Poetical1 Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:00 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:00 PM https://patch.com/illinois/oaklawn/gun-defaced-serial-number-found-19-year-old-burbank-mans-car-police Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:08 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:08 PM Sounds like they caught another bad guy in the typical police state fashion. Driving a car with windows tinted too dark for their liking, found with a gun without an identification number on it, found a magazine exceeding the number of rounds deemed allowable by somebody. Yep. Gotta love it when it works to catch the right people....right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windchaser Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:12 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:12 PM The says he is 19 and later said the prosecutor asked from him to surrender his FOID and CCL. How could he have a CCL if he is only 19. Too bad the serial number was defaced. This could have possibly be a test case for the 10 round magazine limit. It still could but have the serial number defaced doesn't make him look like a fine upstanding gun owner. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:16 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:16 PM I'm shocked that he had a FOID and CCL...and then had a defaced weapon. I'm not so shocked that a Cook County judge doesn't know that the magazine limit is preempted by state law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:36 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:36 PM As stated above he could not have had a CCL. He should be getting a talking to from the feds about the defaced serial number but bet he doesn't. Lets make another law for the rest of us instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted April 27, 2017 at 06:05 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 06:05 PM Maybe this is what he had to surrender: http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs077/1103736719677/img/6.jpg?a=1103741852163 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnnuguy Posted April 27, 2017 at 06:11 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 06:11 PM Serial number on barrel and stock? 19 tears old? What moron writes this chit?Where is the Federal charge for having a defaced firearm? 19yo with a ccl? Is he a U.S.citizen?What about the passenger? Gangbanger? Suspected in a previous shooting? Just unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted April 27, 2017 at 06:54 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 06:54 PM 1) This somehow went from stopping him for having his windows tinted too dark to the cops searching his car and finding a pistol with a defaced serial number. Either he consented to the search (shame on him), the cops just tossed his car because they had him stopped (anything they found should be tossed), or the cops had a warrant or probable cause. Either big chunks of information missing from the article or big problems with the case.2) Defaced serial number? No sympathy here. Maybe he shouldn't be in trouble due to a potentially illegal search and seizure, but he deserves what he gets. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.3) I see nothing about them going after him over the magazine capacity, except for a few comments from the judge, the SA, and the public defender. The magazine should be a non-issue, especially since it was a handgun magazine, being transported by the holder of a FOID card. Of course, once the defaced serial number on the handgun was discovered, he was no longer the holder of a valid FOID card, and protection from local ordinances no longer applies... I'd say much of this comes down to which came first, the chicken or the egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockdiver Posted April 27, 2017 at 07:10 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 07:10 PM Cook limit is not 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockdiver Posted April 27, 2017 at 07:12 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 07:12 PM Cook limit is not 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POAT54 Posted April 27, 2017 at 07:13 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 07:13 PM Crook county magazine 10 rounds? Thought it was 12. (yep preemption)Never said if it was a handgun? CCL at 19?30 round clip with 25 rounds in it? 30 rounds 40 cal magazine? FAKE NEWS!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockdiver Posted April 27, 2017 at 07:14 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 07:14 PM The says he is 19 and later said the prosecutor asked from him to surrender his FOID and CCL. How could he have a CCL if he is only 19. Too bad the serial number was defaced. This could have possibly be a test case for the 10 round magazine limit. It still could but have the serial number defaced doesn't make him look like a fine upstanding gun owner. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I would sure as heck hope this would not be a test case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:54 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:54 PM 1) This somehow went from stopping him for having his windows tinted too dark to the cops searching his car and finding a pistol with a defaced serial number. Either he consented to the search (shame on him), the cops just tossed his car because they had him stopped (anything they found should be tossed), or the cops had a warrant or probable cause. Either big chunks of information missing from the article or big problems with the case.2) Defaced serial number? No sympathy here. Maybe he shouldn't be in trouble due to a potentially illegal search and seizure, but he deserves what he gets. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.3) I see nothing about them going after him over the magazine capacity, except for a few comments from the judge, the SA, and the public defender. The magazine should be a non-issue, especially since it was a handgun magazine, being transported by the holder of a FOID card. Of course, once the defaced serial number on the handgun was discovered, he was no longer the holder of a valid FOID card, and protection from local ordinances no longer applies... I'd say much of this comes down to which came first, the chicken or the egg. Agree. Most likely the gentleman in question was either known to police to be a problem child or they asked to search and the idiot gave permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted April 27, 2017 at 09:19 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 09:19 PM Cook limit is not 10.And this is a judge who said that, someone needs to tell him about pre-emotion. But he should go down for the defaced serial number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted April 27, 2017 at 09:32 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 09:32 PM Cook limit is not 10.And this is a judge who said that, someone needs to tell him about pre-emotion. But he should go down for the defaced serial number. Again, agreed...unless the cops just pulled him over and decided to toss his car. If he gave them permission to search the vehicle or if they had probable cause or a warrant, throw the book at him. But if they decided to search his car...because...then everything should be tossed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted April 27, 2017 at 09:55 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 09:55 PM Does mag preemption apply if the firearm is illegally possessed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted April 27, 2017 at 11:21 PM Share Posted April 27, 2017 at 11:21 PM Does mag preemption apply if the firearm is illegally possessed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Nope. Handgun and handgun ammunition preemption applies to individuals carrying in accordance with the FCCA, and firearms and firearms ammunition preemption applies to valid FOID holders. I would say if you are in possession of something for which your FOID could be revoked, preemption Don't help you either. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted April 28, 2017 at 01:15 AM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 01:15 AM The article is a hot mess. Too bad the writer's Journalism professor doesn't offer refunds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted April 28, 2017 at 03:08 AM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 03:08 AM Does mag preemption apply if the firearm is illegally possessed? Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNope. Handgun and handgun ammunition preemption applies to individuals carrying in accordance with the FCCA, and firearms and firearms ammunition preemption applies to valid FOID holders. I would say if you are in possession of something for which your FOID could be revoked, preemption Don't help you either. Sent from my SM-G935V using TapatalkThat's what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kster Posted April 28, 2017 at 02:21 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 02:21 PM now....here's to playing devil's advocate. if i built my own pistol from an 80%. i'm not required to have a serial number in the first place. if i stippled a rectangular area on the slide/frame, that could be construed as defacing a serial...except there was none there to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcompton Posted April 28, 2017 at 03:59 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 03:59 PM now....here's to playing devil's advocate. if i built my own pistol from an 80%. i'm not required to have a serial number in the first place. if i stippled a rectangular area on the slide/frame, that could be construed as defacing a serial...except there was none there to begin with. Exactly! I build all sorts of 0% and 80% stuff. Glocks, 1911's, AR's, heck Matrix now has Sig 226 and 229 80's. If I build it myself for personal use I am not required to put any markings on it at all. What if I am carrying an 80% P226 and get pulled over. Guess what it has no markings on it. Now in this case...I highly doubt said youth is an avid hobby machinist and gunsmith...but, you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted April 28, 2017 at 05:01 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 05:01 PM now....here's to playing devil's advocate. if i built my own pistol from an 80%. i'm not required to have a serial number in the first place. if i stippled a rectangular area on the slide/frame, that could be construed as defacing a serial...except there was none there to begin with. My guess is the extent of this fella's mechanical aptitude is limited to flushing a toilet. Perhaps he can't even do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted April 28, 2017 at 05:18 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 05:18 PM now....here's to playing devil's advocate. if i built my own pistol from an 80%. i'm not required to have a serial number in the first place. if i stippled a rectangular area on the slide/frame, that could be construed as defacing a serial...except there was none there to begin with. "Defaced serial number" is not the same as "no serial number". The article had details (though the author didn't know what she was talking about). Serial number was scratches off of the barrel and stock (lol). I am guessing by stock, she probably means "slide". Prosecutor says another label with the serial number was removed. Guessing by that he means the imbedded plate on a polymer frame with the serial number. So no, this was not a 3D printed or 80% frame that was never serialized. This gun had a serial number, and that serial number was defaced. This is a huge no-no by federal AND state law. If he had an 80% Glock frame built out into a pistol, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevintb7 Posted April 30, 2017 at 05:00 AM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 05:00 AM I'm glad someone mentioned the 80% thing i had the same question. I've always wondered why they put serial numbers on the non-firearm parts like the barrel or slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VannDaddy Posted April 30, 2017 at 11:48 AM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 11:48 AM This reminds me of People be Larry Flint. In the film the line goes something like this: If the law will protect a scum bag like me (Flint) then it will protect anyone. I have no problem getting behind this case. 1. I thought tinted windows were legal, not an excuse for probable cause. 2. Was this 19yo actually issued a ccl? Government malfeasance? If this young male wins at trial because of the police not doing their jobs properly then I think that's a win for everyone, including the law abiding people who have no buddies with badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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