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#1 Craigcelia

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 05:52 PM

Had some guy call me up, said he knows a guy that we did a private class for which he gave the right name so I don't doubt him - he says he already passed "an online qualification" (He took one of those Virginia CCL online classes).  He said he just wants to pay me for the cost of the Illinois class without actually attending and asked if I would provide a certificate for him.  He said he didn't have time to sit through 16 hours.  Sure buddy, no problem....

 

Sounded like an older italian guy.  I really couldn't believe he asked that.  Then after telling him we don't operate that way, he asked if we offer a "fast class".  

 

Wow....

 

 

 

 



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 05:55 PM

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:05 PM

Sounds like your typical Chicagoan, its to bad he doesn't work for the government or something were he can actually be useful lol.   But yeah that's not worth risking your butt over. Good Call.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:09 PM

But yeah that's not worth risking your butt over. Good Call.
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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:11 PM

Hi,

I vaguely smell the whiff of an attempted sting.

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:11 PM

ISP setup???
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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:52 PM

Sounds like your typical Chicagoan, its to bad he doesn't work for the government or something were he can actually be useful lol.   But yeah that's not worth risking your butt over. Good Call.

Yeah.... I'm thinking he DOES work for the government. 



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:07 PM

Exactly what does an "old Italian guy" sound like?  



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:09 PM

Exactly what does an "old Italian guy" sound like?


Yea, I resemble that remark !

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:17 PM

Exactly what does an "old Italian guy" sound like?  

 

 

Like Paulie Walnuts ?


 

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:25 PM

Exactly what does an "old Italian guy" sound like?

https://youtu.be/Yr_ucZEWRUo

Edited by Davey, 19 February 2018 - 07:26 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:27 PM

Tell him your "fast class" can be completed in only two days instead of 16 hours.



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:36 PM

Don't get me wrong, instructors provide valuable experience, but it should be optional. Especially since it takes like 3 months for the card to arrive.

My time is precious, I won't learn anything I don't know already in 16 hours, and only reason it exists is that it makes it harder to get the CCW.



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:39 PM

Well, it IS Illinois. Corruption is the norm.

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:41 PM

Exactly what does an "old Italian guy" sound like?  

Several of my uncles come to mind...



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:50 PM

Tell him you offer a short class, just heavy on the legal stuff and to show up at a place with a couple of other students you have lined up.....

 

Who happen to be ISP in civvies.......

 

Let your imagine take it from there. Call it building bridges with the authorities.

 

 

Personally, I have no tolerance for those that think they can just skate by instead of doing it the right way. Rules are rules, even the ones I don't really agree with. And if it is a sting....well it would give them something to talk about in the squad room the next day while watching themselves on youtube.



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:08 PM

Exactly what does an "old Italian guy" sound like?  

I'm Italian. I know what Italian sounds like. He definately was the Goombah type!

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:26 PM

I kinda hope it was a sting and they find the guys who might be willing to do it.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:27 PM

ISP setup???

It's not a setup. He specifically named the guy I did a class for. This guy was Italian as well.

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:30 PM

Exactly what does an "old Italian guy" sound like?

Yea, I resemble that remark !

Now, now... He sounded like my father....of course Lou, you probably could be my father.........J

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:44 PM

Unfortunately believable. Quick cert or possible sting op.

Would not be a surprise.

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This goes to all you younger guys. It's not worth it.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 09:05 PM

Craig,

 

I actually laughed when I read this. My wife's family is 100% off the boat Italian. The dress code at family parties for her side years ago was leisure suits and lots of gold. These days, it's tee shirts and jogging pants, and yeah, still lots of gold. They're awesome, friendly people. It took them a while to accept my Irish(ness) but they came around. Hope you, Kevin and your family's are all doing well man. 

 

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 10:45 PM

Craig,
 
I actually laughed when I read this. My wife's family is 100% off the boat Italian. The dress code at family parties for her side years ago was leisure suits and lots of gold. These days, it's tee shirts and jogging pants, and yeah, still lots of gold. They're awesome, friendly people. It took them a while to accept my Irish(ness) but they came around. Hope you, Kevin and your family's are all doing well man. 
 
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Posted 20 February 2018 - 08:57 AM

Not just an IL thing. We had a guy in central Texas a few years ago that was his way of doing business - pay his price, get your signed form to send to the state, no class or range time. He got caught when a guy bought one for himself and his wife, and the wife got nervous. She reported it to DPS, and everyone had their licenses revoked. Never heard the final disposition on the crooked instructor.

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:03 AM

 

Exactly what does an "old Italian guy" sound like?

https://youtu.be/Yr_ucZEWRUo

 

 

Great clip.  I imagined this guy was talking more with his hands...



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 03:03 PM

 

Exactly what does an "old Italian guy" sound like?


Yea, I resemble that remark !

 

I was going to suggest that CIV give you a call to hear that melodious voice!!


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 03:58 PM

Just out of curiosity. Did you recently give the ISP your training roster?



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 05:20 PM

ISP would know the names of folks you trained because your instructor number is on their certificates. Just because he says he was referred by one of your former students and gives you his name doesn't make it so. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:37 PM

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:03 PM

Had some guy call me up, said he knows a guy that we did a private class for which he gave the right name so I don't doubt him - he says he already passed "an online qualification" (He took one of those Virginia CCL online classes).  He said he just wants to pay me for the cost of the Illinois class without actually attending and asked if I would provide a certificate for him.  He said he didn't have time to sit through 16 hours.  Sure buddy, no problem....

 

Sounded like an older italian guy.  I really couldn't believe he asked that.  Then after telling him we don't operate that way, he asked if we offer a "fast class".  

 

Wow....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Offer him the "fast class" where you pack all 16 hours of content into 15hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds. Sign in to receive credit closes 10 minutes before the start of the first session.






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