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..Following Virginia Beach shooting, President Trump is asked "Do you believe that silencers should be restricted?" His response: "I dont like them at all."

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-marine-one-departure-46/...

 

Wait, I thought he and especially his son was supportive before?

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Watch this closely and any follow up would be appreciated..it appears they are trying to place blame on a failure of there own doing...sadly i think its going to land square in the lap of the aurora pd....and none of this was any of aurora pd's fault

Well the fix it bill will take care of that by putting even MORE eggs in ISP’s basket. These people just cannot put the blame where it should be.

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https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20190602/responding-to-aurora-discussion-set-for-thursday-in-elgin

 

An Elgin church is hosting a panel of law enforcement and elected officials who will discuss what can be done to prevent tragedies like February's workplace shooting in Aurora.

 

"Responding to Aurora: A Conversation with Illinois Leaders" will take place from 7 to 9 p.m. Thursday at First Presbyterian Church, 240 Standish St. The event is free.

 

First Presbyterian Church is a social justice church, and its leadership researched the issue and selected the panelists, the Rev. Karen Schlack said. "As a church, we're interested in supporting the community and the police department, but we're also interested in trying to be involved, in trying to work with them so this won't happen again," she said.

 

The panel will feature: state Rep. Kathleen Willis, a Democrat from Addison; Lt. Col. David Byrd, assistant deputy director for the Illinois State Police; Kane County Sheriff Ron Hain; Kane County State's Attorney Joe McMahon; Aurora Police Chief Kristen Ziman; Elgin Police Chief Ana Lalley; and Jessica Trame, chief of the Firearms Services Bureau for the Illinois State Police. State Rep. Anna Moeller, an Elgin Democrat, said she will moderate the discussion.

 

Moeller said the talk will include efforts to address mental health issues from a law enforcement perspective, such as a collaborative crisis services unit established this year by Elgin police. "It's reframing how we approach these types of situations," Moeller said.

 

Willis is the chief sponsor of a bill that would mandate fingerprinting and background checks for Firearm Owner's Identification cardholders. The bill passed the Illinois House last week but was not brought to a vote in the state Senate before the legislative session ended Sunday. Supporters of the bill said it could prevent circumstances similar to those that led to the Henry Pratt Co. shooting Feb. 15 in Aurora, where a gunman who was being terminated from his job killed five civilians and wounded five police officers before he was killed by police.

 

Schlack said she was moved to call her congregation to action after the March 15 terrorist attacks at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.

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https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20190602/responding-to-aurora-discussion-set-for-thursday-in-elgin

 

An Elgin church is hosting a panel of law enforcement and elected officials who will discuss what can be done to prevent tragedies like February's workplace shooting in Aurora.

 

"Responding to Aurora: A Conversation with Illinois Leaders" will take place from 7 to 9 p.m. Thursday at First Presbyterian Church, 240 Standish St. The event is free.

 

First Presbyterian Church is a social justice church, and its leadership researched the issue and selected the panelists, the Rev. Karen Schlack said. "As a church, we're interested in supporting the community and the police department, but we're also interested in trying to be involved, in trying to work with them so this won't happen again," she said.

 

The panel will feature: state Rep. Kathleen Willis, a Democrat from Addison; Lt. Col. David Byrd, assistant deputy director for the Illinois State Police; Kane County Sheriff Ron Hain; Kane County State's Attorney Joe McMahon; Aurora Police Chief Kristen Ziman; Elgin Police Chief Ana Lalley; and Jessica Trame, chief of the Firearms Services Bureau for the Illinois State Police. State Rep. Anna Moeller, an Elgin Democrat, said she will moderate the discussion.

 

Moeller said the talk will include efforts to address mental health issues from a law enforcement perspective, such as a collaborative crisis services unit established this year by Elgin police. "It's reframing how we approach these types of situations," Moeller said.

 

Willis is the chief sponsor of a bill that would mandate fingerprinting and background checks for Firearm Owner's Identification cardholders. The bill passed the Illinois House last week but was not brought to a vote in the state Senate before the legislative session ended Sunday. Supporters of the bill said it could prevent circumstances similar to those that led to the Henry Pratt Co. shooting Feb. 15 in Aurora, where a gunman who was being terminated from his job killed five civilians and wounded five police officers before he was killed by police.

 

Schlack said she was moved to call her congregation to action after the March 15 terrorist attacks at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.

 

If I thought it would do one bit of good then I would go. The truth of the matter is David Byrd is going to spew some nonsense that the ISP wasn't at fault (Reality: only 100% at fault) and I am not going to watch Willis eat two crave cases and spew her vile uniformed views that even she is too stupid to understand. Kristen Ziman could very well be on our side but cave to the atmosphere quickly. Joe McMahon was the special prosecuter for Jason Van Dyke and Kwame and him didn't think the sentence was fair so they cried to the ISC who said tough. This is going to a 100% anti 2A panel and they aren't going to listen to ONE word otherwise.

Schlack seems to be trying to be the Presbyterian Pfleger.

I have better things to do then get slider pieces spit on me at a "social justice church".

Social Justice = Snowflake

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I'm going to go, just to ask Willis how many cakes a day she eats? Nothing else.

 

Get ready for slider spewage.

"That's none of your business".

In reality you are just trying to make the state safer.

I heard there was a brawl at a Jewel in Addison because somebody bought every Hostess product.

The aisle supposedly looked like a tornado had hit it.

I wonder who would do such a thing?

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The Elgin and Aurora police chiefs were supportive of firearm registration. Neither the moderator or the panel directly tackled how most of representative Willisâ proposals violate fundamental rights. No tough questions were presented to the panel. The moderator, rep. Moeller âconsolidatedâ the questions submitted and then asked her own based on the general topic.

 

It seemed to me the whole show emphasized on $$$ and funding.

 

Rep. Willis said six states have an equivalent to our FOID card system. Texas is one of them she said.

 

I guess Texas did not get the memo.

 

 

^ this ***

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I'm going to go, just to ask Willis how many cakes a day she eats? Nothing else.

 

I heard there was a brawl at a Jewel in Addison because somebody bought every Hostess product.

The aisle supposedly looked like a tornado had hit it.

I wonder who would do such a thing?

Oh that was Pritzker and Willis fighting over the last box of Hostess Ding Dongs.

That’s rite, I said Ding Dongs!

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The Elgin and Aurora police chiefs were supportive of firearm registration. Neither the moderator or the panel directly tackled how most of representative Willisâ proposals violate fundamental rights. No tough questions were presented to the panel. The moderator, rep. Moeller âconsolidatedâ the questions submitted and then asked her own based on the general topic. It seemed to me the whole show emphasized on $$$ and funding. Rep. Willis said six states have an equivalent to our FOID card system. Texas is one of them she said. I guess Texas did not get the memo. ^ this ***

 

How drunk was Kristen Ziman? (The Aurora PD chief)

http://openline.blogspot.com/2016/01/drinking-kristen-ziman.html

"I am not going to watch Willis eat two crave cases and spew her vile uniformed views that even she is too stupid to understand."

"This is going to a 100% anti 2A panel and they aren't going to listen to ONE word otherwise."

I knew it was going to a puppet show, How is the ISP not completely to blame for this?

That would of been my ONE question to David Byrd (ISP) but I knew that I wouldn't get a chance to ask it.

As for Elgin, No Thanks. About 3 years ago 5 of us went to the Grand Victoria.

We were there for opening night and with the 5 of us there were about 35 people total 3 years ago.

Opening night you couldn't get into the place and I think we paid a $17 admission fee+a $3 tax per head that goes to Elgin.

With the admission tax money that the GV took in over 25 years, why is the area around it still pretty scary?

Casinos, we need more of them because it's not like all but one in IL is pretty dead even on weekends.

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https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20190607/police-leaders-urge-speaking-up-tightening-gun-control-in-wake-of-pratt-shooting

 

Police leaders urge speaking up, tightening gun control in wake of Pratt shooting

 

About 60 people gathered at an Elgin church Thursday night to ask what led to the killing of five people at a factory in Aurora in February, and what has been done to prevent similar killings.

 

The answers? More speaking up about people around us who show signs they could be dangerous to themselves or others even if those people don't have a criminal record.

 

Give state police more resources -- including money -- to effectively operate its system for checking people who apply for firearm owners identification cards.

 

And support changes to the FOID law to include raising the price of the card and to require applicants to be fingerprinted.

 

Aurora Police Chief Kristen Ziman; Elgin Chief Ana Lalley; Kane County State's Attorney Joe McMahon; state Rep. Kathleen Willis; Lt. Col. David Byrd, assistant deputy director of the Illinois State Police; and Jessica Trame, bureau chief of the firearm owners identification division of the state police, participated in the discussion.

 

First Presbyterian Church and Highland Avenue Church of the Brethren organized the session. It was moderated by state Rep. Anna Moeller.

 

Trame explained the process of granting FOIDs, including checks for diagnosed mental illnesses, commitments to psychiatric institutions, and criminal records. The crowd gasped when it learned that her 50-person staff -- which also oversees concealed-carry licensing, and concealed-carry and FOID revocations -- receives about 180,000 FOID applications a year, and about 200,000 requests for renewals. Last year about 9,000 applications were rejected, she said.

 

The Pratt shooter had an FOID; he lied on the application, failing to report a felony conviction for battery in Mississippi. With the FOID, he legally bought a handgun. He later applied for a concealed-carry license, and the Mississippi conviction surfaced, so he was rejected.

 

Willis spoke about her "Fix the FOID" bill she introduced this spring, which would have raised the fees and required fingerprinting for FOID. The House passed the bill, but it was not called for a Senate vote.

 

One change would have required that more of the fee go to the FOID unit. Currently, only $3 of the $10 does.

 

Even if authorities are informed an FOID is revoked, without specific knowledge that a person owns guns, judges are not likely to grant search warrants based only on the revocation, they said.

 

"There is no way for us to know whether an individual physically has a gun in his or her home," McMahon said, because Illinois does not require owners to register guns with the state or local authorities.

 

Ziman noted that the Pratt shooter didn't present any red flags to Aurora police. He had been charged with domestic battery, but he had also been the victim of domestic battery. He had worked for the factory for 15 years but had "minor" disciplinary issues. He was going to be disciplined that day for a safety violation.

 

The biggest red flag -- one that was missed -- was that he told a co-worker that morning that if he was fired, he was going to kill the people firing him. The co-worker, who knew Pratt kept a gun in his car, told police he didn't take the statement seriously.

 

And when asked if a national gun registry, national FOID and a longer waiting period to purchase a gun would help, Ziman responded, "Yes, yes, yes, yes."

 

She acknowledged there are Second Amendment concerns raised by law-abiding gun owners.

 

"I don't know that anyone of us can solve" the complex problem, she said. "But the place to start is at a registry. If you are going to bear arms, why not register them?"

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..."her 50-person staff -- which also oversees concealed-carry licensing, and concealed-carry and FOID revocations -- receives about 180,000 FOID applications a year, and about 200,000 requests for renewals. Last year about 9,000 applications were rejected, she said"...

 

So now we finally have heard from ISP on how large the FOID/CCL staff is.

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..."Willis spoke about her "Fix the FOID" bill she introduced this spring, which would have raised the fees and required fingerprinting for FOID. The House passed the bill, but it was not called for a Senate vote.

 

One change would have required that more of the fee go to the FOID unit. Currently, only $3 of the $10 does."...

 

Intentional or ignorance?

 

..."$6 of each fee derived from the issuance of Firearm Owner's Identification Cards, or renewals thereof, shall be deposited in the Wildlife and Fish Fund in the State Treasury; $1 of the fee shall be deposited in the State Police Services Fund and $3 of the fee shall be deposited in the State Police Firearm Services Fund.

(B) Renewal applications shall be approved or denied within 60 business days, provided the applicant submitted his or her renewal application prior to the expiration of his or her Firearm Owner's Identification Card. If a renewal application has been submitted prior to the expiration date of the applicant's Firearm Owner's Identification Card, the Firearm Owner's Identification Card shall remain valid while the Department processes the application, unless the person is subject to or becomes subject to revocation under this Act. The cost for a renewal application shall be $10 which shall be deposited into the State Police Firearm Services Fund."...

 

$540k in new apps and $600k in renewals based on their numbers. The FSB fund gets $1.14M yearly just in new FOID fees added to amount in fund. Plus the CCL fees.

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ISP Firearm Services fund gets $3 for new FOID apps at 180k per year. $10 for renewal FOID apps at 200k per year. 2.3M total FOID holders.

 

ISRA says FSB fund got $78M seeding when CCL passed.

 

320K CCL card holders.

 

..."An applicant for a new license or a renewal shall submit $150 with the application, of which $120 shall be apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund"...

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50 person staff - sworn or civilians?

 

clerical/professional - right now I guess when you figure in the pay grade and benefits. it's about 6 per $million per year.

Sworn: maybe 5 per million

 

so people costs alone might be 10 million per year.

There used to be an annual ISP report with such breakdowns but they dont seem to do them now or at least I have not found it.
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