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On occasion he has baited them into a frenzy. I actually love that. My only problem is when he Tweets about something that's clearly beneath his office and is usually personal. The MSM runs with it, he is just a human being and they just keep pounding it into the ground.

I actually love when he Tweets something that leaves everybody guessing and it gives them days to speculate on what he meant and gives them a chance to make ***** out of themselves. We are on the same side here, it's just on occasion he should just not Tweet.

 

He could accomplish so much if wasn't for the entire Democratic Party not even trying to do what's right for the Country and listen to reason. It also doesn't help when he has Republicans who stand against him for stupid reasons. Congress should be working together to make this a better Country. Instead the Dems stick to their party lines and a few Republicans need a kick in the head.you

You said "My only problem is when he Tweets about something that's clearly beneath his office and is usually personal.."

 

Those are the ones I'm talking about. Shocking. Personal. motional. Those are the manipulative ones.

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There's a lot more at stake then state funded abortion in this election.

 

What is more important than stopping the spending of tax payer money to murder unborn infants?
[purple] One less liberal, one less welfare recipient, one less special snowflake my kids have to accommodate at school, one less kid dumbing down and liberalism the school system, one less kid my kid has to compete with in this everyone goes to college society, one less potential criminal.

 

Really, if you guys hate liberals so much why are abortion bad when only liberals get abortions? It's kind of a self administered eugenics program. Quite frankly I think it's the best use of my tax dollars yet! [/purple]

 

Quite frankly I'm disappointed that Rauner didn't fulfill what the liberals told me he promised, to make fully automatic assault rifles legal.

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There's a lot more at stake then state funded abortion in this election.

What is more important than stopping the spending of tax payer money to murder unborn infants?

 

 

I'll leave it at "Quite A Lot" and let you figure it out. If either realistic candidate gets elected HB40 doesn't change. If Pritzker gets elected a bunch of things we take for granted do. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how Pritzker getting elected changes the entire picture.

Basically do you think that Ives who isn't remotely a realistic candidate just makes HB40 go away? It's a Law, like it or not. Plus I don't see Ives name on the Thomas More Society lawsuit which is the only chance to block HB40. Tomorrow should be interesting.

 

 

So keep voting for the guy who gave us HB40...? When will you turn on the guy? Would you still vote for Rauner's re-election if he signed a bump stock ban? Assault weapons ban? I mean, is there any limit?

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"I don't think you're hearing me. I don't expect governor Rauner to overturn Roe v. Wade. I DID expect him to continue the ban on using public money to fund abortions. He just couldn't avoid doing that. I can't understand why. Are you aware that Illinois is the only state that allows tax money to be used for abortion? And it happened because a Republican governor signed off on it? That's not acceptable."

 

 

Until more people oppose then approve of Roe v. Wade it won't be overturned regardless if it goes against your beliefs. Abortion is a very touchy subject but it seems right now it's Ives only real argument. It is the one thing she is constantly saying: "Rauner signed HB40." She will need a much better argument, plus a plan and ALOT of money to stand a chance in the primary. Do you realize that your statement of "Illinois is the only state that allows tax money to be used for abortion" is COMPLETELY WRONG? There are 17 states that use tax money to be used for abortions so you might want to do some fact checking.

 

 

There are currently 17 states who use their own state funds to provide abortions and similar services. These states include Alaska, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Washington, and West Virginia. California spent more then 27 million dollars on more then 83,000 abortions in 2014.

 

 

I hear you bright and clear. You don't like what Rauner did. You wont vote for him. You like Ives because she has the same mindset. That's your right. I'm just being realistic. She doesn't stand a chance because she doesn't have nearly enough money to win. That leaves Rauner who has had Madigan being a total PITA his entire term OR Pritzker. I will vote for anybody who is Pritzgers opponent. That's going to be Rauner. That's my right. You can vote or not, I don't care but make no mistake about it, if you don't vote AGAINST Pritzker it's the same as voting for him. There's a lot more at stake then state funded abortion in this election.

1) One more time...I didn't expect Roe v. Wade to be overturned. I only expected a Republican governor to refuse to use public funds to pay for abortions.

 

2) I stand corrected on how many states use public money for abortions. It doesn't matter. It's wrong no matter how many states do it. If you want to murder your baby, pay for it yourself. I mean, wouldn't it be patently ridiculous to use tax money to buy guns for citizens who can't afford to buy guns for themselves? Do you believe the right to own a gun is more, less, or equal of a right as getting an abortion?

 

3) No, sorry, Ives is not a single-issue candidate. You should watch some of her videos on youtube. She's giving speeches and doing debates on the floor of the legislature about a myriad of topics...including the state's inexcusable spending problem (which Rauner has been completely ineffective in doing anything about).

 

4) A refusal to vote isn't a vote for anyone. You can say that all you want. I prefer a clear conscience to a lesser-of-two-evils. I can tolerate quite a lot. I can hold my nose and vote for a person who I don't particularly care for. I will not, however, compromise on using my money to murder babies. Sorry. This state is finished anyway. Rauner really was the last hope and he botched it. The state is bankrupt ant that's going to spiral right down the toilet. They refuse to cut spending (or can't) and the more you raise taxes, the more people will leave...just exacerbating the problem. Now we are shielding illegal immigrants from deportation...just insuring that the state will turn more and more commie with time. A Republican governor put the nail in the coffin. When the state is full of illegal immigrants who vote and drive and don't pay taxes and take all the low-skilled jobs...what kind of state will we have? Probably one that bans guns...thanks to a "Republican" governor you're arguing to keep.

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B R I N G I N G T H E C O N V E R S A T I O N B A C K O N T O P I C . . .

 

Ives' running mate is former Representative Rich Morthland. I don't know if anyone remembers, but during his service in Springfield, Mr. Morthland was the main sponsor of HB3500, the FOID Privacy Act, that prohibited Attorney General Lisa Madigan from releasing the name and address of every FOID card holder to one of the Chicago newspapers.

 

I had the privilege of meeting Mr. Morthland at the Rock Island County Right To Carry Town Hall back in 2012. Despite being recently trampled by a bull on his farm, Mr. Morthland showed up to the Town Hall meeting in crutches to express his support for right to carry in Illinois. He is currently an instructor at Black Hawk College in Moline.

 

He's a great Second Amendment supporter, and I'm glad to see him on the ticket.

 

 

-- Frank

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This thread pretty much affirms what I already thought of Jeanne Ives, she just wants to use this election as her Roe v Wade smackdown platform.

 

The last thing we need is her and Rauner to have a conservative-off in the local news and papers in a highly contested election in a North VS. South blue/red state.

 

Rauner can't get anything done, and that's just fine. We need someone in the governer's house to stand against the machine. Otherwise Skeletor bankrupts our state.

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There's no way she's going to be on the primary ticket, but she can cause the Bernie Sanders effect.

 

And you can bet all the papers and TV will give her coverage and ask Rauner to respond to whatever accusations she throws out about his time in office.

 

It serves 2 purposes, it will make Rauner look more ultraconservative (not a good thing), and it will back up the picture the Dems want to paint of him being ineffective in in office. Which as we all know as long as Madigan is speaker all you can do as a Republican governor is veto and often get overruled.

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Rauner has a very good chance, Illinois is a Red state down South so it balances us out from totally going to heck.

 

Rauner can't get anything done, but he can make bad things not get done with veto power when there isn't 2/3 vote to overturn.

 

Despite what Madigan would like to believe Illinois is not just Crook County. More and more people are getting tired of their tax dollars going to support Madigans ponzi scheme in gov workers and education.

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So what about Kennedy? I realize his war chest is far smaller then Pritzker's but he could get a lot more in out of state astroturf cash.

 

He hasn't really taken position on a lot of issues becauses he's studying the demographics. Obviously he's using his family as a reason to be antigun, but that's about it. Also, for a Kennedy there seems to be very little dirt other then a failed no bid construction project http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-chris-kennedy-cleveland-20171115-story.html

 

And that Kennedy name recognition goes a long way with the left. Which one has the union connection?

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Glad I'm not an Illinois resident any more. The current issue of National Review has Rauner on the cover. The headline is "The Worst Republican Governor in America".

 

Rauner has had three years. Has he done anything positive for Illinois? IMO Pritzker will beat him big time. Why? Because Pritzker gets Crook and the increasingly socialist collar counties, plus Rauner loses the downstate supporters who are disgusted with him. Pritzker will then proceed, under Madigan's direction, to turn Illinois into a pure socialist paradise.

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I think the Cook suburban towns and other collar counties are turning pretty red these days. We're tired of our Illinois taxes funding the City of Chicago dysfunction. There's already one neighbor that has a Rauner sign up in his yard.

 

The economy's good so people are more (upset) about taxes then usual. Despite the crime being out of control in the city the suburban police forces aren't hampered yet, so crime is mostly a city problem.

 

I think the mudslinging between Kennedy and Pritzker might enforce that.

 

What exactly do you expect from Rauner? I wouldn't call him dysfunctional by choice.

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Glad I'm not an Illinois resident any more. The current issue of National Review has Rauner on the cover. The headline is "The Worst Republican Governor in America".

 

Rauner has had three years. Has he done anything positive for Illinois? IMO Pritzker will beat him big time. Why? Because Pritzker gets Crook and the increasingly socialist collar counties, plus Rauner loses the downstate supporters who are disgusted with him. Pritzker will then proceed, under Madigan's direction, to turn Illinois into a pure socialist paradise.

 

You do realize that National Review is a FAR LEFT publication? I don't recalling them having an issue with "The Worst Democrat Governor in America". As for Rauner having three whole years to turn Illinois around after decades of the Dems running it into the ground, never going to happen. Especially with Madigan being the puppet master for more than 20 years.

 

IMO I don't think he loses as many votes as you think downstate. Some yes, but probably in the single digits. Lets see how this plays out especially after Pritzker and Kennedy square off in the primary like two spoiled children. They have enough dirt on each other to wreck themselves. When the people of Cook County find out that Billionaire Pritzker pays less in property taxes then some of them, do you think they will be happy about that?

 

 

Don't know how you can call the National Review a left wing magazine. William F. Buckley founded it and he was about as far from a lefty as you can get. I have been a subscriber for several years and can assure you it has a conservative agenda. Maybe you're thinking of another magazine?

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Rauner is out. If you thought he was in the past few years, he was definitely out when he frustratedly declared "I'm not in charge". We all get his point, Madigan runs things, but if you are the Governor, you simply don't say "I'm not in charge" if you expect to be re-elected......hmmmm.......maybe Rauner knows this?

 

I don't vote for democrats, never will. Like id did for Rauner, i will support a republican for governor.

 

Pritzker will absolutely bury this state. If he doesn't take the minimum wage up to 15 bucks in his first two months I'd be surprised. And that's when the last of the companies and businesses with low/no skill manufacturing jobs and other sectors will pour out of the state.

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Ok, you understand the repercussions your "no-vote." Some people don't. Lot's of "no-votes" from people who were "rubbed the wrong way" by Trump. Made them feel like they were making a significant stand. Glad Trump still won.

Unfortunately, I'm in the same boat. I'll keep the RINOs around until they cross one of my lines, those are 2A, abortion primarily. (Well there's one more big one, but...) I'll have to leave the bubble blank next to Rauner, just like I did Kirk.

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