DDM Posted August 25, 2015 at 01:35 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 01:35 AM Can there be any truth to this? Sorry if in wrong section. Please move if needed. http://www.youngcons.com/illinois-is-now-allowing-muslims-to-wear-burqas-for-driver-license-photos/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted August 25, 2015 at 01:47 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 01:47 AM I believe it. They are just getting ready for voter photo id. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted August 25, 2015 at 01:48 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 01:48 AM It's not true, Muslim women are allowed to wear a hijab that covers the head, but not a burqa that covers the face. This has always been the law here This is the flyer the DMV sent out http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_a296.pdf Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDM Posted August 25, 2015 at 02:07 AM Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 02:07 AM Thank you for that. It helped settle an arguement on another page. Some guy from California posted this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted August 25, 2015 at 02:47 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 02:47 AM I've seen women driving while wearing a burkha, how they see I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted August 25, 2015 at 02:52 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 02:52 AM I want to wear a fez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadWaterBill Posted August 25, 2015 at 03:09 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 03:09 AM No fez fer me. My OLD 10 gal Stetson still keeps my head face and ears from getting a sunburn and the rain off of my glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagSlap Posted August 25, 2015 at 03:34 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 03:34 AM I want to wear a fez. http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/barefootandpregnant/files/2013/12/fezzes-are-cool.gif(Yes...I am a long time Doctor Who fan.. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted August 25, 2015 at 05:33 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 05:33 AM Pastafarians can wear the holy colander on their heads in DL photos, as it's an established, legitimately recognized religion. http://imgick.syracuse.com/home/syr-media/width620/img/news/photo/2014/11/18/16366760-mmmain.jpg May His Noodly Appendage bless your sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted August 25, 2015 at 10:09 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 10:09 AM If Terry Thomas could pull off a bowler hat and a cigarette holder, DMV should be good with me. http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/terry-thomas_8713.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted August 25, 2015 at 11:27 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 11:27 AM I have requested ms snoots know her place in the kitchen makin sammichs while i watch the bears and she is to wear a burka while makin my sammich..it has not gone over well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted August 25, 2015 at 11:28 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 11:28 AM Suzy Chapstick gets to wear a shiny silver ski mask for hers, then, right? For that matter, burglars should get to wear them, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blythes Posted August 25, 2015 at 11:56 AM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 11:56 AM It's not true, Muslim women are allowed to wear a hijab that covers the head, but not a burqa that covers the face. This has always been the law here This is the flyer the DMV sent out http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_a296.pdf Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Photographs increase public safety. [from the above PDF] In other words, we need a digital photograph of your face for our face detection and scanning software to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted August 25, 2015 at 12:54 PM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 12:54 PM It's not true, Muslim women are allowed to wear a hijab that covers the head, but not a burqa that covers the face. This has always been the law here This is the flyer the DMV sent out http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_a296.pdf Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk It's not true, Muslim women are allowed to wear a hijab that covers the head, but not a burqa that covers the face. This has always been the law here This is the flyer the DMV sent out http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_a296.pdf Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Going to the cyberdriveillinois site I don't see a picture of a Mennonite woman wearing a prayer cap. Isn't Christianity an "accepted religion"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlowrie Posted August 25, 2015 at 10:33 PM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 10:33 PM If you are Amish and an Illinois resident you can get a DL or FOID with no photo at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted August 25, 2015 at 11:20 PM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 11:20 PM Isn't Christianity an "accepted religion"? Nope Not for a long time now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted August 25, 2015 at 11:28 PM Share Posted August 25, 2015 at 11:28 PM If you are Amish and an Illinois resident you can get a DL or FOID with no photo at all. Do the Amish do much driving that requires a license? lol Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted August 26, 2015 at 12:55 PM Share Posted August 26, 2015 at 12:55 PM In reply to Defaultdotxbe, some of the young Amish who haven't joined the church may drive. It may be that some New Order Amish group may allow their members to drive. (I don't know that there are any, but each church group has their own rules) They do use electricity and I saw one using a cell phone. If they owned a car one problem in Illinois would be the requirement to have insurance which they object to. Illinois allows Mennonites to be self insured as a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted August 26, 2015 at 03:21 PM Share Posted August 26, 2015 at 03:21 PM What did you expect? They already give illegals driving licenses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted August 27, 2015 at 01:08 AM Share Posted August 27, 2015 at 01:08 AM How many people fell for this? Illinois does not allow burqas on a DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw45 Posted August 27, 2015 at 02:19 PM Share Posted August 27, 2015 at 02:19 PM The Amish I knew in S. IL could drive, just not own a car.One of my vendors was amish and took vacations to see the family back east every year, don't know who he borrowed the car from. For around town they used horses or horse and buggies. They had electricity, phone (for business, not in home) rubber tired diesel tractors (real nice ones) etc.The amish store had electricity, refrigeration/freezers etc, great food and prices. All I know is each group is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted August 27, 2015 at 06:03 PM Share Posted August 27, 2015 at 06:03 PM How many people fell for this? Illinois does not allow burqas on a DL. Shhhh...don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant... Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlowrie Posted August 28, 2015 at 05:26 PM Share Posted August 28, 2015 at 05:26 PM How many people fell for this? Illinois does not allow burqas on a DL. Illinois does not prohibit the wearing of religious head coverings for DL photos. See Sultaana Freeman who was able to receive a DL in Illinois wearing a niqab (face veil) in 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted August 28, 2015 at 11:20 PM Share Posted August 28, 2015 at 11:20 PM Illinois does not prohibit the wearing of religious head coverings for DL photos. See Sultaana Freeman who was able to receive a DL in Illinois wearing a niqab (face veil) in 1997. You confuse a hijab (head covering) with a face veil. Two different things. Illinois does not allow the face veil, but you are right, they do allow head covering. http://www.thatsnonsense.com/are-burqas-and-veils-permitted-on-driving-licenses-in-illinois/ Deputy Press Secretary for Illinois Secretary of State Henry Haupt since clarified the situation Somewhere I am being misquoted as having said that burqas and veils may be worn by people when photographed for their Illinois driver’s license or ID card. Let me be clear: In Illinois, people are prohibited from wearing any article of clothing that covers their face when being photographed for a driver’s license or identification card.While Illinois law does allow a person to wear a religious head covering when photographed for their driver’s license or identification card, it cannot cover the person’s face. This is because the photograph plays an integral part of identifying the holder of the driver’s license and identification card.To clarify further with an example, a head scarf covering the hair of a customer would be allowed, but an article of clothing covering the entire face, except the eyes, would not be allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted August 29, 2015 at 05:31 AM Share Posted August 29, 2015 at 05:31 AM Illinois does not prohibit the wearing of religious head coverings for DL photos. See Sultaana Freeman who was able to receive a DL in Illinois wearing a niqab (face veil) in 1997. You confuse a hijab (head covering) with a face veil. Two different things. Illinois does not allow the face veil, but you are right, they do allow head covering. http://www.thatsnonsense.com/are-burqas-and-veils-permitted-on-driving-licenses-in-illinois/ Deputy Press Secretary for Illinois Secretary of State Henry Haupt since clarified the situation Somewhere I am being misquoted as having said that burqas and veils may be worn by people when photographed for their Illinois driver’s license or ID card. Let me be clear: In Illinois, people are prohibited from wearing any article of clothing that covers their face when being photographed for a driver’s license or identification card.While Illinois law does allow a person to wear a religious head covering when photographed for their driver’s license or identification card, it cannot cover the person’s face. This is because the photograph plays an integral part of identifying the holder of the driver’s license and identification card.To clarify further with an example, a head scarf covering the hair of a customer would be allowed, but an article of clothing covering the entire face, except the eyes, would not be allowed. Freeman was initially allowed to get a photo with her niqab, but her license was subsequently revoked when she refused to get one taken without it. The case went to court and in 2003 a judge ruled that it was not a violation of religious freedom sufficient to overcome the concerns for public safety if individuals were allowed to take photos on identification cards and such that did not allow them to actually be identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted August 29, 2015 at 05:50 AM Share Posted August 29, 2015 at 05:50 AM I think one area of confusion is that many states require the person's hairline to be visible, which would require a hijab or dastar to be pulled back to expose the hairline. IL does not have have that particular requirement Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlowrie Posted September 1, 2015 at 04:17 AM Share Posted September 1, 2015 at 04:17 AM Illinois does not prohibit the wearing of religious head coverings for DL photos. See Sultaana Freeman who was able to receive a DL in Illinois wearing a niqab (face veil) in 1997. You confuse a hijab (head covering) with a face veil. Two different things. Illinois does not allow the face veil, but you are right, they do allow head covering. http://www.thatsnonsense.com/are-burqas-and-veils-permitted-on-driving-licenses-in-illinois/ Deputy Press Secretary for Illinois Secretary of State Henry Haupt since clarified the situation Somewhere I am being misquoted as having said that burqas and veils may be worn by people when photographed for their Illinois driver’s license or ID card. Let me be clear: In Illinois, people are prohibited from wearing any article of clothing that covers their face when being photographed for a driver’s license or identification card.While Illinois law does allow a person to wear a religious head covering when photographed for their driver’s license or identification card, it cannot cover the person’s face. This is because the photograph plays an integral part of identifying the holder of the driver’s license and identification card.To clarify further with an example, a head scarf covering the hair of a customer would be allowed, but an article of clothing covering the entire face, except the eyes, would not be allowed. in illinois in 1997 a woman was allowed to recieve a drivers license with a face veil. apparently they have changed policy since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted September 8, 2015 at 04:27 AM Share Posted September 8, 2015 at 04:27 AM in illinois in 1997 a woman was allowed to recieve a drivers license with a face veil. apparently they have changed policy since.That was Sultaana Freeman, who is already discussed in this thread. I don't think it was actually a change of policy, but just a misinterpretation of the policy that allowed her have the photo taken in the first place (the employees at the DMV thought allowed head coverings included the face veils) AFAIK her IL license never revoked, because she moved to Florida soon after getting it. She was allowed to wear the veil in her FL license picture as well, but the license was subsequently revoked pending a photo without the veil. That's the incident that went to court in 2003Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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