Good News About National Reciprocity!

[kwc]

It may not mean much in the long run (e.g. in the Senate), but H.R. 38 now has 156 sponsors in the House. That's a lot of support.

[chislinger]

C'mon get this done before I go to Florida in 2 weeks lol.

[CILhunter]

It may not mean much in the long run (e.g. in the Senate), but H.R. 38 now has 156 sponsors in the House. That's a lot of support.

 

Unfortunately, the House is not the problem. It could get passed in the House literally any time they wanted to bring it for a vote. The problem is the Senate. As it stands, the Democrats and their 2 "Independent" Socialists, will obstruct any law that Trump might, conceivably, support. Sure the impending doom for Democrats of the 2018 midterms might sway a few, but no way do we get to 60 votes for Cloture. And don't expect the weak-spined Republican leadership to push much on a firearms issue. They will be saving whatever intestinal fortitude they can muster for the tax and Obamacare fights.

[kwc]

Exactly... it can't pass in the Senate. Not a chance.

[1700715]

Yeah, and Trump had no chance of winning either!

 

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[Gamma]

 

It may not mean much in the long run (e.g. in the Senate), but H.R. 38 now has 156 sponsors in the House. That's a lot of support.

Unfortunately, the House is not the problem. It could get passed in the House literally any time they wanted to bring it for a vote. The problem is the Senate. As it stands, the Democrats and their 2 "Independent" Socialists, will obstruct any law that Trump might, conceivably, support. Sure the impending doom for Democrats of the 2018 midterms might sway a few, but no way do we get to 60 votes for Cloture. And don't expect the weak-spined Republican leadership to push much on a firearms issue. They will be saving whatever intestinal fortitude they can muster for the tax and Obamacare fights.

 

Several of the Dem senators will support it, if they have any hope of getting reelected in less than 2 years.

[aamport19]

We just saw a gun vote in the US senate (H.J. Res 40 on the social security rule), probably a good indicator if reciprocity could actually pass...

 

Vote was 57-43 with all 52 republicans were joined by Donnelly (IN) Heitkamp (ND) Manchin (WV) Tester (MT) King (ME)

 

33 senate seats up for election in 2018, 25 held by democrats, 2 independents. 10 of those are in states Trump won in 2016.

 

Indiana, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, rest seem pretty solidly blue

 

We can probably assume all republicans will support the senate version of HR38, and probably a good bet the 5 above will support it given their state's demographics and recent election results. The question will be can the pro gun crowd sway 3 more votes from the likes of Claire McCaskill (MO) Tammy Baldwin (WI) Bill Nelson (FL) Bob Casey (PA) Sherrod Brown (OH) Debbie Stabenow (MI). I can't really see any democrats not worried about an election crossing the aisle on this issue but possibly those vulnerable in 2018.

 

NRA ratings not high for any of them so I would say the chances this passes are very slim unless it's somehow attached to a must pass bill? Not sure the tactics that could be used but I'm not holding my breath that republicans will get it done.

[kwc]

Keep in mind the ACLU, which the left tends to adore, supported House Joint Resolution 40. I have serious doubts the ACLU will get behind H.R.38.

 

I still believe we won't see anything make it through the Senate until the 116th Congress in 2019, and that assumes we have a strong advancement in the number of GOP seats.

[aamport19]

ACLU support helps, wish they would be more logical in general when it comes to self defense and lawful gun use but you're right they likely won't get behind HR 38. I still think we would see the same support as HJR 40 based on the makeup of the senate now. If republicans hold what they have and pick up 3 seats between Missouri, Wisconsin, Florida, Ohio and Michigan I believe they could break a filibuster and make national reciprocity law by 2020.

[kwc]

The Senate version of National Reciprocity is S.446. It now has 35 co-sponsors plus the sponsor (Sen Cornyn). That's 36 Senators supporting it... all Republican.

 

This bill is a bit different than the House version. Most significantly, it won't allow residents of a restrictive state to carry in their home states with a license from another state.

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/cosponsors?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22congressId%3A115+AND+billStatus%3A%5C%22Introduced%5C%22%22%5D%7D&r=41

[Neumann]

There are enough senators from red states to carry the bill. Not every Democrat is a dummycrat. In all likelihood, it will be attached to a spending bill which will add a little sugar to the medicine.

[1700715]

Still waiting for the text of the bill.

 

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[kwc]

Still waiting for the text of the bill.

 

It's posted here:

 

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ALB17194.pdf

[vito]

My hope is that some other issue will force the Republicans to "go nuclear" and once and for all eliminate the filibuster as a tool to obstruct majority rule. It might be over the replacement for Obamacare, it might be when a tax reform bill comes up for a vote in the Senate. And once the filibuster is destroyed, all we would need is 51 votes for a national reciprocity bill to pass. I may be going out on a limb here, but I am hopeful that we will have this as Federal law before the 2018 mid term elections.

[BobPistol]

My hope is that some other issue will force the Republicans to "go nuclear" and once and for all eliminate the filibuster as a tool to obstruct majority rule.

 

Remember, "Majority rule" gave us TyranniCare and a whole bunch of other awful legislation. This is why the USA is not a democracy but a republic. The filibuster is anti-democratic, in a good way.

[TLR Rider]

and may be another uninformed/silly question - what is wrong with states competing aka 'race to the bottom'? that happens right now all the time, on taxes, on benefits, for tourism dollars, etc. state had, have, and always will compete with each other for residents (and their tax revenue, US Congress clout that follows population lines, etc). What is so scary in this, isnt this how the system was intended to work?

 

+1

 

It's frequently called competition, wouldn't it be great to pick and choose what state you can get your drivers license from... they would have to compete for your "business" instead of simply being a monopoly that provides crappy service, at exorbitant prices.

 

I just want to know if a Hawaiian same sex marrage license is required to be valid in all states, why isn't my carry permit?

[vito]

Just as many states have passed firearm pre-emption laws so that a citizen does not have to worry about a myriad of laws as one travels from one part of a state to another, we need national reciprocity so that you do not have to forego your 2nd Amendment rights when traveling state to state. I am planning a trip to a location upstate NY from Illinois. I can carry legally in IL, IN, OH, and PA, but because of the draconian anti-gun laws in NY I actually have to travel unarmed the entire trip. Because I am ending my trip within NY, Federal travel law does not protect me. NY law would make me a criminal even if I kept my gun locked in a case in the trunk with the magazine empty and the ammunition locked in a separate case in the vehicle. So not having national reciprocity is more than just affecting life within the one state of NY, it affects people like me who might be traveling across 15 states but gets caught up by the stupid laws in NY, which I can ignore only at my peril.

[LannyH]

I went to Upper PA 2 years ago and had to keep my gun home as I was going to New Jersey and New York. Did not like that but, did not want to be in Jail

[brianj - now in Kansas]

We're going to be heading back to Illinois in a few weeks to see some friends. Now that I'm no longer a citizen of your fair state, I'm stuck either locking it in the car or not bringing it along at all.

 

That makes me crabby.

 

 

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[kwc]

Are you staying with your friends? If so, and they don't mind, take it into their house. You can also transport it unloaded and in a case outside of your car if you wish--that's what I do.

 

Yeah, I know it's a far cry from what you were allowed to do before as a resident. Welcome to my life!

[ScottFM]

Are you staying with your friends? If so, and they don't mind, take it into their house. You can also transport it unloaded and in a case outside of your car if you wish--that's what I do. Yeah, I know it's a far cry from what you were allowed to do before as a resident. Welcome to my life!

You mean like drag it behind the car??

[Talonap]

 

Are you staying with your friends? If so, and they don't mind, take it into their house. You can also transport it unloaded and in a case outside of your car if you wish--that's what I do. Yeah, I know it's a far cry from what you were allowed to do before as a resident. Welcome to my life!

You mean like drag it behind the car??

 

 

LOL! Don't give the Dems any ideas.

[kwc]

 

Are you staying with your friends? If so, and they don't mind, take it into their house. You can also transport it unloaded and in a case outside of your car if you wish--that's what I do. Yeah, I know it's a far cry from what you were allowed to do before as a resident. Welcome to my life!

 

You mean like drag it behind the car??

Too funny...

[brianj - now in Kansas]

Are you staying with your friends? If so, and they don't mind, take it into their house. You can also transport it unloaded and in a case outside of your car if you wish--that's what I do.

 

Yeah, I know it's a far cry from what you were allowed to do before as a resident. Welcome to my life!

 

Nope, we'll be in a motel. I'll have to research the laws, as I don't think that FOID carry is even an option any more (as I no longer have a FOID due to the move).

 

And car carry is going to depend on whether or not my KS CCL is approved before we leave (it was submitted on Feb. 13, and AG's office has 90 days by statute to issue). The good news is that they seem to be running 45-60 days right now the last I heard, so I may get lucky.

 

I'm still the same person I was at the end of December when I left.

 

It's very frustrating. I don't like your world, KWC.

 

Bri

 

 

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[kwc]

Nope, we'll be in a motel. I'll have to research the laws, as I don't think that FOID carry is even an option any more (as I no longer have a FOID due to the move).

 

And car carry is going to depend on whether or not my KS CCL is approved before we leave (it was submitted on Feb. 13, and AG's office has 90 days by statute to issue). The good news is that they seem to be running 45-60 days right now the last I heard, so I may get lucky.

 

I'm still the same person I was at the end of December when I left.

 

It's very frustrating. I don't like your world, KWC.

 

Bri

 

 

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Non-residents don't need (and most can't get one anyway) a FOID card to possess a firearm in Illinois, and are allowed to transport an unloaded and encased firearm within the state in the same manner as residents.

 

You can take the firearm into your hotel room as long as it is unloaded and in a case. Actually, I strongly recommend that, since leaving it in the car makes it more vulnerable for being stolen and falling into the wrong hands.

 

But to carry a loaded and concealed firearm in your car, you are correct--you need to have your KS resident license.

 

Yeah, this "world" is frustrating!

[Talonap]

 

Nope, we'll be in a motel. I'll have to research the laws, as I don't think that FOID carry is even an option any more (as I no longer have a FOID due to the move).

 

And car carry is going to depend on whether or not my KS CCL is approved before we leave (it was submitted on Feb. 13, and AG's office has 90 days by statute to issue). The good news is that they seem to be running 45-60 days right now the last I heard, so I may get lucky.

 

I'm still the same person I was at the end of December when I left.

 

It's very frustrating. I don't like your world, KWC.

 

Bri

 

 

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Non-residents don't need (and most can't get one anyway) a FOID card to possess a firearm in Illinois, and are allowed to transport an unloaded and encased firearm within the state in the same manner as residents.

 

You can take the firearm into your hotel room as long as it is unloaded and in a case. Actually, I strongly recommend that, since leaving it in the car makes it more vulnerable for being stolen and falling into the wrong hands.

 

But to carry a loaded and concealed firearm in your car, you are correct--you need to have your KS resident license.

 

Yeah, this "world" is frustrating!

 

 

And doth, at times, sucketh ...

[Glock23]

 

Nope, we'll be in a motel. I'll have to research the laws, as I don't think that FOID carry is even an option any more (as I no longer have a FOID due to the move).

 

And car carry is going to depend on whether or not my KS CCL is approved before we leave (it was submitted on Feb. 13, and AG's office has 90 days by statute to issue). The good news is that they seem to be running 45-60 days right now the last I heard, so I may get lucky.

 

I'm still the same person I was at the end of December when I left.

 

It's very frustrating. I don't like your world, KWC.

 

Bri

 

 

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Non-residents don't need (and most can't get one anyway) a FOID card to possess a firearm in Illinois, and are allowed to transport an unloaded and encased firearm within the state in the same manner as residents.

 

You can take the firearm into your hotel room as long as it is unloaded and in a case. Actually, I strongly recommend that, since leaving it in the car makes it more vulnerable for being stolen and falling into the wrong hands.

 

But to carry a loaded and concealed firearm in your car, you are correct--you need to have your KS resident license.

 

Yeah, this "world" is frustrating!

 

 

Too many people overlook the "if applicable" part of the exemption for non-residents. Not all states require a permit in order to carry... Kansas being one of them that does not.

 

 

 

(2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence, as evidenced by the possession of a concealed carry license or permit issued by his or her state of residence, if applicable;

[brianj - now in Kansas]

 

 

 

 

Nope, we'll be in a motel. I'll have to research the laws, as I don't think that FOID carry is even an option any more (as I no longer have a FOID due to the move).

And car carry is going to depend on whether or not my KS CCL is approved before we leave (it was submitted on Feb. 13, and AG's office has 90 days by statute to issue). The good news is that they seem to be running 45-60 days right now the last I heard, so I may get lucky.

I'm still the same person I was at the end of December when I left.

It's very frustrating. I don't like your world, KWC.

Bri

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Non-residents don't need (and most can't get one anyway) a FOID card to possess a firearm in Illinois, and are allowed to transport an unloaded and encased firearm within the state in the same manner as residents.

 

You can take the firearm into your hotel room as long as it is unloaded and in a case. Actually, I strongly recommend that, since leaving it in the car makes it more vulnerable for being stolen and falling into the wrong hands.

 

But to carry a loaded and concealed firearm in your car, you are correct--you need to have your KS resident license.

 

Yeah, this "world" is frustrating!

 

 

 

 

Too many people overlook the "if applicable" part of the exemption for non-residents. Not all states require a permit in order to carry... Kansas being one of them that does not.

 

(2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence, as evidenced by the possession of a concealed carry license or permit issued by his or her state of residence, if applicable;

 

I'd always read that to mean that "If your state issues a permit, you must have one in order to car carry in Illinois." I hadn't looked at it from that perspective.

 

 

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[Gamma]

There was a frustratingly substantial amount of attention paid to Vermont residents in the discussion of the non-resident car carry provision. So it was clear that if the state didn't require a permit to carry, that carry would still be allowed.

[vito]

This thread started almost four months ago. Trump has been President for almost 3 months now. And not a word about movement on the National Reciprocity Bill. Do the Republicans take gun owners and 2nd Amendment supporters for granted? Do Republican leaders think that with the appointment of Justice Gorsuch the gun community will be satisfied and forget about national concealed carry reciprocity? As time goes on and whatever "honeymoon" effect for the President evaporates I am getting less and less hopeful that we will actually get this right and truly be able to keep our rights throughout the nation.