steveooo Posted February 26, 2020 at 03:47 AM Share Posted February 26, 2020 at 03:47 AM Hi guys was hoping for some help. I was self checked into a facility in 2010 for depression/suicide due to some tough times, which was only for 2 days and I'm trying to get my FOID again. I'm wondering what I need to put in the section of the "Request for Appeal - Describe the reason for your appeal". I just can't figure out the right wording. How detailed do I get or is there just a simple sentence I should say? Thank you for your time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted February 26, 2020 at 08:09 PM Share Posted February 26, 2020 at 08:09 PM I would put "Seeking relief for mental health prohibitor after checking into a facility for two days 10 years ago". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchDoctor Posted February 26, 2020 at 10:13 PM Share Posted February 26, 2020 at 10:13 PM Listen to Molly B, she is wise and gives sage advice. Best of luck sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfcreek Posted February 27, 2020 at 06:32 PM Share Posted February 27, 2020 at 06:32 PM "Pack up all my cares and woe here I go feelin low,"Bye Bye FOID card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonap Posted February 27, 2020 at 07:51 PM Share Posted February 27, 2020 at 07:51 PM I would put "Seeking relief for mental health prohibitor after checking into a facility for two days 10 years ago".Maybe, "Voluntarily checking in" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfcreek Posted April 24, 2020 at 04:03 PM Share Posted April 24, 2020 at 04:03 PM "ANYONE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that has "ANY" history of the word "Mental" in their history.Will not be issued a FOID.Anyone who tells you different is full of C___.Unless your a blood relative to your governor his honor.The remover of toilets.Now the king has real power.People of Illinois will be held hostage in their homes until Da Gov lets them go.Maybe! I just feel sorry for all those who live outside of cook & the collar counties. Who have to pay for what going on in north eastern Illinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 24, 2020 at 04:17 PM Share Posted April 24, 2020 at 04:17 PM "ANYONE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that has "ANY" history of the word "Mental" in their history.Will not be issued a FOID.... This is inaccurate. It's can be a difficult process that takes time and patience. Not all are successful, but many are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 24, 2020 at 04:20 PM Share Posted April 24, 2020 at 04:20 PM "ANYONE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that has "ANY" history of the word "Mental" in their history.Will not be issued a FOID.I have to disagree with you. Anyone who applies for a FOID card and has been in a mental facility for treatment will be denied until they submit a mental health evaluation showing they are not a danger to themselves or others. If it's been more than five years, a doctor's statement will suffice. If it has been less than five years, then a more involved evaluation is required. True, appeals submitted to override a denial or revocation are taking way longer than they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchDoctor Posted April 24, 2020 at 09:05 PM Share Posted April 24, 2020 at 09:05 PM I am in such a facility right now, three adolescent girls, a wife and two cats. And it is Jabba's fault. His end game is money and custard filled donuts. Fat ******* has enough money to be a true man of the people. Let him eat ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfcreek Posted June 19, 2020 at 12:01 AM Share Posted June 19, 2020 at 12:01 AM Molly & Mauser me. Your wrong ! Unless you have someone on the inside you will never get a FOID with the word "Mental" attached.Your giving hope where there is none.Your giving false hope to people who are spending money on a hopeless pursuit.This is so obvious I can't believe you don't just say it.You know what the goal is in Illinois.They just found an easy out with the "mental" thing.Check out the federal comments on this issue.last time I checked.Illinois & Hawaii were the only states who will not allow people who on there own went for help.It stinks and just makes people who need help,refuse to take a chance at giving up their rights.This going on & on about "hang in there,they will get to you" ..First it was 3 months,then 6 months,1 year,2 years.Call a spade a spade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted June 19, 2020 at 12:57 AM Share Posted June 19, 2020 at 12:57 AM No, you are wrong. I can list name after name of people who went through the appeal process for mental health and now have been issued their FOID card. I don't give false hope, I give truth. And the sad truth is it can take several years but it can be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 19, 2020 at 01:09 AM Share Posted June 19, 2020 at 01:09 AM Molly & Mauser me. Your wrong ! Unless you have someone on the inside you will never get a FOID with the word "Mental" attached.Your giving hope where there is none.Your giving false hope to people who are spending money on a hopeless pursuit.This is so obvious I can't believe you don't just say it.You know what the goal is in Illinois.They just found an easy out with the "mental" thing.Check out the federal comments on this issue.last time I checked.Illinois & Hawaii were the only states who will not allow people who on there own went for help.It stinks and just makes people who need help,refuse to take a chance at giving up their rights.This going on & on about "hang in there,they will get to you" ..First it was 3 months,then 6 months,1 year,2 years.Call a spade a spade.The fact that you've been unsuccessful does not mean that others have not been, or cannot be in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted June 19, 2020 at 06:55 PM Share Posted June 19, 2020 at 06:55 PM I think we all need to make a decision as to what is most important to us, retaining what rights we have under the 2nd Amendment and draconian Federal and State regulation, or seeking help for an emotional or mental illness. Maybe the best compromise would be to seek care from a private mental health practitioner, stating up front that you will be paying for the care privately with no insurance company or government program involved, and then provide a less than accurate name and address to the provider. This is exactly what some that I knew resorted to in another setting, that of military members with security clearances who knew that if they sought help within the military health care system and if that help was for an emotional or mental concern, that they would lose their clearance and likely permanently and irrevocably end their military careers. In my current status as a civilian, and with my current status as being licensed to own and carry a firearm, I would not tempt the state authorities who clearly would prefer if people like me did not exist and would never go for any mental health care that I would have to list on any government form of any kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted June 19, 2020 at 09:58 PM Share Posted June 19, 2020 at 09:58 PM Less than accurate name and addressThat is sure to say “hey I’m not mentally ill” just not my name I just made it up like my little friend here, you can see him right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benbow Posted June 22, 2020 at 04:45 AM Share Posted June 22, 2020 at 04:45 AM this is why, I tell people who are contemplating mental health treatment, to do it out of state. Illinois has no access to mental health records in, for instance, Missouri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted June 22, 2020 at 11:53 AM Share Posted June 22, 2020 at 11:53 AM this is why, I tell people who are contemplating mental health treatment, to do it out of state. Illinois has no access to mental health records in, for instance, Missouri Even if you use your same insurance company to pay the bill? I would not be so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfcreek Posted June 23, 2020 at 03:13 PM Share Posted June 23, 2020 at 03:13 PM Maybe when the Republicans were in office.You might have a chance at a foid with a "mental" attached to your file.Not now & as I said.not while the left is in power.No one is really interested in getting involved in the issue,as long as they have theirs.One day they "will" come for yours.Saying "OH just sit back and wait.The state will come through.To me is like saying."HEY" we only had men & women dying in the Mideast since the 101st hit the ground in 1990.Dont worry sit back and relax.The government will come through.we will all come home soon.I swear,some of these answers about the ISP taking care of business for us sound like voices backed by the ISP itself.Giberish ! Don't tell me it's raining when your Pi----- down my back.I always remember the words from a Bronx tail. Sonny was right "NOBODY CARES" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 23, 2020 at 03:24 PM Share Posted June 23, 2020 at 03:24 PM Maybe when the Republicans were in office.You might have a chance at a foid with a "mental" attached to your file.Not now & as I said.not while the left is in power.No one is really interested in getting involved in the issue,as long as they have theirs.One day they "will" come for yours.Saying "OH just sit back and wait.The state will come through.To me is like saying."HEY" we only had men & women dying in the Mideast since the 101st hit the ground in 1990.Dont worry sit back and relax.The government will come through.we will all come home soon.I swear,some of these answers about the ISP taking care of business for us sound like voices backed by the ISP itself.Giberish ! Don't tell me it's raining when your Pi----- down my back. I always remember the words from a Bronx tail. Sonny was right "NOBODY CARES" I'm sorry things haven't worked out for you, and I understand that you are intimately familiar with your own set of circumstances. But you simply don't know anyone's circumstances beyond your own. None at all, other than your specific case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreag Posted June 24, 2020 at 05:21 PM Share Posted June 24, 2020 at 05:21 PM I am in the same situation. Voluntarily checked in for a short stay in 2013. I was under the impression that I would automatically be eligible again as long as 5 years passed "without incident". Imagine my surprise when I logged into the ISP site and am listed STILL as REVOKED. I certainly didn't realize I'd have to go through this whole appeal process. UGH! Thanks for sharing this and wish me luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted June 24, 2020 at 09:33 PM Share Posted June 24, 2020 at 09:33 PM I am in the same situation. Voluntarily checked in for a short stay in 2013. I was under the impression that I would automatically be eligible again as long as 5 years passed "without incident". Imagine my surprise when I logged into the ISP site and am listed STILL as REVOKED. I certainly didn't realize I'd have to go through this whole appeal process. UGH! Thanks for sharing this and wish me luck!The IL General Assembly changed the law, I think in 2013, that even if the 5 years had passed, a mental health certification still had to be submitted to ISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 25, 2020 at 03:21 AM Share Posted June 25, 2020 at 03:21 AM https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Faq.aspx Per ISPFSB FAQ 3. FOID Eligibility and the Application ProcessQ: Who is eligible for a FOID Card? A: To be eligible for a FOID card, a person must be 21 years of age or have a parent or guardian sponsor that is eligible for a FOID card. An applicant must not be prohibited from possessing firearms in accordance with state or federal law. This requires the applicant is/has:...Not been a patient in a mental health facility within the past five years. Not been a patient in a mental health facility more than five years ago, unless the applicant submits a Mental Health certification under 430 ILCS 65/8(u).... http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=043000650K8430 ILCS 65/8... (e) A person who has been a patient of a mentalhealth facility within the past 5 years or a person who has been a patient in a mental health facility more than 5 years ago who has not received the certification required under subsection (u) of this Section. ...(u) A person who has had his or her Firearm Owner's Identification Card revoked or denied under subsection (e) of this Section or item (iv) of paragraph (2) of subsection (a) of Section 4 of this Act because he or she was a patient in a mental health facility as provided in subsection (e) of this Section, shall not be permitted to obtain a Firearm Owner's Identification Card, after the 5-year period has lapsed, unless he or she has received a mental health evaluation by a physician, clinical psychologist, or qualified examiner as those terms are defined in the Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Code, and has received a certification that he or she is not a clear and present danger to himself, herself, or others. The physician, clinical psychologist, or qualified examiner making the certification and his or her employer shall not be held criminally, civilly, or professionally liable for making or not making the certification required under this subsection, except for willful or wanton misconduct. This subsection does not apply to a person whose firearm possession rights have been restored through administrative or judicial action under Section 10 or 11 of this Act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfcreek Posted June 25, 2020 at 05:26 PM Share Posted June 25, 2020 at 05:26 PM Maybe when the Republicans were in office.You might have a chance at a foid with a "mental" attached to your file.Not now & as I said.not while the left is in power.No one is really interested in getting involved in the issue,as long as they have theirs.One day they "will" come for yours.Saying "OH just sit back and wait.The state will come through.To me is like saying."HEY" we only had men & women dying in the Mideast since the 101st hit the ground in 1990.Dont worry sit back and relax.The government will come through.we will all come home soon.I swear,some of these answers about the ISP taking care of business for us sound like voices backed by the ISP itself.Giberish ! Don't tell me it's raining when your Pi----- down my back.I always remember the words from a Bronx tail. Sonny was right "NOBODY CARES"I'm sorry things haven't worked out for you, and I understand that you are intimately familiar with your own set of circumstances. But you simply don't know anyone's circumstances beyond your own. None at all, other than your specific case. "WRONG" Ive done a ton of research into this,before I opened my mouth.Been in contact with many in the same situation.Including law enforcement,lawyers,etc,etc.I stand by my statement.Unless you are connected or have some special in with the ISP.You will never get a foid.It's amazing that you people keep feeding this false hope to people.Im sure you can pull someone out of a hat that will deny this.Just like the politicians find people to further their cause.I know "Plenty" of specifics" I also know there are people out there taking big money to verify mental health and telling people that they will have their foid in 90 days.Knowing that will never happen.Go on line,they are all over the place in Illinois.I know no body wants to take the reins on this issue.because these 5 years later people are a minority and no one wants to p _ _ _ off the Gov. for fear of loosing their foid.This forum is , Im sure on the ISP radar . Stop feeding people false hope.It's freekin Illinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted June 25, 2020 at 05:38 PM Share Posted June 25, 2020 at 05:38 PM We can't post all the names here because it would be a violation of their privacy, but I guarantee you that although the process is slow, people are getting their FOID cards through the mental health appeal process. I see no purpose for you to keep saying we're are offering false hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanie Patriot Posted July 29, 2020 at 05:39 AM Share Posted July 29, 2020 at 05:39 AM Got a mental health denial, though it's over 5 yrs, and it was my first time to apply for a foid card. I'm pretty sure that the hospital made a mistake calling it involuntary. Anyone know lawyers in Dupage county, that specialize in the mental health denial appeal process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted July 29, 2020 at 08:01 PM Share Posted July 29, 2020 at 08:01 PM when it's been over 5 years, the appeal process is fairly straight forward and an attorney is optional unless you just want them to fill out the forms you have to submit. We have a list at this link: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=40387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanie Patriot Posted July 30, 2020 at 04:19 PM Share Posted July 30, 2020 at 04:19 PM Thanks Molly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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