Weed Posted May 26, 2018 at 05:50 PM Share Posted May 26, 2018 at 05:50 PM There are at one rest stop on 74, 80 and 39 that aren't posted.Did the law change and I missed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlin Posted May 26, 2018 at 06:02 PM Share Posted May 26, 2018 at 06:02 PM Shh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted May 26, 2018 at 09:54 PM Share Posted May 26, 2018 at 09:54 PM My impression has always been that they are prohibited by statute. They fall under the building controlled by the executive branch (3) Any building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of government, Anyone else read the statute that way too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted May 26, 2018 at 11:13 PM Share Posted May 26, 2018 at 11:13 PM My impression has always been that they are prohibited by statute. They fall under the building controlled by the executive branch (3) Any building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of government, Anyone else read the statute that way too?Nope. I've always read that to mean buildings and offices belonging to state government officials, legislators, etc. But people here being who they are started trying to connect the dots... almost trying to find places that could be prohibited if you looked really hard. Rest areas being one of them, as the DOT is part of the executive branch. Then after a while, signs started popping up at rest areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted May 27, 2018 at 01:32 AM Share Posted May 27, 2018 at 01:32 AM My impression has always been that they are prohibited by statute.They fall under the building controlled by the executive branch(3) Any building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of government,Anyone else read the statute that way too?Nope. I've always read that to mean buildings and offices belonging to state government officials, legislators, etc. But people here being who they are started trying to connect the dots... almost trying to find places that could be prohibited if you looked really hard. Rest areas being one of them, as the DOT is part of the executive branch. Then after a while, signs started popping up at rest areas. Yeah, I guess we'll never know whether this group has gotten more posted places unposted, or unposted places posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted May 27, 2018 at 01:15 PM Share Posted May 27, 2018 at 01:15 PM There are at one rest stop on 74, 80 and 39 that aren't posted.Did the law change and I missed it? no change - pays your money and takes your chances if you carry there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted May 27, 2018 at 01:37 PM Share Posted May 27, 2018 at 01:37 PM Without being posted, I would carry on. I am not going to do the research to compel the governments obligation. Signs or not, hospitals say they are hospitals, library’s - libraries and Schools - schools. I have not seen a single rest stop with a sign stating “this is a building under the control of the executive”. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 27, 2018 at 05:00 PM Share Posted May 27, 2018 at 05:00 PM The root cause of the inconsistency is easier to entertain when you see the entrance from the auto parking is posted, and the entrance from the truck parking is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted May 27, 2018 at 05:04 PM Share Posted May 27, 2018 at 05:04 PM The root cause of the inconsistency is easier to entertain when you see the entrance from the auto parking is posted, and the entrance from the truck parking is not. Wow, an FCCL holders preferred entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted May 27, 2018 at 07:03 PM Share Posted May 27, 2018 at 07:03 PM My impression has always been that they are prohibited by statute.They fall under the building controlled by the executive branch(3) Any building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of government,Anyone else read the statute that way too?Nope. I've always read that to mean buildings and offices belonging to state government officials, legislators, etc. But people here being who they are started trying to connect the dots... almost trying to find places that could be prohibited if you looked really hard. Rest areas being one of them, as the DOT is part of the executive branch. Then after a while, signs started popping up at rest areas. The statute says "under control of", not "belonging". Belonging means ownership. By virtue of their elected or appointed positions certain officials have control over certain state owned or leased buildings, offices, or land. That would include rest areas, since they are under control of the Illinois Department of Transportation.It also says these areas must be posted by the legally prescribed signs. "(d ) Signs stating that the carrying of firearms is prohibited shall be clearly and conspicuously posted at the entrance of a building, premises, or real property specified in this Section as a prohibited area, unless the building or premises is a private residence. Signs shall be of a uniform design as established by the Department and shall be 4 inches by 6 inches in size. The Department shall adopt rules for standardized signs to be used under this subsection". The statute also requires that a signs of specific design must be posted by the owner of private property. "(a-10) The owner of private real property of any type may prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms on the property under his or her control. The owner must post a sign in accordance with subsection (d) of this Section indicating that firearms are prohibited on the property, unless the property is a private residence". In other threads some have interpreted this to mean that if an area is not posted, then you cannot be arrested for carrying in that area, even if it is statutorily prohibited. The other argument is that one is required to known the law and would be expected to avoid carrying in those areas designated as prohibited by statute. I doubt that earlier discussions here had anything to do with the appearance of the signs at rest areas. I think it was more likely the slowness of the bureaucracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted May 28, 2018 at 02:13 AM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 02:13 AM Rest areas where posted during the Quin adminstration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oohrah Posted May 28, 2018 at 05:11 AM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 05:11 AM Last rest area in So IL I stopped at was posted. Y'all have it better. In Texas, statutorily off-limits places are not required to post, but if you are licensed you are expected to know them all, or you can get busted if you go into one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted May 28, 2018 at 03:53 PM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 03:53 PM We need a refinement to the law to clarify that even statutory items must be posted to be prohibited. No posting, not restricted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted May 28, 2018 at 04:41 PM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 04:41 PM If you print so bad that you get arrested at a rest stop, well maybe you need a spankin'. Here are some interesting observations from an ex-LEO. https://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/highway-rest-areas-your-firearms-personal-safety/#axzz5Goa79hns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 28, 2018 at 05:06 PM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 05:06 PM Y'all have it better. In Texas, statutorily off-limits places are not required to post, but if you are licensed you are expected to know them all, or you can get busted if you go into one. In Illinois:First offense is a misdemeanor with a mandatory fineSecond offense is a misdemeanor with a mandatory fine and a discretionary 6 month CCL suspensionThird offense is a felony (prison, lose your guns forever in every state, etc.)Is that "better" than Texas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRApistol Posted May 28, 2018 at 05:35 PM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 05:35 PM Y'all have it better. In Texas, statutorily off-limits places are not required to post, but if you are licensed you are expected to know them all, or you can get busted if you go into one.In Illinois:First offense is a misdemeanor with a mandatory fineSecond offense is a misdemeanor with a mandatory fine and a discretionary 6 month CCL suspensionThird offense is a felony (prison, lose your guns forever in every state, etc.)Is that "better" than Texas? I think any second or subsequent offense is just a Class A misdemeanor. From HB183 Section 70 Violations: (e) Except as otherwise provided, a licensee in violation of this Act shall be guilty of a Class B misdemeanor. A second or subsequent violation is a Class A misdemeanor. The Department may suspend a license for up to 6 months for a second violation and shall permanently revoke a license for 3 or more violations of Section 65 of this Act. Any person convicted of a violation under this Section shall pay a $150 fee to be deposited into the Mental Health Reporting Fund, plus any applicable court costs or fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted May 28, 2018 at 06:05 PM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 06:05 PM We need a refinement to the law to clarify that even statutory items must be posted to be prohibited. No posting, not restricted.Sadly with the current climate in Springfield any “refinement “ would probably not be in our favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted May 28, 2018 at 06:14 PM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 06:14 PM I don't know if we'll EVER see this in ILL-annoy. At least some places can get it right: https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/odot-confirms-all-no-guns-signs-rest-stops-and-visitor-centers-have-been-removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 28, 2018 at 06:26 PM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 06:26 PM In Illinois:First offense is a misdemeanor with a mandatory fineSecond offense is a misdemeanor with a mandatory fine and a discretionary 6 month CCL suspensionThird offense is a felony (prison, lose your guns forever in every state, etc.)Is that "better" than Texas? I think any second or subsequent offense is just a Class A misdemeanor. From HB183 Section 70 Violations: (e) Except as otherwise provided, a licensee in violation of this Act shall be guilty of a Class B misdemeanor. A second or subsequent violation is a Class A misdemeanor. The Department may suspend a license for up to 6 months for a second violation and shall permanently revoke a license for 3 or more violations of Section 65 of this Act. Any person convicted of a violation under this Section shall pay a $150 fee to be deposited into the Mental Health Reporting Fund, plus any applicable court costs or fees. Oops. GFZ and alcohol violations collided in my memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oohrah Posted May 28, 2018 at 07:57 PM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 07:57 PM Y'all have it better. In Texas, statutorily off-limits places are not required to post, but if you are licensed you are expected to know them all, or you can get busted if you go into one.In Illinois:First offense is a misdemeanor with a mandatory fineSecond offense is a misdemeanor with a mandatory fine and a discretionary 6 month CCL suspensionThird offense is a felony (prison, lose your guns forever in every state, etc.)Is that "better" than Texas? Yes, it's worse, because a first offense violation is a Class A misdemeanor and you lose your license to carry for seven years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted May 28, 2018 at 11:38 PM Share Posted May 28, 2018 at 11:38 PM We need a refinement to the law to clarify that even statutory items must be posted to be prohibited. No posting, not restricted.It's already there. The sign posting requirement applies to ALL of section 65, not just the non-statutory locations. There's also language that one cannot knowingly enter a prohibited location while carrying, hence the posting requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumgod Posted May 29, 2018 at 03:48 PM Share Posted May 29, 2018 at 03:48 PM Prohibited areas *are* legally required to post. Obviously the un-posted sites are not "under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of government" otherwise they'd be posted as required by law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billzfx4 Posted May 29, 2018 at 09:16 PM Share Posted May 29, 2018 at 09:16 PM Somebody should call and ask 'em. :lips sealed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted June 2, 2018 at 10:08 PM Share Posted June 2, 2018 at 10:08 PM I just drove back and forth to St Louis on I55 and every rest stop I visited was posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 3, 2018 at 03:43 AM Share Posted June 3, 2018 at 03:43 AM I just drove back and forth to St Louis on I55 and every rest stop I visited was posted. Same with the ones I was at on I57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SycamoreRuger Posted June 5, 2018 at 05:40 PM Share Posted June 5, 2018 at 05:40 PM My impression has always been that they are prohibited by statute. They fall under the building controlled by the executive branch(3) Any building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of government, Anyone else read the statute that way too? My CCL instructor (a former LEO) specifically stressed that rest areas are under executive branch control, and therefore prohibited areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted December 11, 2018 at 04:24 AM Share Posted December 11, 2018 at 04:24 AM Just did a search of all 50 states and ILLannoy is the only one I can find that bans carry at a highway rest stop. Yeah, why should you have the right to defend yourself at 2 a.m. in a dark secluded place where nearest LEO might be dozens of miles away.........makes sense to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted December 12, 2018 at 07:04 PM Share Posted December 12, 2018 at 07:04 PM Just did a search of all 50 states and ILLannoy is the only one I can find that bans carry at a highway rest stop. Yeah, why should you have the right to defend yourself at 2 a.m. in a dark secluded place where nearest LEO might be dozens of miles away.........makes sense to me! Also New York State bans firearms at rest areas. Also, Maryland and Virginia are "maybe" banned; kind-of a grey area. The rest of the states do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted December 12, 2018 at 07:42 PM Share Posted December 12, 2018 at 07:42 PM Just did a search of all 50 states and ILLannoy is the only one I can find that bans carry at a highway rest stop. Yeah, why should you have the right to defend yourself at 2 a.m. in a dark secluded place where nearest LEO might be dozens of miles away.........makes sense to me! Also New York State bans firearms at rest areas. Also, Maryland and Virginia are "maybe" banned; kind-of a grey area. The rest of the states do not. I was going by the "Posted" app data, and miss-read NY. Thx for the correction. Gee, IL is in good company on this one..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka Posted December 18, 2018 at 10:51 PM Share Posted December 18, 2018 at 10:51 PM I would not take any chances posted or not. The hassle factor is too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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