Paul Kirsey Posted April 10, 2014 at 01:07 PM Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 01:07 PM After being denied due to revoked instructor I will be doing remedial training over the weekend. I originally applied 1-5-14 with no prints. Received my denial letter 4-2-14. I plan on emailing ISP all the required photos the night I get home from training . I was wondering if anyone has gone through the appeal process? Does the clock start again and I can look forward to getting my CCL in July or will I be bumped to the head of the line as it seems ISP has probably already looked into my background? Tried contacting ISP by phone and email. No response to email and phone says too busy, call back later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted April 10, 2014 at 01:15 PM Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 01:15 PM 1/5 no print apps don't know what the head of the line looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted April 10, 2014 at 01:42 PM Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 01:42 PM 1/5 no print apps don't know what the head of the line looks like.So are you saying you were under Appeal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillT Posted April 10, 2014 at 01:43 PM Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 01:43 PM I don't think anybody has started the appeals process yet, let alone finished it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kirsey Posted April 10, 2014 at 02:11 PM Author Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 02:11 PM Wow, so it sounds like I could make history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted April 10, 2014 at 02:20 PM Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 02:20 PM 1/5 no print apps don't know what the head of the line looks like.So are you saying you were under Appeal?No. The op wondered if his original 1/5 submit prior to having his training revoked would bump him to front of the line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted April 10, 2014 at 02:23 PM Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 02:23 PM I would want to forgo that distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskies98 Posted April 10, 2014 at 05:21 PM Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 05:21 PM I originally applied 1-22-14Was notified of revoked instructor training issue 3-14-14. Site shows me denied.Took another training classEmailed the appeal 4-3-14Still shows denied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted April 10, 2014 at 06:27 PM Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 06:27 PM I have NOT looked at the FCCL statute in detail yet, but you guys might want to keep something in mind. The statutes are all very clear on the amount of time you have to submit your appeal after being denied. I am NOT aware of anything in the statute that provides a guideline on how long it might take for the appeal to be processed. Let me share some joy.as most of you are aware I got bit by the FOID Revocation provisions in 430 ICLS 65/8(e) back in September 2013. I received the revocation letter on October 10, 2013. My Revocation Appeal was completed and Submitted on October 21, 2013. That means that in a bit over a week it will be SIX MONTHS SINCE MY APPEAL PACKAGE WAS SUBMITTED and I still have not heard one word other than a confirmation that the people responsible for processing the appeal have a completed package. Again, repeating, I haven't confirmed the issue of whether the FCCL has a timeline for the processing of Review Board denial appeals....however, if it is anything like FOID Revocation if you are in that position you had better have quite a bit of patience and realize that you may be in limbo for a long haul. I am coming from this having had the benefit of good advice and lots of attorney involvement. If you approach this thinking things are going to happen fast you may be in for a very large dose of frustration. My purpose is not to discourage anyone, just to put it out there that there may be a reality here that doesn't match what you are expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1700715 Posted April 10, 2014 at 07:47 PM Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 07:47 PM Sec 87 of the FCCL law says you petition the court after 90 days when ISP fails to respond. You could apply that to receipt of an appeal that has not received an response in 90 days. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted April 10, 2014 at 08:08 PM Share Posted April 10, 2014 at 08:08 PM Sec 87 of the FCCL law says you petition the court after 90 days when ISP fails to respond. You could apply that to receipt of an appeal that has not received an response in 90 days. Sent from my XT1080 using TapatalkThough you run into a very interesting issue with respect to whether commencing litigation before receiving the result of an appeal meets the standard for exhaustion of administrative remedies. Again...I was careful to preface my post with a caution about not having dug into the FCCL statute in the same fashion as I have looked at the FOID statute. Just something to be aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zud Posted April 11, 2014 at 02:13 PM Share Posted April 11, 2014 at 02:13 PM I just e-mailed my appeal this morning. I will keep you posted if I hear from the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed223 Posted April 11, 2014 at 06:53 PM Share Posted April 11, 2014 at 06:53 PM I applied 1/2 with prints, just getting my appeal together with my attorney now. Submitting to county next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnwfan3 Posted April 12, 2014 at 01:29 AM Share Posted April 12, 2014 at 01:29 AM I filed my appeal this morning. The way I understand it is that the hearing is where we get to plead our case. When I filed, they gave me a court date, I'm not sure exactly how they determine the dates or time, but my date is exactly 4 months from the day I appealed. So it is definitely not going to be a quick process, and to top it off, I still don't know why I was denied (outside of the standard "you are a danger to your self........" letter) so now I will have to battle to get that information before my court date so I at least know what I am appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTStang08 Posted April 12, 2014 at 02:16 AM Share Posted April 12, 2014 at 02:16 AM ^^^ same with me!! They put a court date 4 months out!! I'm in dupage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zud Posted April 12, 2014 at 10:45 PM Share Posted April 12, 2014 at 10:45 PM So what is the approximate wait time for an appeal of a denied permit, not by Board Review? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillR Posted April 12, 2014 at 10:48 PM Share Posted April 12, 2014 at 10:48 PM Ah the old space/time relationship...does weight have mass...... Oh wait Seriously .... I do hope you get the permit quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted April 12, 2014 at 11:14 PM Share Posted April 12, 2014 at 11:14 PM · Hidden by mauserme, April 13, 2014 at 12:41 AM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, April 13, 2014 at 12:41 AM - No reason given So what is the approximate weight time for an appeal of a denied permit, not by Board Review?"weight time" ....oh gawd..give me a break...if we try to articulate a concept and act like a bunch of illiterate baboons...we ought not expect much.....try "wait time"....an point is "moot" note "mute".....if you can't express yourself with proper spelling, grammar, etc, then don't it isn't helpful. Link to comment
moon Posted April 14, 2014 at 04:07 PM Share Posted April 14, 2014 at 04:07 PM After being denied due to revoked instructor I will be doing remedial training over the weekend. I originally applied 1-5-14 with no prints. Received my denial letter 4-2-14. I plan on emailing ISP all the required photos the night I get home from training . I was wondering if anyone has gone through the appeal process? Does the clock start again and I can look forward to getting my CCL in July or will I be bumped to the head of the line as it seems ISP has probably already looked into my background? Tried contacting ISP by phone and email. No response to email and phone says too busy, call back later. I'm in the same boat with nearly identical dates. I just took the retraining and emailed the certificate along with original denial letter. I just tried calling to get a better answer on timing and what to expect but their voice mail is full and cannot leave a message. I really hope we are not thrown back to the bottom of the pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted April 14, 2014 at 04:08 PM Share Posted April 14, 2014 at 04:08 PM I filed my appeal this morning. The way I understand it is that the hearing is where we get to plead our case. When I filed, they gave me a court date, I'm not sure exactly how they determine the dates or time, but my date is exactly 4 months from the day I appealed. So it is definitely not going to be a quick process, and to top it off, I still don't know why I was denied (outside of the standard "you are a danger to your self........" letter) so now I will have to battle to get that information before my court date so I at least know what I am appealing. You might have a different situation than those who were denied for the instructor that was revoked. Those who were affected by this instructor just need to resubmit a new training certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kirsey Posted April 14, 2014 at 08:52 PM Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 at 08:52 PM Took my training over the weekend, got my certificate, and emailed everything ISP was asking for last night. I flagged my email to ISP to let me know when it is actually opened. So far, no change in my status. I will keep everyone updated. Hopefully, ISP will surprise me with good news soon. Not holding my breath, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted April 15, 2014 at 02:42 PM Share Posted April 15, 2014 at 02:42 PM Paul - has the ISP opened your message yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted April 15, 2014 at 02:53 PM Share Posted April 15, 2014 at 02:53 PM Took my training over the weekend, got my certificate, and emailed everything ISP was asking for last night. I flagged my email to ISP to let me know when it is actually opened. So far, no change in my status. I will keep everyone updated. Hopefully, ISP will surprise me with good news soon. Not holding my breath, though. Did you ask for acknowledgement on the email or put in a period (or blank) gif and watch the logs? (which is what paid services do)I almost never acknowledge receipt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted April 15, 2014 at 03:08 PM Share Posted April 15, 2014 at 03:08 PM Took my training over the weekend, got my certificate, and emailed everything ISP was asking for last night. I flagged my email to ISP to let me know when it is actually opened. So far, no change in my status. I will keep everyone updated. Hopefully, ISP will surprise me with good news soon. Not holding my breath, though. Did you ask for acknowledgement on the email or put in a period (or blank) gif and watch the logs? (which is what paid services do)I almost never acknowledge receipt. What does a blank gif do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted April 15, 2014 at 03:21 PM Share Posted April 15, 2014 at 03:21 PM Having dealt with ISP in connection with another appeal process....and this doesn't involve the courts...based upon my experience it will probably take them MONTHS to review your appeal and get back to you. They don't provide priority to anything that I have seen take a number, sit down and wait in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted April 15, 2014 at 04:01 PM Share Posted April 15, 2014 at 04:01 PM Elmer I hope you are wrong. Especially in the case where the instructor messed us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted April 15, 2014 at 05:50 PM Share Posted April 15, 2014 at 05:50 PM Elmer I hope you are wrong. Especially in the case where the instructor messed us up. I would certainly like to be wrong too..however consider that my FOID appeal has been sitting with ISP for six months....and I know of at least eight or ten more that have been sitting LONGER THAN A YEAR. I am the last person in the world that wants to see anyone suffer through this nightmare. I have also already seen better than $30K go into the process....where the instructor had bad creds....it technically shouldn't even be an appeal.....it is essentially nothing that is your fault....it is entirely on the head of someone you relied on I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted April 15, 2014 at 06:03 PM Share Posted April 15, 2014 at 06:03 PM Elmer - have you tried to contact your state rep, senator and or Todd and Valinda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted April 15, 2014 at 06:08 PM Share Posted April 15, 2014 at 06:08 PM I don't believe you guys are actually filing an appeal. The people that were denied for other reasons after board review and received letters stating the reason (as vague as it may be) have to actually file the appeal with their local circuit court. From what I've seen on your denial letters, you guys basically just have to update ISP with your new proof of training via email. I'm willing to bet that you'll receive your license in the same amount of time as others that applied in a similar fashion (prints/no prints, app date, etc.), with the time from initial denial until submitting proof of training added on. 90/120 days plus the few extra weeks. I suppose all we can do is wait and find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kirsey Posted April 15, 2014 at 06:59 PM Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 at 06:59 PM Hope you're right Mike. Thanks for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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