TriumphRider Posted February 18, 2020 at 11:55 PM Share Posted February 18, 2020 at 11:55 PM Not 100% sure if this is real, but if it is............ You guys are in for a fight. https://www.vandaliaradio.com/2020/02/18/bill-would-require-1m-liability-insurance-for-illinois-gun-owners/?sc_ref=facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted February 19, 2020 at 12:04 AM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 12:04 AM It's real, and there's a new twist compared to similar bills of the past. This one prohibits the sale of surplus lines insurance to cover criminal defense. It still suffers from the same basic shortcoming the others did, but we won't go into that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted February 19, 2020 at 01:00 AM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 01:00 AM Yes, after they charge you criminally for lawfully defending yourself, you are presumed guilty and pressured to take a plea deal, unless you have sufficient assets to lose on payingfor a private attorney, meaning, the Hobson's choice between financial ruin or wrongful imprisonment. Meanwhile, actual criminals have their gun charges dropped, walk on a recognizance bond and get a public defender paid for by you. Lenient D judges then give them a right cross verbal thrashing before their light sentence, of which they'll only serve a third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdeepv Posted February 19, 2020 at 02:21 AM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 02:21 AM These dum0craps never cease to amaze do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagSlap Posted February 19, 2020 at 02:33 AM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 02:33 AM These dum0craps never cease to amaze do they? Just wait for their next trick next week...It never fails... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted February 19, 2020 at 06:48 AM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 06:48 AM “This one prohibits the sale of surplus lines insurance to cover criminal defense.” Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sctman800 Posted February 19, 2020 at 09:36 AM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 09:36 AM “This one prohibits the sale of surplus lines insurance to cover criminal defense.” Please explain. That is something I am also wondering. Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted February 19, 2020 at 09:55 AM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 09:55 AM It means that your USCCA policy would no longer include coverage for a criminal defense attorney or bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted February 19, 2020 at 12:05 PM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 12:05 PM It means that your USCCA policy would no longer include coverage for a criminal defense attorney or bail. So in other words, they're purposly trying to screw us so we wouldn't be able to afford an attorney.Real nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted February 19, 2020 at 03:30 PM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 03:30 PM Here's the bill: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=5170&GAID=15&SessionID=108&LegID=125571 Note in the first three lines of the bill's synopsis the complete disdain for the American ideal of innocent until proven guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted February 19, 2020 at 03:39 PM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 03:39 PM Seems like it means your policy will pay out to anyone other than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted February 19, 2020 at 03:59 PM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 03:59 PM USCCA will have to sell the legal defense as an optional prepaid legal defense similar to prepaid legal with cheaper rates for insurance only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted February 19, 2020 at 07:57 PM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 07:57 PM USCCA will have to sell the legal defense as an optional prepaid legal defense similar to prepaid legal with cheaper rates for insurance only.Or do what CCW Safe does, become a Legal Service Membership Plan/COOP, with what amounts to yearly retainer fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted February 19, 2020 at 08:03 PM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 08:03 PM Freaking Gong Show alright! This is Bizarro World ... or the Soviet Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod Posted February 19, 2020 at 08:32 PM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 08:32 PM USCCA will have to sell the legal defense as an optional prepaid legal defense similar to prepaid legal with cheaper rates for insurance only.Or do what CCW Safe does, become a Legal Service Membership Plan/COOP, with what amounts to yearly retainer fees. I recently purchased the CCW Ultimate plan. I looked at USCCA but went with CCW just for the reason stated above. The one thing I really liked is that there is no out of pocket money needed with CCW's Ultimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley1955 Posted February 19, 2020 at 10:09 PM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 10:09 PM Still don't think you need to be at IGOLD April 1st in Springfield??? We need every body available. Take the day off now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted February 19, 2020 at 11:45 PM Share Posted February 19, 2020 at 11:45 PM Just what are the poor people supposed to do ? I couldn't afford this insurance and I know there are many more who also can't afford it. :headbang1: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sctman800 Posted February 20, 2020 at 01:47 AM Share Posted February 20, 2020 at 01:47 AM Just what are the poor people supposed to do ? I couldn't afford this insurance and I know there are many more who also can't afford it. :headbang1: And there it is, the real reason. Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted February 20, 2020 at 05:07 AM Share Posted February 20, 2020 at 05:07 AM This law discriminates on numerous protected classes including but not limited to elderly, disabled, and minorities. This may be the intention of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted February 20, 2020 at 12:35 PM Share Posted February 20, 2020 at 12:35 PM Forcing citizens to buy a product to exercise a Constitutional right! We need Dumocrat insurance! No wait, they have that, too ... just ask Peter Stryck, Rod Rosenstein, and Robert Mueller! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted February 20, 2020 at 02:19 PM Share Posted February 20, 2020 at 02:19 PM I'm not a mod so I'll just say this while trying to stay in my lane...don't panic. There's a fundamental problem with this bill that also exisits in every previous version of it. Right now is not the time to worry about it as it's unlikely to move anywhere in present form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted February 20, 2020 at 07:30 PM Share Posted February 20, 2020 at 07:30 PM I'm not a mod so I'll just say this while trying to stay in my lane...don't panic. There's a fundamental problem with this bill that also exisits in every previous version of it. Right now is not the time to worry about it as it's unlikely to move anywhere in present form.Sorry to disagree with you but we need to gather our resources to oppose this bill in whatever form it comes out of committee. We need to head off the "stampede" as quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted February 20, 2020 at 08:08 PM Share Posted February 20, 2020 at 08:08 PM It hasn't been assigned to a substantive committee just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneGun Posted February 21, 2020 at 04:22 AM Share Posted February 21, 2020 at 04:22 AM It amazes me the lengths Demoncrats go thru to deprive us of a basic right. Gives no value to shall not be infringed! Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted February 21, 2020 at 04:35 AM Share Posted February 21, 2020 at 04:35 AM On a postitive note all these silly infringments when passed provide a new avenue to the SCOTUS to have the 2nd finally declared a 1st class right like every other enumerated right in the Constitution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoverGunner Posted February 21, 2020 at 12:56 PM Share Posted February 21, 2020 at 12:56 PM On a postitive note all these silly infringments when passed provide a new avenue to the SCOTUS to have the 2nd finally declared a 1st class right like every other enumerated right in the Constitution!I think you are putting to much Faith in the SCOTUS . Until RBG and roberts (remember he ruled the unaffordable care act was constitutional} are replaced the odds are against us.sotomayor, kagan (should have recused her selfyet she did not on the unaffordable care act). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted February 21, 2020 at 03:14 PM Share Posted February 21, 2020 at 03:14 PM Still don't think you need to be at IGOLD April 1st in Springfield??? We need every body available. Take the day off now. I'd like to see a mass of humanity marching up the street toward the Capitol building. Like the Children of Israel crossing through the Red Sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted February 21, 2020 at 05:04 PM Share Posted February 21, 2020 at 05:04 PM This is a losing proposition, even using grabber standards. The most "affordable" plan I found was $300 and that's PER year, so the total cost for a FOID, not including other costs (under SB 1966) that would be $1500 - not to carry, but to merely "possess" a firearm under the FOID Act. The sponsor for this bill is dumb, but perhaps that is the straw that needs to break the camels back in order to void the FOID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmagloo Posted February 21, 2020 at 05:12 PM Share Posted February 21, 2020 at 05:12 PM Imho, it's definitely going to help stop the gangbangers shooting up the inner city. F'n idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POAT54 Posted February 21, 2020 at 05:22 PM Share Posted February 21, 2020 at 05:22 PM WOW, just to apply or renew a FOID card requires the insurance. How many politicians will still say I support the 2A, I have a FOOL FOID card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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