites TOS. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted August 2, 2015 at 01:22 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 01:22 PM If you can see it is it concealed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted August 2, 2015 at 01:30 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 01:30 PM It's gotta be covered up. If you need to leave it in the car just lay it on the passenger seat and throw some PMAGs on top to cover it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted August 2, 2015 at 02:02 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 02:02 PM The summarized legal definition as this layman sees it, On or about your person on within your vehicle mostly hidden from sight. Though I wouldn't recommend testing the mostly and try to keep it completely hidden, the "mostly" is to protect your from unintentional displays and printing. I am looking at something like this as an improvement on how I currently vehicle carry, but would prefer if the holster inside the padded case was kydex, http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/05/9-vehicle-based-gun-safes-and-holster-mounts/#grassburr-leather-works-mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgl26 Posted August 2, 2015 at 02:32 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 02:32 PM Window tint or a big lift work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOCK22 Posted August 2, 2015 at 02:33 PM Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 02:33 PM I drive a truck, and I like to keep it in a holster wedged between my seat and the center console which folds down. The butt of the gun is all that's exposed, and not subject to normal scrutiny by passers by unless someone was to come up to the window and actually look for it. I also sometimes shed my outer shirt when I'm in the truck. Again, with the console down, it's not very visible. My local police chief is okay with doffing the shirt if I'm carrying on my person. I just throw the shirt back on before I exit the vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted August 2, 2015 at 02:46 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 02:46 PM Quick question on carrying in a vehicle. If it's in the car, but openly carried on the seat in a holster, does it still qualify as concealed? Thanks.NO! In post 7 you then changed your hypothetical to "it's not very visible" so if someone other than your police chief walks up to your car will he see your "not very visible" firearm? So if he/she sees it is will you tell him/her that it is concealed or mostly concealed. This has been debated before and you can go round and round about it. If LEO sees it then you could have a problem. Let us know how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted August 2, 2015 at 02:52 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 02:52 PM Someone with legal authority once explained to me that it was his opinion that the firearm had to be concealed from view of any passenger who may or may not be in the vehicle with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen-in-Normal Posted August 2, 2015 at 03:15 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 03:15 PM I have put my carry gun in the door when I've been driving on long trips. It is out of sight but I still put something over it, just in case. Keep it put of sight! Sent from my SM-T320 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted August 2, 2015 at 03:56 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 03:56 PM The bone-heads in Springfield didn't get there because they're proficient at crafting good laws, they got there because they're good at lying to voters. They parse out the jobs for staff as political favors and not based on competency. Then you have an arrogant tyrant like Madigan ruling over the legislative process and playing brinkmanship politics to the very last second and his eleventh-hour maneuvering results in bad law. But they don't really care because the ensuing lawsuits puts money into the pockets of politically connected lawyers. Add to the mix that we have some very bad judges in Illinois - who will legislate from the bench at the behest of Madigan and the Chicago Political Machine. IMO we don't have solid case law on this. Someone with legal authority once explained to me that it was his opinion that the firearm had to be concealed from view of any passenger who may or may not be in the vehicle with you. I don't agree with this. Your passengers are not part of the public, IMO. The rule that I've set for myself is that if I have my car parked on the curb - either the passenger side or the driver's side of the car - parked on the curb ala parallel parking and the gun is not visible to people walking down the sidewalk - then my gun is "mostly concealed from view of the public" , IMO. The other criteria that I use is that if my car is parked against the curb and someone is feeding the parking meters, would the gun be easily seen if someone were to casually look in my vehicle from their vantage point at the parking meter. I don't use the criteria of someone walking right up to my vehicle and looking in the window, and if I had to make a gun completely concealed from passengers, that adds considerable time to being able to deploy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted August 2, 2015 at 05:47 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 05:47 PM I would think you would want it hidden to keep people from seeing it and stealing it, no matter what the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted August 2, 2015 at 06:12 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 06:12 PM I rarely have my firearm in a place where someone can see it, but if I were to keep it on the seat next to me, I'd put a newspaper, magazine, shirt, whatever on top of it. That conceals it from view and still allows you access to it if you need it quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted August 2, 2015 at 06:45 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 06:45 PM I rarely have my firearm in a place where someone can see it, but if I were to keep it on the seat next to me, I'd put a newspaper, magazine, shirt, whatever on top of it. That conceals it from view and still allows you access to it if you need it quickly. And if you slam on the brakes does it end up on the floor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted August 2, 2015 at 06:54 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 06:54 PM I rarely have my firearm in a place where someone can see it, but if I were to keep it on the seat next to me, I'd put a newspaper, magazine, shirt, whatever on top of it. That conceals it from view and still allows you access to it if you need it quickly.And if you slam on the brakes does it end up on the floor? Not if you do this: https://youtu.be/IzkEFWrMVys?t=29s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted August 2, 2015 at 06:55 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 06:55 PM The 1986 Miami FBI Shootout. Special Agent Richard Manauzzi had pulled out his service revolver and placed it on the seat in anticipation of a shootout but the force of the collision flung open his door and sent his weapon flying. Manauzzi didn't fire a shot during the entire encounter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted August 2, 2015 at 07:04 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 07:04 PM I rarely have my firearm in a place where someone can see it, but if I were to keep it on the seat next to me, I'd put a newspaper, magazine, shirt, whatever on top of it. That conceals it from view and still allows you access to it if you need it quickly. And if you slam on the brakes does it end up on the floor?Not if you do this: https://youtu.be/IzkEFWrMVys?t=29sYa but what about the gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted August 2, 2015 at 07:16 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 07:16 PM And if you slam on the brakes does it end up on the floor?Not if you do this: Ya but what about the gun? I'm not arguing with you, I just gave an option if someone must keep it on the seat for whatever reason. I personally always carry appendix to as far back as 3 o'clock so drawing while seated is easily done. The only time I did carry it off my body is when I was in a suit and didn't feel like wrestling with my pants, belt, and holster to get the gun back on so I just jammed the gun and holster in between the seat and gear shifter, then dropped a magazine (periodical) on top of it. It kept the gun where I placed it and didn't really matter how hard I slammed on the brakes, it would've stayed right where I put it. Obviously sitting it on the seat next to you isn't as tactically sound as between the seat as I mentioned above, or even better, on you. Stopping short is the way to go though LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted August 2, 2015 at 08:06 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 08:06 PM Bought some towels similar in color to my interior and drop them over anything that I don't want visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Posted August 2, 2015 at 08:25 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 08:25 PM You wouldn't want it visible to someone driving a taller vehicle, nor would I want it loose where it could slide to the floor, out of reach, on hard braking or an accident. The glove compartment or console is a viable option, and constitutes a "closed container" under Illinois law. Reaching for the glove compartment is tantamount to brandishing, and may provoke a violent or irrational reaction. Reaching for a console compartment is not particularly discrete either. Discretion is important if you aren't sure the extent of a threat, or are being closely observed (e.g., someone at the window). I keep mine in an holster on my person unless I leave the vehicle in a prohibited zone. Then it's locked up, out of sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted August 2, 2015 at 10:10 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 10:10 PM And if you slam on the brakes does it end up on the floor?Not if you do this: https://youtu.be/IzkEFWrMVys?t=29sYa but what about the gun? I'm not arguing with you, I just gave an option if someone must keep it on the seat for whatever reason. I personally always carry appendix to as far back as 3 o'clock so drawing while seated is easily done. The only time I did carry it off my body is when I was in a suit and didn't feel like wrestling with my pants, belt, and holster to get the gun back on so I just jammed the gun and holster in between the seat and gear shifter, then dropped a magazine (periodical) on top of it. It kept the gun where I placed it and didn't really matter how hard I slammed on the brakes, it would've stayed right where I put it. Obviously sitting it on the seat next to you isn't as tactically sound as between the seat as I mentioned above, or even better, on you. Stopping short is the way to go though LOL.Not arguing either. I thought it was a clever joke. I used to use that tactic too. LOL My wife doesn't think it is funny as I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted August 3, 2015 at 08:09 AM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 08:09 AM Lots of opinions about the law in this thread that bear little correlation with what the law actually says. "Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed from view of the public or on or about a person within a vehicle. If it's on or about a person within a vehicle, it's legal. Whether it's a good idea or not is a different matter. I would strongly advise keeping it out of view of casual inspection. Having it loose in the vehicle does have some hazards as well. The wording of the law is important, as it allows exposure of the firearm while disarming for GFZs as required by law. The definition is an important adjunct to the vehicle safe harbor. But best not to abuse it, lest it become a target for future restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadyRunner Posted August 3, 2015 at 11:30 AM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 11:30 AM Highlighting just the needed section.... OR on or about a person within a vehicle.Technically, per the statute, openly on the seat next to you is compliant. Not a good idea to be sure, but legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted August 3, 2015 at 01:11 PM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 01:11 PM Better to tuck it in between the seat and center console, or just keep it on your person. But on the seat is legal per the wording of the FCCA as stated above. All of the advice saying it NEEDS to be covered up in the vehicle is opinion, not fact. Is it a good idea to keep it out of view? Yes. Is it legal not to? Yes. I often remove my cover garment when in my vehicle. And am completely legal doing so. Some feel that I'm open carrying. That's their opinion. Not fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:03 PM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:03 PM The FCCA also says: (c ) A license shall be valid throughout the State for a period of 5 years from the date of issuance. A license shall permit the licensee to: (1) carry a loaded or unloaded concealed firearm, fully concealed or partially concealed, on or about his or her person; and (2) keep or carry a loaded or unloaded concealed firearm on or about his or her person within a vehicle. It says the license permits you to carry a CONCEALED firearm on or about you in a vehicle. It is important to be familiar with the entire FCCA, not just the parts we like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:13 PM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:13 PM The FCCA also says: (c ) A license shall be valid throughout the State for a period of 5 years from the date of issuance. A license shall permit the licensee to: (1) carry a loaded or unloaded concealed firearm, fully concealed or partially concealed, on or about his or her person; and (2) keep or carry a loaded or unloaded concealed firearm on or about his or her person within a vehicle.It says the license permits you to carry a CONCEALED firearm on or about you in a vehicle. It is important to be familiar with the entire FCCA, not just the parts we like.Yes, it is very important to be familiar with the entire FCCA. Including the definitions. "Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed from view of the public or on or about a person within a vehicle. There's no requirement for the firearm to be concealed from view within the vehicle. The vehicle provides the concealment. If they intended the firearm to be concealed the same way as carried while outside of a vehicle, the "or on or about a person within a vehicle" would say "or on or about a person concealed or mostly concealed while in in a vehicle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:18 PM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:18 PM This is the whole "chicken or the egg" thing, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:35 PM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:35 PM Haha the entire FCCA is a chicken and egg thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jatwood29 Posted August 3, 2015 at 04:09 PM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 04:09 PM ............. Reaching for the glove compartment is tantamount to brandishing,...................That is interesting to me. Is that your opinion or do mean this as legal fact. If the later, I would be curious to see the case law or something that backs that up if you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted August 3, 2015 at 04:12 PM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 04:12 PM I've been told to shut up on this issue. Just don't read the law, whatever you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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