biggun 1 Posted March 22, 2019 at 04:33 AM Share Posted March 22, 2019 at 04:33 AM To be accused then punished immediately as if convicted has beed a serious problem for a long time with our legal system. There should be a much higher standard than an accusation. Even then the state should pay for all your legal defense.Our legal system is based on innocent until proven guilty. This law says you are guilty until proven innocent. Allegation is not evidence and anyone can make an allegation. This law goes against the legal system and the Constitution and is hard to believe how it became law. I'm not surprised this became law. This is just another way to attack ALL law abiding gun owners. the plan is to make owning firearms so inconvenient, costly, or shameful that we just give up and get rid of them. look at the proposed legislation right now.... want LEO reading your social media ? that may be embarrassing . CCL costs a lot for the license and classes so many on a budget may not be able to afford this Constitutional right. the ISP is doing great job jerking everyone around with ridiculous wait times for a renewal of a FOID or CCL and even have a phone number nobody answers. how about the semi auto ban bill ? better get rid of those guns while you can or you go to prison ( real criminals get probation ). this red flag garbage is just for you guys and gals that may have a bitter ex, goofy family member who doesn't like you ( who doesn't ? ), or ???. Now you have to wonder and maybe worry you'll get a knock on the door and surprise !!! you get to sit in a police car while the cops scoop up your stuff. that'll look good won't it ? the neighbors looking out the windows as the cops walk out of your house carrying your firearms and you're sitting in a police car probably cuffed. those are things law abiding respectable people wish to avoid and that's why the ILGA is doing this, it's too get you to voluntarily give up your rights. i am not real good at wording things but if i was i would say it exactly as you did.PERFECT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Teddybear Posted March 22, 2019 at 05:25 AM Share Posted March 22, 2019 at 05:25 AM When anyone takes out an Order of Protection against you it's scheduled to go before a judge 3 weeks later. BUT 72 hours after the OP was filed the Illinois State Police sends you a letter stating that you must provide the make, model, and serial number of all of your firearms, you must send in your FOID card with that list to the ISP and the name, address, DOB, and FOID card holder of the person you are transferring your firearms to until the OP is over with which is two years later. This is 2 1/2 weeks before seeing a judge about the OP If you get the OP dropped then you have to notify the ISP with court signed proof that it was dropped to get your FOID back and your firearms back from the person you transferred them to. So an OP taken out by anyone even it is not a legitimate reason is the same as an accusation. I know for a fact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted March 22, 2019 at 02:03 PM Share Posted March 22, 2019 at 02:03 PM Can we ask for and be granted an Order of Protection against the Illinois State Police ??Hhhmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricolor Posted March 22, 2019 at 03:41 PM Share Posted March 22, 2019 at 03:41 PM As long as it suits the left's agenda, they will abandon due process. Rember #BelieveAllWomen? Yep, then abandon that when it suits them. Nothing has happened to Justin Fairfax, with two accusations of rape.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericshere Posted April 15, 2019 at 06:03 PM Share Posted April 15, 2019 at 06:03 PM Where is ISRA And the NRA in all of this? Not seeing a lot of help here. This law clearly is in violation of the fifth amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley1955 Posted April 18, 2019 at 04:41 PM Share Posted April 18, 2019 at 04:41 PM Between laws like this, the laws to come, high taxes, democrats having total control of the government, it is long past time to be leaving this state. With only 21 Legislative days until adjournment and the use of "shell bills" I personally expect every single anti-gun bill to be passed into law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted April 18, 2019 at 05:23 PM Share Posted April 18, 2019 at 05:23 PM This is REAL concerning! People (legislators cops etc) are WELL aware of "swatting", this is just an extension of "swatting" IMHO - Just as bad if not worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted April 18, 2019 at 11:45 PM Share Posted April 18, 2019 at 11:45 PM Where is ISRA And the NRA in all of this? Not seeing a lot of help here. This law clearly is in violation of the fifth amendment.It's hard to believe but the NRA supports red flag laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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