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Best Answer Lou , 12 November 2019 - 11:46 AM

I got my DL upgraded to a Real ID a few months back. 
 

I provided my passport as an ID which has my full middle name. My DL, FOID and CCL all have just a middle initial.  
 

They had to update my DL with my full middle name so it matches by passport but my FOID and CCL still just show my middle initial.

 

i’ve check the ISP website several times since and my FOID and CCL still appear as valid 

Bottom line, don’t worry about it.   
 

As an aside, if you intend to update to a Real ID go early in the day.  Not every clerk works on the Real ID and when they reach a certain point they stop accepting upgrades for that day.  

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 11:02 AM

So I renewed my DL and got the REAL ID. The ID has my full middle name, previously I’ve only used my midddle initial. Now that the DL name doesn’t match the name on my FOID and CCL do I have to get a name change on them because one has a full middle name and two have a middle initial? Thanks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Posted 12 November 2019 - 11:36 AM

Tagged because this will hit me too when I finally get the real ID early next year. 



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Posted 12 November 2019 - 11:38 AM

My legal name which I consistently use has my middle initial.   When you applied for REAL ID, was there an option to use your middle initial?  (i.e. enter initial in middle name field to and it accepted it)?


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Posted 12 November 2019 - 11:46 AM

I was told full name because that is what was on my birth certificate. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Posted 12 November 2019 - 11:46 AM   Best Answer

I got my DL upgraded to a Real ID a few months back. 
 

I provided my passport as an ID which has my full middle name. My DL, FOID and CCL all have just a middle initial.  
 

They had to update my DL with my full middle name so it matches by passport but my FOID and CCL still just show my middle initial.

 

i’ve check the ISP website several times since and my FOID and CCL still appear as valid 

Bottom line, don’t worry about it.   
 

As an aside, if you intend to update to a Real ID go early in the day.  Not every clerk works on the Real ID and when they reach a certain point they stop accepting upgrades for that day.  


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Posted 12 November 2019 - 12:03 PM

Hi,

What aggravates me is that a passport will serve in place of Real ID, but a passport isn't enough by itself to get a Real ID issued. Why all the additional paper they insist on?

Just grumbling....

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 12:16 PM

I got my DL upgraded to a Real ID a few months back. 
 
I provided my passport as an ID which has my full middle name. My DL, FOID and CCL all have just a middle initial.  
 
They had to update my DL with my full middle name so it matches by passport but my FOID and CCL still just show my middle initial.
 
i’ve check the ISP website several times since and my FOID and CCL still appear as valid 
Bottom line, don’t worry about it.   
 
As an aside, if you intend to update to a Real ID go early in the day.  Not every clerk works on the Real ID and when they reach a certain point they stop accepting upgrades for that day.


Have you bought anything from an FFL since you upgraded?

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 12:35 PM

Nobody really gives a Roberts backside except ISP. I ran for a couple years with the pictures being different on DL and FOID/FCCL. Got comments from several vendors that they had never seen that before but nobody really cared.
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Posted 12 November 2019 - 12:41 PM

when they reach a certain point they stop accepting upgrades for that day.  

Why doesn’t this surprise me. What the heck does our tax dollars go to?


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Posted 12 November 2019 - 12:52 PM

I got my DL upgraded to a Real ID a few months back. 
 
I provided my passport as an ID which has my full middle name. My DL, FOID and CCL all have just a middle initial.  
 
They had to update my DL with my full middle name so it matches by passport but my FOID and CCL still just show my middle initial.
 
iâve check the ISP website several times since and my FOID and CCL still appear as valid 
Bottom line, donât worry about it.   
 
As an aside, if you intend to update to a Real ID go early in the day.  Not every clerk works on the Real ID and when they reach a certain point they stop accepting upgrades for that day.

Have you bought anything from an FFL since you upgraded?



A friend of mine (a FFL), who I called in the mean time, said he sees differences in the DL and foid/ccl middle names/ initials all the time. He told me itâs nothing to worry about.

Unless otherwise told, I will not pay to have my FOID and CCL changed.

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 12:59 PM

Hi,

What aggravates me is that a passport will serve in place of Real ID, but a passport isn't enough by itself to get a Real ID issued. Why all the additional paper they insist on?

Just grumbling....

Rich Phillips

 

https://www.cyberdri...ns/dsd_x173.pdf
 



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Posted 12 November 2019 - 01:35 PM

I strongly suggest not submitting a name change for your FOID or CCL.  Your name has not changed and the ISP  should already have your middle name, it's just not on your card.

 

ISP has not released a statement about the REAL ID driver's licenses showing the full middle name. So it's status quo until they do.  It would be a nightmare on top of the already long wait times for FOID and CCLs renewals if everyone started requesting name changes - and we shouldn't have to pay the $80 to do it either.


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Posted 12 November 2019 - 01:56 PM

I strongly suggest not submitting a name change for your FOID or CCL.  Your name has not changed and the ISP  should already have your middle name, it's just not on your card.

 

ISP has not released a statement about the REAL ID driver's licenses showing the full middle name. So it's status quo until they do.  It would be a nightmare on top of the already long wait times for FOID and CCLs renewals if everyone started requesting name changes - and we shouldn't have to pay the $80 to do it either.

 

 

They can barley keep up with renewals every 10 years, Imagine them having to re-issue a vast majority of FOID cards...it would be, for lack of a better term, hellacious. 



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Posted 12 November 2019 - 02:04 PM

Wait for renewal time
Do the name adjustment then
Save the headaches and the cash......

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 02:53 PM

Thank you for all the info. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Posted 12 November 2019 - 02:58 PM

 

I got my DL upgraded to a Real ID a few months back. 
 
I provided my passport as an ID which has my full middle name. My DL, FOID and CCL all have just a middle initial.  
 
They had to update my DL with my full middle name so it matches by passport but my FOID and CCL still just show my middle initial.
 
i’ve check the ISP website several times since and my FOID and CCL still appear as valid 
Bottom line, don’t worry about it.   
 
As an aside, if you intend to update to a Real ID go early in the day.  Not every clerk works on the Real ID and when they reach a certain point they stop accepting upgrades for that day.


Have you bought anything from an FFL since you upgraded?

 

No.  Just checked my status on the ISP website. 


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Posted 12 November 2019 - 03:14 PM

Hi Dog1,

I know that already. My point is if TSA and others say a passport will substitute for the new id, why won't the state just let you upgrade by showing the passport instead of insisting on all the additional documents.

I should able to just go to the DMV with my passport and walk out with new paper.

Bureaucrats...

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 05:33 PM

Hi Dog1,

I know that already. My point is if TSA and others say a passport will substitute for the new id, why won't the state just let you upgrade by showing the passport instead of insisting on all the additional documents.

I should able to just go to the DMV with my passport and walk out with new paper.

Bureaucrats...

Rich Phillips

No idea why state does anything but the passport does not prove residency. There is no requirement to update address on passport. State mails real Id to verified address. Passport also does not provide ssn. Passport meets signature and dob requirements.



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Posted 12 November 2019 - 06:52 PM

When and where did that "Best Answer" function start on here?

 

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 07:33 AM

When and where did that "Best Answer" function start on here?
 
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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:25 AM

How do you prove what your ss number is if you don't have a ss card?  I haven't had one for ages but I know my number.


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Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:57 PM

How do you prove what your ss number is if you don't have a ss card?  I haven't had one for ages but I know my number.

  
 

Here is a link to acceptable forms of ID

https://www.cyberdri...ns/dsd_x173.pdf

 

 

interestingly enough your FOID OR FCCL are not acceptable forms of ID. 


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Posted 13 November 2019 - 01:06 PM

Hi Dog1,

I walk in there with my current drivers license that shows my address and a passport that attests to my legitimacy as a citizen -- satisfying any reasonable government interest in my identity. I ought to be able to walk out with their new piece of paper.


Color me just a little bit aggravated...

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 01:38 PM

Current DL satisfies A,B,C and 2 docs satisfies D is what I am reading. Utility bill and one other for D ?


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Posted 13 November 2019 - 01:49 PM

Current DL satisfies A,B,C and 2 docs satisfies D is what I am reading. Utility bill and one other for D ?

You need 2 of the ones marked with an asterisk to satisfy residency. 
 

Official Electronic Statement (dated within 90 days prior to application)

• Bank Statement (dated within 90 days prior to application)*
• Canceled Check (dated within 90 days prior to application)*
• Certified Grade/High School/College/University Transcript*
• Credit Report (issued by Experian, Equifax or TransUnion, dated within 12 months of application)*
• Deed/Title, Mortgage, Rental/Lease agreement*
• Insurance Policy (homeowner’s or renter’s)*
• Letter on Official School Letterhead (dated within 90 days prior to application)*
• Medical Claim or Statement of Benefits (from private insurance company or public
(government) agency, dated within 90 days of application)*
• Official mail received from a State, County, City or Village or a Federal Government
agency (must include first and last name of applicant and complete current address), may include — Homestead Exemption Receipt; Jury Duty Notice (issued within 90 days of application); Selective Service Card; Social Security Annual Statement; Social Se- curity Disability Insurance Statement; Supplemental Security Income Benefits State- ment; Voter Registration Card*
• Pay Stub or Electronic Deposit Receipt*
• Pension or Retirement Statement*
• Phone Book, produced by a phone book publisher*
• Report Card from Grade/High School or College/University*
• Tuition invoice/official mail from college or university, dated within the 12 months prior
to application*
• Utility Bill (electric, water, refuse, telephone land/cell, cable or gas, issued within 90
days of application)*
Group D documents must contain the applicant’s full name and residence address. Docu- ments in Groups A, B or C, that contain the full name and residence address also may be 

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 08:26 AM

My Real ID DL has only middle initial?



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Posted 14 November 2019 - 09:32 AM

I am currently the opposite.  My FOID and CCL already have my full middle name, while my old DL doesn't.  So going to a REAL ID will actually pput them all in sync. 


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Posted 14 November 2019 - 09:39 AM

 

Current DL satisfies A,B,C and 2 docs satisfies D is what I am reading. Utility bill and one other for D ?

You need 2 of the ones marked with an asterisk to satisfy residency. 
 

Official Electronic Statement (dated within 90 days prior to application)

• Bank Statement (dated within 90 days prior to application)*
• Canceled Check (dated within 90 days prior to application)*
• Certified Grade/High School/College/University Transcript*
• Credit Report (issued by Experian, Equifax or TransUnion, dated within 12 months of application)*
• Deed/Title, Mortgage, Rental/Lease agreement*
• Insurance Policy (homeowner’s or renter’s)*
• Letter on Official School Letterhead (dated within 90 days prior to application)*
• Medical Claim or Statement of Benefits (from private insurance company or public
(government) agency, dated within 90 days of application)*
• Official mail received from a State, County, City or Village or a Federal Government
agency (must include first and last name of applicant and complete current address), may include — Homestead Exemption Receipt; Jury Duty Notice (issued within 90 days of application); Selective Service Card; Social Security Annual Statement; Social Se- curity Disability Insurance Statement; Supplemental Security Income Benefits State- ment; Voter Registration Card*
• Pay Stub or Electronic Deposit Receipt*
• Pension or Retirement Statement*
• Phone Book, produced by a phone book publisher*
• Report Card from Grade/High School or College/University*
• Tuition invoice/official mail from college or university, dated within the 12 months prior
to application*
• Utility Bill (electric, water, refuse, telephone land/cell, cable or gas, issued within 90
days of application)*
Group D documents must contain the applicant’s full name and residence address. Docu- ments in Groups A, B or C, that contain the full name and residence address also may be 

 

But does that mean 2 different ones, or can it be two of the same category, i.e. 1 electric, and 1 gas bill?


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Posted 14 November 2019 - 10:04 AM

Has anyone renewed with just the standard DL (without the REAL ID designation) and purchased a firearm since? I've been wondering if this has been affecting purchases at an FFL/if I need to go upgrade my DL before I buy anything else.

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 01:04 PM

Do they make copies of your documents or just look at them?  There is no way I'm giving any state worker my banking/financial information so they can copy it after I leave,


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