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Historically there is evidence that if a black man and a white man both enter a courtroom for the same crime the white man is more likely to receive probation or have his charges reduced/dropped. The black man isn't given the same slap on the wrist but will likely be sent off to prison or at the very least leave the courtroom with a felony.

 

To that end, the black man then will likely never have the right to regain the Constitutional Right to Bear Arms. He has a greater risk of being assaulted, robbed, murdered, etc.. but even after demonstrating years of good behavior he can't own a gun.

 

So I feel that organizations like the NRA only fight for the white folks to have guns.

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Wow.... That sad attempt at trolling is so full of stupid that I can't even respond back with a good smart assed retort. But lets try anyways....

 

Yes, clearly it was the NRA that helped pass the Jim Crow laws and now have a representative in every court room in America to advise judges and make sure that as many black people as possible get their right to bear arms taken away from them. And also every time the NRA fights for our freedoms and wins a court case against the evil Democratic hordes they specifically ask for said ruling to only apply to rich white people.

I mean I'm not even sure why you're asking that question, I thought it was just common knowledge.

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It used to be a cause they took up, reinstating gun rights for felons. But the liberal media took them to town on it. The NRA used to be a lot more anti law enforcement, now they get money from law enforcement trainings and partner with law enforcement lobbies.

 

If they are going to appease the left on bump stocks you can forget about fighting to reinstate felon gun rights.

 

The NRA sure didn't take them away. Democrats, the real party of racist did. But as more gun owners become felons due to rediculous state laws maybe they'll take it up again.

 

Troll all you want, I think you'll find the NRA, their lobbiests, and most gun owners all support reinstating gun rights for nonviolent felons. It's just not the NRA's cause de jure due to all the other rediculousness that's going on right now. But when times are tuff they do tend to pander to their old white fudd conservative base.

 

In the hearing on gun laws yesterday every speaker opposed to gun laws, both black and white, mentioned that gun laws always are unfairly applied to people of color. In fact senator Harmon went on a tirade agaisnt Todd (former IL NRA lobbiest) for bringing it up.

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Semi true!

 

The pre-1977 NRA is not the same as the current NRA.

 

See "the revolt at Cincinnati"

 

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2018/03/08/revolt-cincinnati-molded-nra-did-you-know-jeff-suess-schism-within-national-rifle-association-led/404628002/

A schism within the National Rifle Association led to a coup at the group's annual meeting in 1977 at the Cincinnati Convention Center, and focused the NRA's mission to protecting gun rights.

 

The contentious meeting lasted until 4 a.m. A vote by 1,000 life members ousted the NRA's chief operative, executive vice president Maxwell Rich, and his cronies. Carter was selected as Rich's replacement.

This was more than a changing of the guard; it was a change of purpose.

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http://www.jonathanmetzl.com/the-nra-and-black-people/

 

 

Last week the National Rifle Association opened a cynical new front in the debate about gun rights in America with its campaign to promote gun ownership to minority and low-income urban communities. NRANews.com, the Association’s official website, introduced a partnership with Facebook sensation Colion Noir, a young, African-American “urban gun enthusiast” and the first of a promised procession of “diverse commentators” to appear on the NRA site.

Noir’s opening soliloquy contained a simple message: African-Americans need arms to protect themselves against the government.

“No one wants to fight for their protection, they want the government to do it,” Noir intones. “The same government who at one point hosed us down with water, attacked us with dogs, wouldn’t allow us to eat at their restaurants and told us we couldn’t own guns…The only person responsible for your safety is you.”

Perhaps the “diverse commentators” strategy represents an attempt to shift focus away from the stodgy white octogenarians who have been NRA spokespersons in the aftermath of the Newtown tragedy.

But the approach seems particularly disingenuous, even for the NRA. “Urban” America is quite clearly the worst place to introduce more guns. Indeed, guns are already readily available in low-income minority areas, and gun violence disproportionately impacts communities of color. African-Americans make up roughly 13 percent of the U.S. population, but in 2010 they suffered 56 percent of all firearm homicides.

Young black men who live in neighborhoods with high gun crime commit more serious acts of violence than teens who have not been exposed. It is far from surprising, then, that African-Americans support gun control far more frequently than do white Americans. A recent PEW survey found that 68 percent of black Americans support gun-control today while only 24 percent support unrestricted gun rights—the percentages were 42 percent and 51 percent for white Americans.

In light of this, Noir’s position that African-Americans should embrace a continued proliferation of assault weapons rather than support legislation that could only reduce guns on the street is baffling—particularly as he does so in the name of personal safety.

So too, gun proliferation enhances the ever-growing threat of violence posed, not just to to the helpless families and citizens caught in the crossfire, but to the persons who help promote “safety” in high density urban areas, such as aid workers and first responders.

Most concerning, the appearance of an armed African-American man on the website of an organization whose “diversity” problems mirror those of the Republican Party is far more complex than it seems. This is because the very image of an armed black man plays to historical currents—indeed, racialized currents in which the NRA is deeply embedded. As the NRA and Mr. Noir should realize, the civil-rights era of the 1950s and 1960s was not just a time of water cannons and police dogs. It was also a time when exaggerated representations of black men with guns mobilized significant responsein mainstream white America.

For instance, the FBI famously overstated the threats posed by Malcolm X, Bobby Seale, and Huey Newton, by highlighting these men’s attempts to obtain firearms and “plots” to overthrow the government. The FBI also hung Armed and Dangerous posters throughout the US South warning citizens about NAACP leader Robert F Williams, author of the manifesto Negroes With Guns, who advocated gun rights for African-Americans.

To be sure, Malcolm X, Robert Williams, and others had wholly valid concerns about safety. Yet their attempts to obtain arms were used for wider political purposes that were at odds with the ideologies these leaders espoused. Fears about black militancy and urban revolt led to widespread calls for gun control, leading up to passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968—legislation that the NRA supported. Meanwhile, the emerging libertarian wing of the NRA seized upon the instability of the political climate to begin its decades-long campaign to arm America’s white gun ownersin the name of self-protection.

One might argue that the “diverse commentators” approach represents a more racially-sensitive NRA. More likely, however, is the prospect that the NRA campaign foments longstanding anxieties on both sides of the suddenly inevitable racial divide.

For, as we know from history, images of angry black guys with guns—and here, of angry-black-guys with guns on white websites—lead ever-more white guys to buy ever-more guns. Ever-more more white guys with guns then play to justifiable African-American uncertainties and fears.

Over time, guns become much more than symbols of self-protection—they become symbols of racial inquietude and mistrust. And we as a society perpetuate a vicious cycle in which instruments of conflict become our only, tragic means for envisioning protection, if not resolution.

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Historically there is evidence that if a black man and a white man both enter a courtroom for the same crime the white man is more likely to receive probation or have his charges reduced/dropped. The black man isn't given the same slap on the wrist but will likely be sent off to prison or at the very least leave the courtroom with a felony.

 

To that end, the black man then will likely never have the right to regain the Constitutional Right to Bear Arms. He has a greater risk of being assaulted, robbed, murdered, etc.. but even after demonstrating years of good behavior he can't own a gun.

 

So I feel that organizations like the NRA only fight for the white folks to have guns.

 

 

I really disagree with this. IllinoisCarry helps a lot of people get their rights restored and I would say a larger percentage are black.

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Historically there is evidence that if a black man and a white man both enter a courtroom for the same crime the white man is more likely to receive probation or have his charges reduced/dropped. The black man isn't given the same slap on the wrist but will likely be sent off to prison or at the very least leave the courtroom with a felony.

 

To that end, the black man then will likely never have the right to regain the Constitutional Right to Bear Arms. He has a greater risk of being assaulted, robbed, murdered, etc.. but even after demonstrating years of good behavior he can't own a gun.

 

So I feel that organizations like the NRA only fight for the white folks to have guns.

 

 

 

 

I really disagree with this. IllinoisCarry helps a lot of people get their rights restored and I would say a larger percentage are black.

Molly is right again.

 

I think the OP has not taken the walk to the capitol building.

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Molly I am sure if this group in fact does help a greater percentage of African Americans get their gun rights restored than the adverse is true as well that a greater percentage of African Americans also are unjustly denied the right to bear arms. Hence, it goes back to my point that blacks are more likely to have a criminal case than a white person thus the black citizen will lose his constitutional right.

 

Nonetheless, I am happy to hear that you and this organization are fighting against those who trample on the rights of ALL Americans.

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You're alluding to a flawed criminal justice system that gun rights groups didn't create.


I don't speak for the NRA but I do have a thing or two to say about IllinoisCarry, and I can tell you that we've worked against the mandatory minimum sentencing schemes and penalty enhancements, as they relate to firearms, that have led to the some of the inequities I think you have in mind. That's not to say that no one should ever be incarcerated - only that it should be reserved to the most violent among us.


If you look at my signature below you'll see my feelings about SB1722, Senator Raoul's penalty enhancement law that he gave a different name in order to get it passed.

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The repeat offender list in cook county disagrees with the OP.

Don't fall into that trap. If a paroled felon can drive a car then they should be able own a gun. Because isn't that the argument we always make?

Too dangerous for a gun? Too dangerous for society.

Failure to prosecute, failure to sentence. Don't fall into the trap of thinking there's anything right about it.

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The repeat offender list in cook county disagrees with the OP.

Don't fall into that trap. If a paroled felon can drive a car then they should be able own a gun. Because isn't that the argument we always make?

Too dangerous for a gun? Too dangerous for society.

Failure to prosecute, failure to sentence. Don't fall into the trap of thinking there's anything right about it.
Oh, I'm well aware of the problem. It's a vicious cycle engineered to continue to chip away at our rights.

 

Keep pushing for higher and higher mandatory sentences. When the worst of the worst get busted on a long rap sheet they drop all mandatory minimum stuff because they cry its unfair. Then they get let out with a slap on the wrist because they only get charged for the little stuff. Then the guy that gets busted for only the crime where the long minimum sentence exists gets stuck for most of the time.

 

That long rap sheet felon is at it again and we pass more laws than keep upping the penalties for the smallest of things (some not even illegal prior to the laws being passed). Meanwhile the one mistake guy gets saddled with a lifetime of punishment for his one mistake. And more and more people are made criminals and lose rights.

 

Just because our system is broken doesn't mean we need to make people that have served time and are rehabilitated suffer more.

 

As a gun owner in Illinois you may find yourself on the wrong side of a felony, have some sympathy.

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The repeat offender list in cook county disagrees with the OP.

Don't fall into that trap. If a paroled felon can drive a car then they should be able own a gun. Because isn't that the argument we always make?

Too dangerous for a gun? Too dangerous for society.Failure to prosecute, failure to sentence. Don't fall into the trap of thinking there's anything right about it.Oh, I'm well aware of the problem. It's a vicious cycle engineered to continue to chip away at our rights.

Keep pushing for higher and higher mandatory sentences. When the worst of the worst get busted on a long rap sheet they drop all mandatory minimum stuff because they cry its unfair. Then they get let out with a slap on the wrist because they only get charged for the little stuff. Then the guy that gets busted for only the crime where the long minimum sentence exists gets stuck for most of the time.

That long rap sheet felon is at it again and we pass more laws than keep upping the penalties for the smallest of things (some not even illegal prior to the laws being passed). Meanwhile the one mistake guy gets saddled with a lifetime of punishment for his one mistake. And more and more people are made criminals and lose rights.

Just because our system is broken doesn't mean we need to make people that have served time and are rehabilitated suffer more.

As a gun owner in Illinois you may find yourself on the wrong side of a felony, have some sympathy.

I'm plenty sympathetic. In fact, I don't believe that ANY firearm possession should be a crime under any circumstances, unless of course it's evidence of a criminal act.

 

I'm merely suggesting that pleading down actual felony crimes and ridiculously light sentencing for real criminals happens every day in Cook, and it shouldn't.

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https://www.nratv.com/series/noir/video/noir-season-7-killer-mike-colion-noir-the-gun-conversation-you-need-to-see/episode/noir-season-7-episode-1-the-march-for-less-freedom

 

Taken down by Facebook, new link

 

Killer Mike talks with Colin Noir. Makes some good points about bringing together the gun community against overzealous politicians and militarized police.

 

"if they can repeal the 2nd they can repeal the 13th".

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