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#1 vito

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:22 AM

I hate living in this state, even though living in Rockford avoids many of the anti-gun restrictions of Chicago, and cost of living is reasonable (other than ridiculous property taxes). I had hoped to move as soon as I retired, but having my youngest son living locally, and still struggling and needing our help, as well as having two other grown children within an hour's drive, has caused my wife to say she will not leave. And although I do not like being associated with this state in any way, I can tolerate the status quo. But looking at the extremes that NY state has gone to, with their outrageously anti 2nd Amendment laws, including the virtual impossibility of getting a concealed carry license for the bulk of the population that lives in and around NYC, I realize that if Illinois ever goes the same route I would have to leave. I think I could put enough pressure on my wife, even if it were to just move across the border into Wisconsin, because having enjoyed the right to keep and bear arms, including concealed carry since legalized here, I could never go back to being unable to defend myself when outside my home. How about you?


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:40 AM

Me too. Out of here as well.


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:17 AM

If illinois turned into Indiana, I'd happily stay. If nothing gets worse in illinois, I'd still think buying a house here was the biggest mistake of 10 lifetimes.

 

Same taxes as me except the house is 630 square feet bigger than my lot.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:37 AM

Why wait? Wisconsin is visible from the front porch of homes in Rockford.
I'm headed south because of weather and employment, but Wisconsin is a huge improvement in not having to worry about waking up to being a felon over possessions that frighten a few sissy reps from the Chicago area. Heck, Rep Pappas wants to cut off your balls too. Time to get out.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:57 AM

With all the posts of 5 years
It won’t matter what Illinois does to 2a

cause every foid/ccl gun owner is moving out!
And the antis are salivating


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 12:03 PM

Today's Tribune has an article about Pritzker expanding government by creating a new committee to study some nonsense.  Dems love to expand government  and consequently increase taxes to pay for it.  2A is just another part of their overall plan to turn Illinois into a peoples republik.  With the structure of the electorate I don't see it ever improving.



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Posted 22 June 2019 - 12:50 PM

I have no plans to stay even if IL gets 'slightly' better, even if it stays the same i have no plans to stay, it's simply not worth it.

 

I understand the being away from family but everytime I push the numbers the savings from moving out of this state would allow me to travel back (even using plane tickets) literally ever week or every two weeks and still come out ahead!

 

I currently rent, in part so that I'm not bound to the state by property ownership, plus due to how messed up the real estate market is in my area I can rent for substantially less than ownership, and considering my rent is basically just the property taxes, I'm not actually losing anything in the grand investment picture by renting.

 

I browse listings in Missouri and Tennessee at least once a week, I have no iterest in urban living so all my searches start with 50+ acre lots, there isn't a week that goes by that I don't come across a listing that is at minimum double the acreage, about 1/10 the property taxes with a comparible house size for half or less than what it would cost me to buy the house I currently rent.  Also due to the huge difference in property taxes, we can literally afford to spend twice as much so that opens up a lot more options.


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 01:16 PM

I think selling a house in this state is becoming harder to do. Mine has been on the market for almost 3 months and only 2 showings. I live out in the county and it nice and quite. My neighbor has a 100 yard range for target shooting.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 01:38 PM

I don’t know anyone who doesn’t at least have an exit plan. Most people who have the resources to do so already have houses or condos in low-tax states and many of them are at least in the process of establishing residency.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 02:17 PM

My wifes boss was thinking of relocating out of state recently.I was happy,she has a good job and I would just find something to do there until I retire.But alas, he changed plans and we're staying in IL  longer than we want to again. :(


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 02:27 PM

The Progressive dream is to turn the entire state into one HOA Homeowners Association, where a few elitists make rules against everything you enjoy. 


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 02:48 PM

My country home in Bond county has been listed for 5 months and only 4 showings. Everyone told us it would sell fast, so much for that. Thought we’d be in our new Kentucky home by now. ☹️
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Posted 22 June 2019 - 03:01 PM

I think selling a house in this state is becoming harder to do. Mine has been on the market for almost 3 months and only 2 showings. I live out in the county and it nice and quite. My neighbor has a 100 yard range for target shooting.

Maybe the neighbor's range has something to do with it not selling. People check out the area, see the range and pass on your place. Not everyone wants to live next to a range.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 03:28 PM

Sorry to say this state is way to F'd up to ever get even a little better.  The issue is, the population continues to plummet, meaning that the tax burder per capita is only going to continue to increase. Home values are not increasing, taxes are going up faster and faster, discretionary income is dropping, and these damn liberals refuse to consider any kind of pension reform that would effect their core voters.  

 

Friends, I hat to say that the state is already, and had been in a death spiral for the last decade plus, and nothing is going to change that until all of the liberals left finally decide that even they have had a enough.  Good luck there.



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Posted 22 June 2019 - 03:29 PM

Sorry to say I am already looking at other states. Currently on a return trip from AZ. Taxes are going to do nothing but increase to pad the politicos pockets. Gun laws will get worse here. There is no way I can afford to retire here. Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 03:55 PM

 and these damn liberals refuse to consider any kind of pension reform that would effect their core voters. 

 

Just to get current on the pension deficit every IL citizen (and I mean everyone including babies, heck even illegals) would need to pony upwards of $15,000 each right now and then be hit with $100s (if not $1000s) in additional annual tax dollars every year forward just to stay current on pensions!  And that is just the pension deficit, forget about all the other spending and holes in the budget and the population decline that is raising the burden per capitia.  I believe it's a very safe bet to say, I will be long gone from this planet before Illinois becomes solvent and can start to reduce the tax burden on the citizens.  It's only going to get worse not better and I'm not sticking around to foot the bill much longer.


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 05:16 PM

My wife will not entertain the idea of moving.  She has retired, I have not.  I would take our savings and dump the house cheap if she would go for it.  

We live across the river from Missouri.  I wonder if I can get a cheap place over there to keep stuff, use as a second home, or ????



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Posted 22 June 2019 - 06:27 PM

I will leave after my mothers last heart beat, she is 100 years old and wants to die in her home. I already have property in a gun friendly state where my son and his family live.


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 09:30 PM

Illinois’ population losses greater in youth, working-age residents than retirees

 

Illinois’ youth and working-age professionals are leaving in greater numbers than other age groups, including retirees, according to the latest figures from the U.S. Census Bureau.
 
U.S. Census information shows the state's population declined by 45,000 people in the year ending last July.
 
New data released Thursday showed that Illinois’ population losses were primarily attributed to people younger than 65. Nearly every age bracket from children under five to adults age 55-60 lost population.
 
The largest total population decrease was among Illinoisans age 50-54, which fell by an estimated 25,313 people.
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Posted 23 June 2019 - 09:26 PM

I'm trapped behind enemy lines until I can retire in 10 years.  I can't wait to leave.  Things will not improve in my lifetime, if ever.  



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Posted 24 June 2019 - 12:05 AM

I'm trapped behind enemy lines until I can retire in 10 years.  I can't wait to leave.  Things will not improve in my lifetime, if ever.  

 

I have been thinking about a 10 year exit plan or until that straw breaks my back and pushes me out sooner, but tonight the wife informed me that she wants a 5 year plan to vacate Illinois, so it's time we fast track a down payment savings.


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Posted 24 June 2019 - 09:47 AM

I'm working on it. My wife is more or less on board but that shifts weekly. The 2nd is the cherry on top for the decision but the whole rotten cake is hard to stomach. The economic issues we have are structural in nature and demographic in nature and It's very hard to see a way back from that short of a full collapse and even then...



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Posted 24 June 2019 - 10:08 AM

Perfect timing for this, which I just cam across over at Drudge.

 

 

 
Why Is Illinois Hemorrhaging Residents?
 
Laughable, the democrats say the exodus is due to "not enough spending."
 
 


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Posted 24 June 2019 - 12:46 PM

I'm working on it. My wife is more or less on board but that shifts weekly. The 2nd is the cherry on top for the decision but the whole rotten cake is hard to stomach. The economic issues we have are structural in nature and demographic in nature and It's very hard to see a way back from that short of a full collapse and even then...

 

Find a house you don't mind and your wife would love with a big bathtub and a fancy kitchen in a red state. Show her the low low taxes. In my case, the amount I pay for taxes monthly in Illinois will pay for taxes, vacations, and the new house in my chosen red escape state. 

 

When I told the mortgage lady at the bank (on the phone) how much I pay in taxes she spit out whatever she had been drinking, apologized, and asked if I live in a mansion. (LoL No, I don't.) 



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Posted 24 June 2019 - 01:02 PM

 In my case, the amount I pay for taxes monthly in Illinois will pay for taxes, vacations, and the new house in my chosen red escape state. 

 

I hear you, as I said previous, I rent so I don't pay the property tax directly, but the monthly tax bill alone on the property I rent is equal to what the mortgage payment plus property taxes on a $350,000 house on 100 acres in TN would be.

 

It's mind boggling that what I would pay in property taxes in Illinois can entirely pay the mortgage and property taxes on more house and property in Tennessee.


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Posted 24 June 2019 - 02:45 PM

Of course as a renter, you cannot deduct mortgage interest or taxes.  If you have ample other deductions or limited income, these deductions may or may not be of value to you.  


 


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Posted 24 June 2019 - 03:11 PM

Of course as a renter, you cannot deduct mortgage interest or taxes.  If you have ample other deductions or limited income, these deductions may or may not be of value to you.  

 

That doesn't negate the point that what I would pay in property taxes (even with full tax deductions applied) could pay for an entire mortage and property taxes in another state.  The tax discrepancy is further exacerbated when you add in other IL taxes like the 4.5% income tax vs zero in Tennessee, this is huge for higher income brackets.  Sure some other tax differences may play in favor of IL, but not many.

 

At the end of the day the 'excess' tax burden imposed by Illinois (primarily property taxes) in itself essentially entirely pays for the mortage on a new house in a state like TN and that is my point.


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Posted 24 June 2019 - 05:45 PM

A March poll from the university found that two-thirds of Illinois residents think the state is going in the wrong direction. Yet they voted for democrats. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
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Posted 24 June 2019 - 07:15 PM

A March poll from the university found that two-thirds of Illinois residents think the state is going in the wrong direction.

Yet they voted for democrats.

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 09:40 PM

I browse listings in Missouri and Tennessee at least once a week, I have no iterest in urban living so all my searches start with 50+ acre lots, there isn't a week that goes by that I don't come across a listing that is at minimum double the acreage, about 1/10 the property taxes with a comparable house size for half or less than what it would cost me to buy the house I currently rent.  Also due to the huge difference in property taxes, we can literally afford to spend twice as much so that opens up a lot more options.

 

Southern Missouri is "interesting" EXCEPT for the propensity for damaging windstorms.  I've been checking out areas in northern AZ (Prescott Valley area, Oak Creek, Verde Valley) as their sales taxes are lower AND they are "Constitutional carry".

 

I think selling a house in this state is becoming harder to do. Mine has been on the market for almost 3 months and only 2 showings. I live out in the county and it nice and quite. My neighbor has a 100 yard range for target shooting.

 

And it gets worse 7/1/19.  The "cost" of transferring the title is tripling from $0.50 per $500 assessed value (NOT sale price!!) to $1.50 per $500.  And the gas tax is due to DOUBLE from $0.19 to $0.38 per gallon as soon as Jabba signs the legislation which he has said he would do.  Vehicle registration goes up, cigarette tax goes up, property tax goes up, lawmaker's salaries go up, etc.

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