wjs81866 Posted July 24, 2020 at 05:29 PM Share Posted July 24, 2020 at 05:29 PM I purchased a long gun online and it was received at the FFL a couple days later, I filled out the form 4473. I waited for 1/2 hour and he said the status changed to "delayed" where its stayed. I filled out the form on July 10th and it's the 24th and still no change. So 2 weeks and I'm still waiting, and since Illinois doesn't follow the Brady date I guess I'll be waiting for a long time. Apparently no one answers the phone at the state police section anymore so I guess I get to wait. Anyone else with this issue? The last gun I had transferred took about 5 days. Just trying to put this into perspective. I hate Illinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted July 24, 2020 at 10:43 PM Share Posted July 24, 2020 at 10:43 PM Anyone else with this issue? Yes everyone and then not too many.Loads of threads here about the delays and what some have experienced Check them out some good reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weed Posted July 24, 2020 at 11:44 PM Share Posted July 24, 2020 at 11:44 PM Bought a hand gun Tuesday and it went through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flingarrows Posted July 25, 2020 at 12:32 AM Share Posted July 25, 2020 at 12:32 AM Tuesday I went to the LGS near Greenwood Indiana at lunchtime, and bought a glock44 for plinking. 32 minutes later I was out the door with that and 200 rounds. I donât miss Illinois Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Edit, it was Monday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted July 25, 2020 at 12:33 AM Share Posted July 25, 2020 at 12:33 AM Bought a hand gun Tuesday and it went through.it went through on Tuesday right awaythis past Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipp Jones Posted July 25, 2020 at 12:50 AM Share Posted July 25, 2020 at 12:50 AM A few weeks ago, I went through in 3 days. Purchased another on 7/16, still delayed as of 7/24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weed Posted July 25, 2020 at 01:03 AM Share Posted July 25, 2020 at 01:03 AM Bought a hand gun Tuesday and it went through. it went through on Tuesday right awaythis past TuesdayYes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipp Jones Posted July 26, 2020 at 03:18 AM Share Posted July 26, 2020 at 03:18 AM Still delayed, will check again Monday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted July 26, 2020 at 08:10 PM Share Posted July 26, 2020 at 08:10 PM I had a pistol shipped to my FFL a couple weeks ago. He called me in the afternoon the day it arrived and I was in the shop around 4:30 pm to fill out the paperwork. Instant approval, as has always been the case for me. Since I bought it more than 3 days earlier, I took it home. I can't imagine why it is different with so many other folks.Maybe it's the way the FFL does business... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherryriver Posted July 27, 2020 at 08:36 PM Share Posted July 27, 2020 at 08:36 PM Our neighbor bought a new long gun from a very large retail dealer. The background check took about 8-9 days before he could pick it up.We know it wasn't an issue with the check itself- he has high security clearances for his everyday line of work.The store managers tell us this is the new normal these days, for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted July 27, 2020 at 09:31 PM Share Posted July 27, 2020 at 09:31 PM Three purchases in 2020 all 4-5 days, none in 72 hours. 3 different shops, one a transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLMOPE Posted July 27, 2020 at 10:26 PM Share Posted July 27, 2020 at 10:26 PM Bought a pistol online Friday. Filed out 4473 on Sat Morning. Approval Sat afternoon. Now just waiting on it to show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipp Jones Posted July 28, 2020 at 01:48 AM Share Posted July 28, 2020 at 01:48 AM Finally approved today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjs81866 Posted July 28, 2020 at 04:28 PM Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 at 04:28 PM FFL contacted NICS, all they said was that they would process it as soon as they completed it. Helpful.... Still says open, delayed. I'm pretty sure it's Illinois, apparently this has been typical the last couple months as they are very backed up. It's that or a new type of gun control where they just don't process. Really irritating that I can have $800 tied up indefinitely and basically if you don't like it, you can go pound sand I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted July 28, 2020 at 05:11 PM Share Posted July 28, 2020 at 05:11 PM Working on my 4th week waiting for a long gun, a single shot 22, not even LR Wife just applied for a FOID maybe when it comes she can get it. Patience is a virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnwfan3 Posted July 28, 2020 at 05:21 PM Share Posted July 28, 2020 at 05:21 PM I asked once about what causes the delay. I was told they the FTIP system uses a very old algorithm to very the identity of a person they are doing the background check on. If the algorithm can't make a positive identification right away, it requires human intervention to verify and complete the check. The human intervention is what is causing the delays. If it identifies you correctly and the check is clear, you get approved right away. Generally once delayed, always delayed. The delay that was taking an hour or two (for human intervention) is taking weeks because the ISP is so backed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted July 28, 2020 at 05:46 PM Share Posted July 28, 2020 at 05:46 PM I had a pistol shipped to my FFL a couple weeks ago. He called me in the afternoon the day it arrived and I was in the shop around 4:30 pm to fill out the paperwork. Instant approval, as has always been the case for me. Since I bought it more than 3 days earlier, I took it home. I can't imagine why it is different with so many other folks.Maybe it's the way the FFL does business...I am a FFL Dealer in Oak Lawn, IL, we all have the same FTIP Software and we use the info on your FOID Card, not your DL or SI to enter in the FTIP System. What I noticed in 15 months of running background checks is; instant approval guys/gals will always be instant approvals (I had 3 people that were the exception to the rule), pending (delayed) people will always be delayed, and the time that it takes to approve of your bcg is solely based on the IL State Police who run the system.Ernesto A Alcala-OwnerErnie's Arms Accessories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnwfan3 Posted July 28, 2020 at 06:39 PM Share Posted July 28, 2020 at 06:39 PM I had a pistol shipped to my FFL a couple weeks ago. He called me in the afternoon the day it arrived and I was in the shop around 4:30 pm to fill out the paperwork. Instant approval, as has always been the case for me. Since I bought it more than 3 days earlier, I took it home. I can't imagine why it is different with so many other folks.Maybe it's the way the FFL does business...I am a FFL Dealer in Oak Lawn, IL, we all have the same FTIP Software and we use the info on your FOID Card, not your DL or SI to enter in the FTIP System. What I noticed in 15 months of running background checks is; instant approval guys/gals will always be instant approvals (I had 3 people that were the exception to the rule), pending (delayed) people will always be delayed, and the time that it takes to approve of your bcg is solely based on the IL State Police who run the system.Ernesto A Alcala-OwnerErnie's Arms Accessories This lines up with what I was told as well how it works. Generally if the FTIP software can verify your identity, you always get approved right away. If not, you are always delayed and manual human intervention is needed. Someone from from the ISP needs to manually verify your identity to complete the check. Obviously we know how backed up the ISP is so that's why the long delays are happening. From what I was told, the FTIP software uses a very old and inefficient algorithm to match on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted July 29, 2020 at 04:54 AM Share Posted July 29, 2020 at 04:54 AM I had a pistol shipped to my FFL a couple weeks ago. He called me in the afternoon the day it arrived and I was in the shop around 4:30 pm to fill out the paperwork. Instant approval, as has always been the case for me. Since I bought it more than 3 days earlier, I took it home. I can't imagine why it is different with so many other folks.Maybe it's the way the FFL does business...I am a FFL Dealer in Oak Lawn, IL, we all have the same FTIP Software and we use the info on your FOID Card, not your DL or SI to enter in the FTIP System. What I noticed in 15 months of running background checks is; instant approval guys/gals will always be instant approvals (I had 3 people that were the exception to the rule), pending (delayed) people will always be delayed, and the time that it takes to approve of your bcg is solely based on the IL State Police who run the system.Ernesto A Alcala-OwnerErnie's Arms Accessories This lines up with what I was told as well how it works. Generally if the FTIP software can verify your identity, you always get approved right away. If not, you are always delayed and manual human intervention is needed. Someone from from the ISP needs to manually verify your identity to complete the check. Obviously we know how backed up the ISP is so that's why the long delays are happening. From what I was told, the FTIP software uses a very old and inefficient algorithm to match on. Good to know, now let’s scrap the whole FOID system as it has become useless. Yes I am serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjs81866 Posted August 6, 2020 at 01:22 PM Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 at 01:22 PM Well as of tomorrow it will be 4 weeks I have waited for my transfer to proceed. As of this morning it's still open, not sure what my options are. No one in Illinois answers the phone and even if they do it's basically " We are backed up" and thats it. I have passed dozens of checks and have a FOID card and a CCW but I can't buy a shotgun. Something has to change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted August 6, 2020 at 07:37 PM Share Posted August 6, 2020 at 07:37 PM Well as of tomorrow it will be 4 weeks I have waited for my transfer to proceed. As of this morning it's still open, not sure what my options are. No one in Illinois answers the phone and even if they do it's basically " We are backed up" and thats it. I have passed dozens of checks and have a FOID card and a CCW but I can't buy a shotgun. Something has to change Since July 16, I know it doesn't matter what but a single shot 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benbow Posted August 7, 2020 at 02:00 AM Share Posted August 7, 2020 at 02:00 AM Again, the regulation is clear, 72 hours after running the check, if its not denied, its allowed to proceed. I have the regulation framed and hung on the wall of the shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted August 7, 2020 at 02:43 AM Share Posted August 7, 2020 at 02:43 AM Again, the regulation is clear, 72 hours after running the check, if its not denied, its allowed to proceed. I have the regulation framed and hung on the wall of the shop. Im not making a case on one side or the other, but you and the ISP seem to have a difference of opinion on this. Their opinion from what I can tell is no approval response, no transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty80 Posted August 8, 2020 at 09:31 PM Share Posted August 8, 2020 at 09:31 PM Only in Illinois can you have at a minimum, 1 daily background check performed and you still can't get an instant approval when the 4473 is submitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flingarrows Posted August 9, 2020 at 02:13 AM Share Posted August 9, 2020 at 02:13 AM The last time that I purchased in Illinois I was delayed 3 to 4 days. Since being in Indiana, I have purchased twice. The last time was no more than an hour from the time that I saw it online, went to the store, filled out my paperwork, and walked out the door with my purchase. Illinois is broken, but no one (except those being delayed) cares. Just reading all of your replies, makes me sick. Something needs to be done. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra magnus Posted August 9, 2020 at 06:08 AM Share Posted August 9, 2020 at 06:08 AM Again, the regulation is clear, 72 hours after running the check, if its not denied, its allowed to proceed. I have the regulation framed and hung on the wall of the shop. Im not making a case on one side or the other, but you and the ISP seem to have a difference of opinion on this. Their opinion from what I can tell is no approval response, no transfer.Where is the isp take on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted August 9, 2020 at 06:21 AM Share Posted August 9, 2020 at 06:21 AM Again, the regulation is clear, 72 hours after running the check, if its not denied, its allowed to proceed. I have the regulation framed and hung on the wall of the shop. Im not making a case on one side or the other, but you and the ISP seem to have a difference of opinion on this. Their opinion from what I can tell is no approval response, no transfer.Where is the isp take on this? ISPFSB FFL FAQhttps://www.ispffl.com/Public/FAQ.aspx 7. What happens if a customer orders a firearm, and when he or she comes in to pick it up, ISP issues something other than an approval on the FTIP? The actual transfer of the firearm cannot take place until there is an approval from the FTIP system, regardless of when the agreement was reached. If the FFL receives a transaction number, they cannot complete the transfer until they receive an approval JCAR guidelineshttps://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/admincode/020/02001235sections.html Section 1235.90 Response Procedures ...The Department shall provide, during the initial dealer inquiry, an approval, denial, or conditional denial of the transfer. The time period for the Department to respond shall begin at the time the inquiry is received. When the Department provides a conditional denial, the dealer shall not transfer the firearm until an approval is provided by the Department or the length of time prescribed in Section 24-3 of the Criminal Code of 1961 [720 ILCS 5/24.3] has been exceeded. Failure of the Department to provide an approval or denial within the prescribed length of time does not relieve the dealer from compliance with any other statutory restrictions on firearm transfers. Regardless of the requirements of this Part, transactions must comply with all State and federal firearm laws.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted August 9, 2020 at 07:03 PM Share Posted August 9, 2020 at 07:03 PM For those waiting 4 weeks, a background inquiry is good for 30 days whether you are approved or delayed. If 30 days has passed, you will have to perform a new background check. I had this happen to me a few times, after a 30 day background, a dealer could call the ISP to explain the long bcg so a new one could hopefully get approved before the 30 days passes again. ISP has turned the phones off on dealers as well, so if 30 days has passed and you have to resubmit another bcg check, there is a good possibility it might happen again.Ernesto A Alcala-OwnerErnie's Arms Accessories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted August 9, 2020 at 09:22 PM Share Posted August 9, 2020 at 09:22 PM So what’s preventing the state government from stating 5,10,30 or more days is acceptable, how about 6 months to a year or more?That gives the state the ability to take gun sales to a crawl and prevent sales. Why it has not been challenged is somewhat of a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1776 Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:15 AM Share Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:15 AM I have relatives at the 2 week mark as of today for a pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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