Don't let the door hit ya Rahm!

[Joebillybob]

 

Louis Guttierrez will be the candidate.

You may be right. And God help Chicago if the FALN terrorist does get in....or heck anyone else that may jump in. Hispanic vote will determine the next mayor either way

 

 

SCC refers to Gutierrez as D-FALN

 

too funny

[spec4]

This thread made me wonder if Durbin may be thinking of retiring.

[GLOCK22]

This thread made me wonder if Durbin may be thinking of retiring.

 

One can only hope.....

[framos242]

This thread made me wonder if Durbin may be thinking of retiring.

And that's where Rahm will end up.... That would suck

[Jeffrey]

This thread made me wonder if Durbin may be thinking of retiring.

And that's where Rahm will end up.... That would suck

why not madigans spot?

 

 

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[gunuser17]

Beware what you wish for. If you end up with the Prince as governor and a socialist as Mayor, you will see a push to eliminate concealed carry, whether constitutional or not. The mayor's race will see a whole host of freebies promised to win vote. You will see a rebirth of a ban of virtually all guns in Chicago, whether constitutional or not. They just don't care about constitutionality - let you fight it in courts for years. Taxes, well, the sky is the limit with a socialist - Elizabeth Warren said a 50% rate at the federal level was fine with her. Add in New York City or California level state and/or local income taxes topping out above 11% and look out. As some have predicted, this may only hasten the demise of the city and state's financial fortunes leading to an inevitable bankruptcy.

[vito]

I can only hope that a Republican with an ability to raise money and some name recognition decides to go for it. The campaign would be simple: a direct appeal to the black community, saying "look what these Democrats, despite their promises year after year, decade after decade, have done to YOUR city. I will fight the teachers' unions and allow your children to go to charter schools and get a real education. I will use whatever it takes to shut down the gangs that are killing your children. And I will end the local corruption and bring jobs back to this city so that you can have a better life." Or something like that. At some point the black community will wake up (I hope) and recognize that they have been exploited and taken for granted for decades and decide that it can't be any worse by giving a Republican a shot.

[Raw Power]

I can only hope that a Republican with an ability to raise money and some name recognition decides to go for it. The campaign would be simple: a direct appeal to the black community, saying "look what these Democrats, despite their promises year after year, decade after decade, have done to YOUR city. I will fight the teachers' unions and allow your children to go to charter schools and get a real education. I will use whatever it takes to shut down the gangs that are killing your children. And I will end the local corruption and bring jobs back to this city so that you can have a better life." Or something like that. At some point the black community will wake up (I hope) and recognize that they have been exploited and taken for granted for decades and decide that it can't be any worse by giving a Republican a shot.

 

 

The main reason why Rahm isn't running again is because he went up against the teacher's union. This is the outcome of that. If you want to get elected in Chicago, you play ball with the public sector unions. You can't piss off the teachers and the cops and expect to remain mayor in Chicago.

[kevinmcc]

 

I can only hope that a Republican with an ability to raise money and some name recognition decides to go for it. The campaign would be simple: a direct appeal to the black community, saying "look what these Democrats, despite their promises year after year, decade after decade, have done to YOUR city. I will fight the teachers' unions and allow your children to go to charter schools and get a real education. I will use whatever it takes to shut down the gangs that are killing your children. And I will end the local corruption and bring jobs back to this city so that you can have a better life." Or something like that. At some point the black community will wake up (I hope) and recognize that they have been exploited and taken for granted for decades and decide that it can't be any worse by giving a Republican a shot.

 

 

The main reason why Rahm isn't running again is because he went up against the teacher's union. This is the outcome of that. If you want to get elected in Chicago, you play ball with the public sector unions. You can't piss off the teachers and the cops and expect to remain mayor in Chicago.

 

 

I also think minority vote is not there for him either, closing schools (even though was needed), shootings, cover ups, etc... have not helped him there.

[DD123]

The only reason Rahm isn't running is because he knows, for a fact, that he's going to lose.

 

He's actually smart to get out now because Chicago will be going BK. The amounts of money they're borrowing just to keep the lights on is staggering and unfathomable. This, within a city with the highest taxes around, high levels of tourism dollars, and many large corporations calling Chicago home......and they still can't pay the bills without relying on loans.

[vito]

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

[Raw Power]

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

 

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

[Jeffrey]

Unions are like fraternities. Pay to hang out with your new friends. What a joke in today's world.

[Raw Power]

Unions are like job protection and wage protection. Work to not get fired without cause. The joke is those who are working class who oppose them.

[Jeffrey]

The few people that I know in unions are no longer in unions. They weren't able to find work for them. That was mainly laborers, rough framers, etc. Instead they found the small outfits that don't bother with the extra charges. The extreme majority of friends are not in unions and all seem to be doing fine with their careers. What a joke.

[DD123]

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

 

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

[Xwing]

Rahm was bad. Whoever replaces him will be worse. When he got in trouble with his socialist masters isn’t when he went through with left wing programs, it was when he wasn’t leftist enough. When he dared take on the teacher’s union or dared to say that families & morals are needed to improve violent communities. Look for more socialist programs and an even greater attack on businesses and those who work for a living as the next mayor will bend over even further to pander to violent thugs, public unions, and welfare moochers. Expect even more destruction of freedom and elevation of criminals, as well as bashing police & diminishing law & order.

[Raw Power]

The few people that I know in unions are no longer in unions. They weren't able to find work for them. That was mainly laborers, rough framers, etc. Instead they found the small outfits that don't bother with the extra charges. The extreme majority of friends are not in unions and all seem to be doing fine with their careers. What a joke.

 

That does sound like a joke, but not my experience with unions, or anyone that I know that works for any of them.

 

Maybe back in 2010, but if you're having trouble finding work now, you're doing something wrong.

[Raw Power]

 

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

 

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

 

 

The governorship is power. If you don't see that, see what happens if/when JB is elected.

 

The record-length budget impasse cost taxpayers billions of dollars. That wasn't a Democrat-only problem. Emanuel broke with the CTU over pension-reform, and it's probably the biggest reason he's not running for office again. Last I checked, Rahm was a Democrat.

 

I do think something has to give on the union-side... for sure, but unions didn't cause this political mess... Democrats and Republican lawmakers and pols did.

[DD123]

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

 

 

The governorship is power. If you don't see that, see what happens if/when JB is elected.

 

The record-length budget impasse cost taxpayers billions of dollars. That wasn't a Democrat-only problem. Emanuel broke with the CTU over pension-reform, and it's probably the biggest reason he's not running for office again. Last I checked, Rahm was a Democrat.

 

I do think something has to give on the union-side... for sure, but unions didn't cause this political mess... Democrats and Republican lawmakers and pols did.

 

You're missing the point.

 

Rauner has been largely ineffective unless a bill was passed without a veto proof majority.

 

Both chambers are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats, and without them, any governor who is on the opposite side of the aisle will get stymied, like Rauner has been.

 

Mentioning how easy it'll be for JB is showing that you simply don't understand how this state's political process works.....of course things will get worse under JB....he's going to rubber stamp anything that comes out of the legislative branch. Big shocker.....considering they control both chambers.

 

As far as Rahm, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. The unions in Chicago have controlled, through corruption, the political process, and the teacher's union is one of the biggest offenders. Either the unions back off of their blatantly biased political support, or they're going to be fought head on because the city can't afford anything. They're taking loans out to pay their bills. That's a sign of the end times for Chicago.

[Raw Power]

 

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

 

 

The governorship is power. If you don't see that, see what happens if/when JB is elected.

 

The record-length budget impasse cost taxpayers billions of dollars. That wasn't a Democrat-only problem. Emanuel broke with the CTU over pension-reform, and it's probably the biggest reason he's not running for office again. Last I checked, Rahm was a Democrat.

 

I do think something has to give on the union-side... for sure, but unions didn't cause this political mess... Democrats and Republican lawmakers and pols did.

 

You're missing the point.

 

Rauner has been largely ineffective unless a bill was passed without a veto proof majority.

 

Both chambers are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats, and without them, any governor who is on the opposite side of the aisle will get stymied, like Rauner has been.

 

Mentioning how easy it'll be for JB is showing that you simply don't understand how this state's political process works.....of course things will get worse under JB....he's going to rubber stamp anything that comes out of the legislative branch. Big shocker.....considering they control both chambers.

 

As far as Rahm, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. The unions in Chicago have controlled, through corruption, the political process, and the teacher's union is one of the biggest offenders. Either the unions back off of their blatantly biased political support, or they're going to be fought head on because the city can't afford anything. They're taking loans out to pay their bills. That's a sign of the end times for Chicago.

 

 

My point is that the unions didn't cause the state to mismanage the pension funds.

 

So blaming them for the funds being mismanaged is dishonest.

 

Sure, Democrats screwed this up badly over the years. So did Republicans. Ryan, Edgar, and Thompson all had their hands in this political mess, all Republicans. One of them now a felon.

[DD123]

 

You're missing the point.

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

 

The governorship is power. If you don't see that, see what happens if/when JB is elected.

 

The record-length budget impasse cost taxpayers billions of dollars. That wasn't a Democrat-only problem. Emanuel broke with the CTU over pension-reform, and it's probably the biggest reason he's not running for office again. Last I checked, Rahm was a Democrat.

 

I do think something has to give on the union-side... for sure, but unions didn't cause this political mess... Democrats and Republican lawmakers and pols did.

 

 

Rauner has been largely ineffective unless a bill was passed without a veto proof majority.

 

Both chambers are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats, and without them, any governor who is on the opposite side of the aisle will get stymied, like Rauner has been.

 

Mentioning how easy it'll be for JB is showing that you simply don't understand how this state's political process works.....of course things will get worse under JB....he's going to rubber stamp anything that comes out of the legislative branch. Big shocker.....considering they control both chambers.

 

As far as Rahm, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. The unions in Chicago have controlled, through corruption, the political process, and the teacher's union is one of the biggest offenders. Either the unions back off of their blatantly biased political support, or they're going to be fought head on because the city can't afford anything. They're taking loans out to pay their bills. That's a sign of the end times for Chicago.

 

 

My point is that the unions didn't cause the state to mismanage the pension funds.

 

So blaming them for the funds being mismanaged is dishonest.

 

Sure, Democrats screwed this up badly over the years. So did Republicans. Ryan, Edgar, and Thompson all had their hands in this political mess, all Republicans. One of them now a felon.

 

And the makeup of both chambers during each of their administrations? Pretty sure both chambers were democrat controlled during each of those administrations.

 

ETA: I just want to ask a question because it'll help......do you understand that the governor doesn't actually create laws in the state? The bills need to go through the house and senate, before arriving on their desk to sign. I guess you can blame them for signing crap that the democrats passed, but that's starkly different from the narrative you've concocted.

[geo.ulrich]

 

This thread made me wonder if Durbin may be thinking of retiring.

One can only hope.....

 

+1000

[Raw Power]

 

 

You're missing the point.

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

 

The governorship is power. If you don't see that, see what happens if/when JB is elected.

 

The record-length budget impasse cost taxpayers billions of dollars. That wasn't a Democrat-only problem. Emanuel broke with the CTU over pension-reform, and it's probably the biggest reason he's not running for office again. Last I checked, Rahm was a Democrat.

 

I do think something has to give on the union-side... for sure, but unions didn't cause this political mess... Democrats and Republican lawmakers and pols did.

 

 

Rauner has been largely ineffective unless a bill was passed without a veto proof majority.

 

Both chambers are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats, and without them, any governor who is on the opposite side of the aisle will get stymied, like Rauner has been.

 

Mentioning how easy it'll be for JB is showing that you simply don't understand how this state's political process works.....of course things will get worse under JB....he's going to rubber stamp anything that comes out of the legislative branch. Big shocker.....considering they control both chambers.

 

As far as Rahm, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. The unions in Chicago have controlled, through corruption, the political process, and the teacher's union is one of the biggest offenders. Either the unions back off of their blatantly biased political support, or they're going to be fought head on because the city can't afford anything. They're taking loans out to pay their bills. That's a sign of the end times for Chicago.

 

 

My point is that the unions didn't cause the state to mismanage the pension funds.

 

So blaming them for the funds being mismanaged is dishonest.

 

Sure, Democrats screwed this up badly over the years. So did Republicans. Ryan, Edgar, and Thompson all had their hands in this political mess, all Republicans. One of them now a felon.

 

And the makeup of both chambers during each of their administrations? Pretty sure both chambers were democrat controlled during each of those administrations.

 

ETA: I just want to ask a question because it'll help......do you understand that the governor doesn't actually create laws in the state? The bills need to go through the house and senate, before arriving on their desk to sign. I guess you can blame them for signing crap that the democrats passed, but that's starkly different from the narrative you've concocted.

 

 

Uhh, perhaps you need to read up on your state history. Republicans had control up until Blago.

 

Furthermore, the governor proposes the budget.

 

The budget should never include something that's not tenable, like all 4 of the last Republican governors have chosen to.

[DD123]

 

And the makeup of both chambers during each of their administrations? Pretty sure both chambers were democrat controlled during each of those administrations.

 

You're missing the point.

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

 

The governorship is power. If you don't see that, see what happens if/when JB is elected.

 

The record-length budget impasse cost taxpayers billions of dollars. That wasn't a Democrat-only problem. Emanuel broke with the CTU over pension-reform, and it's probably the biggest reason he's not running for office again. Last I checked, Rahm was a Democrat.

 

I do think something has to give on the union-side... for sure, but unions didn't cause this political mess... Democrats and Republican lawmakers and pols did.

 

 

Rauner has been largely ineffective unless a bill was passed without a veto proof majority.

 

Both chambers are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats, and without them, any governor who is on the opposite side of the aisle will get stymied, like Rauner has been.

 

Mentioning how easy it'll be for JB is showing that you simply don't understand how this state's political process works.....of course things will get worse under JB....he's going to rubber stamp anything that comes out of the legislative branch. Big shocker.....considering they control both chambers.

 

As far as Rahm, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. The unions in Chicago have controlled, through corruption, the political process, and the teacher's union is one of the biggest offenders. Either the unions back off of their blatantly biased political support, or they're going to be fought head on because the city can't afford anything. They're taking loans out to pay their bills. That's a sign of the end times for Chicago.

 

My point is that the unions didn't cause the state to mismanage the pension funds.

 

So blaming them for the funds being mismanaged is dishonest.

 

Sure, Democrats screwed this up badly over the years. So did Republicans. Ryan, Edgar, and Thompson all had their hands in this political mess, all Republicans. One of them now a felon.

 

 

ETA: I just want to ask a question because it'll help......do you understand that the governor doesn't actually create laws in the state? The bills need to go through the house and senate, before arriving on their desk to sign. I guess you can blame them for signing crap that the democrats passed, but that's starkly different from the narrative you've concocted.

 

 

Uhh, perhaps you need to read up on your state history. Republicans had control up until Blago.

 

Furthermore, the governor proposes the budget.

 

The budget should never include something that's not tenable, like all 4 of the last Republican governors have chosen to.

 

You can make whatever claims you want, but they're massively incorrect.

 

Since 1974, republicans have only controlled both chambers from 1995-1996.

 

They've controlled just the senate 1993-1994 and 1997-2002.

 

They've controlled just the house from 1981-1982.

 

The only time they had a full majority to actually do damage is under Edgar....who actually wasn't a terrible governor.

 

Otherwise, democrats have controlled the process.

 

A bill has to progress through both chambers in order to hit the governor's desk. If one party controls one, and the other party controls the other, it's kind of hard to pass stuff onto the governor without the other party buying in.

[Raw Power]

 

 

And the makeup of both chambers during each of their administrations? Pretty sure both chambers were democrat controlled during each of those administrations.

 

You're missing the point.

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

 

The governorship is power. If you don't see that, see what happens if/when JB is elected.

 

The record-length budget impasse cost taxpayers billions of dollars. That wasn't a Democrat-only problem. Emanuel broke with the CTU over pension-reform, and it's probably the biggest reason he's not running for office again. Last I checked, Rahm was a Democrat.

 

I do think something has to give on the union-side... for sure, but unions didn't cause this political mess... Democrats and Republican lawmakers and pols did.

 

 

Rauner has been largely ineffective unless a bill was passed without a veto proof majority.

 

Both chambers are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats, and without them, any governor who is on the opposite side of the aisle will get stymied, like Rauner has been.

 

Mentioning how easy it'll be for JB is showing that you simply don't understand how this state's political process works.....of course things will get worse under JB....he's going to rubber stamp anything that comes out of the legislative branch. Big shocker.....considering they control both chambers.

 

As far as Rahm, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. The unions in Chicago have controlled, through corruption, the political process, and the teacher's union is one of the biggest offenders. Either the unions back off of their blatantly biased political support, or they're going to be fought head on because the city can't afford anything. They're taking loans out to pay their bills. That's a sign of the end times for Chicago.

 

My point is that the unions didn't cause the state to mismanage the pension funds.

 

So blaming them for the funds being mismanaged is dishonest.

 

Sure, Democrats screwed this up badly over the years. So did Republicans. Ryan, Edgar, and Thompson all had their hands in this political mess, all Republicans. One of them now a felon.

 

 

ETA: I just want to ask a question because it'll help......do you understand that the governor doesn't actually create laws in the state? The bills need to go through the house and senate, before arriving on their desk to sign. I guess you can blame them for signing crap that the democrats passed, but that's starkly different from the narrative you've concocted.

 

 

Uhh, perhaps you need to read up on your state history. Republicans had control up until Blago.

 

Furthermore, the governor proposes the budget.

 

The budget should never include something that's not tenable, like all 4 of the last Republican governors have chosen to.

 

You can make whatever claims you want, but they're massively incorrect.

 

Since 1974, republicans have only controlled both chambers from 1995-1996.

 

They've controlled just the senate 1993-1994 and 1997-2002.

 

They've controlled just the house from 1981-1982.

 

The only time they had a full majority to actually do damage is under Edgar....who actually wasn't a terrible governor.

 

Otherwise, democrats have controlled the process.

 

A bill has to progress through both chambers in order to hit the governor's desk. If one party controls one, and the other party controls the other, it's kind of hard to pass stuff onto the governor without the other party buying in.

 

 

As I said, they had control up until Blago.

 

You just named 8 years in which they could have acted to do something about the pension crisis, but didn't.

 

Republicans and Democrats alike have been inactive on the pension issue.

[DD123]

 

You can make whatever claims you want, but they're massively incorrect.

 

And the makeup of both chambers during each of their administrations? Pretty sure both chambers were democrat controlled during each of those administrations.

 

You're missing the point.

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

 

The governorship is power. If you don't see that, see what happens if/when JB is elected.

 

The record-length budget impasse cost taxpayers billions of dollars. That wasn't a Democrat-only problem. Emanuel broke with the CTU over pension-reform, and it's probably the biggest reason he's not running for office again. Last I checked, Rahm was a Democrat.

 

I do think something has to give on the union-side... for sure, but unions didn't cause this political mess... Democrats and Republican lawmakers and pols did.

 

 

Rauner has been largely ineffective unless a bill was passed without a veto proof majority.

 

Both chambers are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats, and without them, any governor who is on the opposite side of the aisle will get stymied, like Rauner has been.

 

Mentioning how easy it'll be for JB is showing that you simply don't understand how this state's political process works.....of course things will get worse under JB....he's going to rubber stamp anything that comes out of the legislative branch. Big shocker.....considering they control both chambers.

 

As far as Rahm, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. The unions in Chicago have controlled, through corruption, the political process, and the teacher's union is one of the biggest offenders. Either the unions back off of their blatantly biased political support, or they're going to be fought head on because the city can't afford anything. They're taking loans out to pay their bills. That's a sign of the end times for Chicago.

 

My point is that the unions didn't cause the state to mismanage the pension funds.

 

So blaming them for the funds being mismanaged is dishonest.

 

Sure, Democrats screwed this up badly over the years. So did Republicans. Ryan, Edgar, and Thompson all had their hands in this political mess, all Republicans. One of them now a felon.

 

 

ETA: I just want to ask a question because it'll help......do you understand that the governor doesn't actually create laws in the state? The bills need to go through the house and senate, before arriving on their desk to sign. I guess you can blame them for signing crap that the democrats passed, but that's starkly different from the narrative you've concocted.

 

Uhh, perhaps you need to read up on your state history. Republicans had control up until Blago.

 

Furthermore, the governor proposes the budget.

 

The budget should never include something that's not tenable, like all 4 of the last Republican governors have chosen to.

 

 

Since 1974, republicans have only controlled both chambers from 1995-1996.

 

They've controlled just the senate 1993-1994 and 1997-2002.

 

They've controlled just the house from 1981-1982.

 

The only time they had a full majority to actually do damage is under Edgar....who actually wasn't a terrible governor.

 

Otherwise, democrats have controlled the process.

 

A bill has to progress through both chambers in order to hit the governor's desk. If one party controls one, and the other party controls the other, it's kind of hard to pass stuff onto the governor without the other party buying in.

 

 

As I said, they had control up until Blago.

 

You just named 8 years in which they could have acted to do something about the pension crisis, but didn't.

 

Republicans and Democrats alike have been inactive on the pension issue.

 

Ummmm.....

 

The only time they had a rubber stamp level of control was for a two year period....otherwise even if they controlled the senate and had a republican governor, there was still a house that wasn't in their control.

 

I'm starting to suspect you don't understand how politics works in this state.

 

ETA: Madigan has been speaker of the house since 1983, except for 1995-1996. Do you think he played well with the republicans?

[vito]

Some of you seem to be mixing up unions in the private sector with public employee unions. They are two totally different entities. In the private sector the workers are bargaining with the owners or managers (who work for the owners) for wages and benefits and working conditions. The owners have to decide how much they can afford to give a union and still be a profitable enterprise. In the public sector, the unions are bargaining not with the "owners", which would be the taxpayers, but with elected officials who have no long term personal responsibility for their decisions. Plus, these unions are major contributors to politicians, so in effect, the politicians give in to unreasonable demands because the same people are the ones that donate and vote to them. And since politicians who act like they are protecting the public's interests are only in office for a limited time, when the full consequences of the union agreement come to bear they are long gone and untouchable. If Public employee unions had to submit their contract for ratification not only to their members, but to the public via referendum, then the "owners" would be able to decide how much they could afford to give the union, i.e. how high their taxes would need to be. You can bet that if this were the case union workers in the public sector would not be getting the pay, benefits, or pensions that they get now.

[Raw Power]

 

 

You can make whatever claims you want, but they're massively incorrect.

 

And the makeup of both chambers during each of their administrations? Pretty sure both chambers were democrat controlled during each of those administrations.

 

You're missing the point.

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

 

The governorship is power. If you don't see that, see what happens if/when JB is elected.

 

The record-length budget impasse cost taxpayers billions of dollars. That wasn't a Democrat-only problem. Emanuel broke with the CTU over pension-reform, and it's probably the biggest reason he's not running for office again. Last I checked, Rahm was a Democrat.

 

I do think something has to give on the union-side... for sure, but unions didn't cause this political mess... Democrats and Republican lawmakers and pols did.

 

 

Rauner has been largely ineffective unless a bill was passed without a veto proof majority.

 

Both chambers are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats, and without them, any governor who is on the opposite side of the aisle will get stymied, like Rauner has been.

 

Mentioning how easy it'll be for JB is showing that you simply don't understand how this state's political process works.....of course things will get worse under JB....he's going to rubber stamp anything that comes out of the legislative branch. Big shocker.....considering they control both chambers.

 

As far as Rahm, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. The unions in Chicago have controlled, through corruption, the political process, and the teacher's union is one of the biggest offenders. Either the unions back off of their blatantly biased political support, or they're going to be fought head on because the city can't afford anything. They're taking loans out to pay their bills. That's a sign of the end times for Chicago.

 

My point is that the unions didn't cause the state to mismanage the pension funds.

 

So blaming them for the funds being mismanaged is dishonest.

 

Sure, Democrats screwed this up badly over the years. So did Republicans. Ryan, Edgar, and Thompson all had their hands in this political mess, all Republicans. One of them now a felon.

 

 

ETA: I just want to ask a question because it'll help......do you understand that the governor doesn't actually create laws in the state? The bills need to go through the house and senate, before arriving on their desk to sign. I guess you can blame them for signing crap that the democrats passed, but that's starkly different from the narrative you've concocted.

 

Uhh, perhaps you need to read up on your state history. Republicans had control up until Blago.

 

Furthermore, the governor proposes the budget.

 

The budget should never include something that's not tenable, like all 4 of the last Republican governors have chosen to.

 

 

Since 1974, republicans have only controlled both chambers from 1995-1996.

 

They've controlled just the senate 1993-1994 and 1997-2002.

 

They've controlled just the house from 1981-1982.

 

The only time they had a full majority to actually do damage is under Edgar....who actually wasn't a terrible governor.

 

Otherwise, democrats have controlled the process.

 

A bill has to progress through both chambers in order to hit the governor's desk. If one party controls one, and the other party controls the other, it's kind of hard to pass stuff onto the governor without the other party buying in.

 

 

As I said, they had control up until Blago.

 

You just named 8 years in which they could have acted to do something about the pension crisis, but didn't.

 

Republicans and Democrats alike have been inactive on the pension issue.

 

Ummmm.....

 

The only time they had a rubber stamp level of control was for a two year period....otherwise even if they controlled the senate and had a republican governor, there was still a house that wasn't in their control.

 

I'm starting to suspect you don't understand how politics works in this state.

 

ETA: Madigan has been speaker of the house since 1983, except for 1995-1996. Do you think he played well with the republicans?

 

 

 

So Madigan stopped Republicans from doing anything about the budget or the pension reform?

 

I mean, I love a good boogieman as well as the next guy, but I think you're giving him WAY too much credit. The ONLY reason Republicans didn't fix the pension issue, is because they were robbing the piggyback just like the Dems were.

[DD123]

 

Ummmm.....

 

You can make whatever claims you want, but they're massively incorrect.

 

And the makeup of both chambers during each of their administrations? Pretty sure both chambers were democrat controlled during each of those administrations.

 

You're missing the point.

 

Name the last time that republicans had any sort of control in this state.

 

It all goes back to public employee unions, including the teachers' unions. If public employees unions were outlawed, as even the icon of the Left, FDR believed that they should be, we would not be facing the fiscal challenges that we are in this state. The Democrats rely on these unions for donations and votes, and therefore will never agree to massively reform the ridiculous benefit and pension systems that favor public employees over the taxpayers that pay for those funds. Maybe someday the general public will wake up and realize that all the talk by the Democrats about "helping the working man" and "supporting the middle class" will understand that "working man" and "middle class" are phrases that mean only public employees that are in the pocket of these politicians. It appears that Wisconsin voters have gotten the message, and have been electing Republican state legislators and Scott Walker to rein in the unions' power. Maybe someday the dumber voters of Illinois will get the message as well.

Workers in "right to work" states earn less money than those in states without those laws.

 

 

You shouldn't villainize people for wanting collective bargaining rights. The reason why Illiniois has a pension crisis isn't because of unions. Unions didn't force the politicians to kick the can and raid the pension funds. The money was there, it was simply mismanaged by nearly every single administration, both Democrat and Republican.

 

 

I'm not talking about a republican governor.....as we've seen over the last 4 years, they have absolutely no control or power in the state when both the state house and senate are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats.

 

Name the last year that republicans have controlled even two of three of those seats of power. Don't even bother trying to do the same in Chicago or Crook County because I don't believe we were even keeping records back then, and if we did, Mrs. O'leary's cow burned them all lol

 

The governorship is power. If you don't see that, see what happens if/when JB is elected.

 

The record-length budget impasse cost taxpayers billions of dollars. That wasn't a Democrat-only problem. Emanuel broke with the CTU over pension-reform, and it's probably the biggest reason he's not running for office again. Last I checked, Rahm was a Democrat.

 

I do think something has to give on the union-side... for sure, but unions didn't cause this political mess... Democrats and Republican lawmakers and pols did.

 

 

Rauner has been largely ineffective unless a bill was passed without a veto proof majority.

 

Both chambers are overwhelmingly controlled by democrats, and without them, any governor who is on the opposite side of the aisle will get stymied, like Rauner has been.

 

Mentioning how easy it'll be for JB is showing that you simply don't understand how this state's political process works.....of course things will get worse under JB....he's going to rubber stamp anything that comes out of the legislative branch. Big shocker.....considering they control both chambers.

 

As far as Rahm, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. The unions in Chicago have controlled, through corruption, the political process, and the teacher's union is one of the biggest offenders. Either the unions back off of their blatantly biased political support, or they're going to be fought head on because the city can't afford anything. They're taking loans out to pay their bills. That's a sign of the end times for Chicago.

 

My point is that the unions didn't cause the state to mismanage the pension funds.

 

So blaming them for the funds being mismanaged is dishonest.

 

Sure, Democrats screwed this up badly over the years. So did Republicans. Ryan, Edgar, and Thompson all had their hands in this political mess, all Republicans. One of them now a felon.

 

 

ETA: I just want to ask a question because it'll help......do you understand that the governor doesn't actually create laws in the state? The bills need to go through the house and senate, before arriving on their desk to sign. I guess you can blame them for signing crap that the democrats passed, but that's starkly different from the narrative you've concocted.

 

Uhh, perhaps you need to read up on your state history. Republicans had control up until Blago.

 

Furthermore, the governor proposes the budget.

 

The budget should never include something that's not tenable, like all 4 of the last Republican governors have chosen to.

 

 

Since 1974, republicans have only controlled both chambers from 1995-1996.

 

They've controlled just the senate 1993-1994 and 1997-2002.

 

They've controlled just the house from 1981-1982.

 

The only time they had a full majority to actually do damage is under Edgar....who actually wasn't a terrible governor.

 

Otherwise, democrats have controlled the process.

 

A bill has to progress through both chambers in order to hit the governor's desk. If one party controls one, and the other party controls the other, it's kind of hard to pass stuff onto the governor without the other party buying in.

 

As I said, they had control up until Blago.

 

You just named 8 years in which they could have acted to do something about the pension crisis, but didn't.

 

Republicans and Democrats alike have been inactive on the pension issue.

 

 

The only time they had a rubber stamp level of control was for a two year period....otherwise even if they controlled the senate and had a republican governor, there was still a house that wasn't in their control.

 

I'm starting to suspect you don't understand how politics works in this state.

 

ETA: Madigan has been speaker of the house since 1983, except for 1995-1996. Do you think he played well with the republicans?

 

 

 

So Madigan stopped Republicans from doing anything about the budget or the pension reform?

 

I mean, I love a good boogieman as well as the next guy, but I think you're giving him WAY too much credit. The ONLY reason Republicans didn't fix the pension issue, is because they were robbing the piggyback just like the Dems were.

 

Sure, but what you're doing, that I'm pointing out, is the fact that you're calling a plastic baseball bat, a sledgehammer.

 

Madigan runs this state....it doesn't matter who is at the helm. There was only a small window where he wasn't grand poobah, which I highlighted above, as a two year period.

 

How would the GOP fix anything, when they've controlled the state government for a far shorter period of time than the democrats have?

 

The biggest mistake people have been making is underestimating Madigan.

 

What have we seen over the last 4 years? A governor who despite trying to fight Madigan, has lost. We didn't have a budget for how many years? Rauner tried, and failed, because Madigan willed it to play out that way.

 

And what will come of all of this? We'll get a whole bunch of retarded window lickers who will vote for JB, and a whole bunch of other retarded window lickers who will stay home or vote for someone other than Rauner or JB, handing JB the win.

 

I honestly don't care at this point, but I will still vote for Rauner.....but if JB wins, I hope he rubber stamps some of the most irresponsible bills our moronic legislature can put on his desk, so that the collapse happens. We've been teetering on the edge for a while, and JB will be the thing that tips it over.

 

Personally, JB winning would help finally push me to getting out of Illinois and moving to NW Indiana.