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#121 skottieusa

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

So can this just be delayed to infinity from countless appeals from the state?


I really do not think this will happen. Madigan (Lisa) cannpt take it to SCOTUS for fear that SCOTUS will ruule against her, thus striking down "may issue" all over the country.
2. Todd is in the driver's seat. If they come up with a Bill we don't like, we can delay a vote until the 180 days is over which i have (very aptly) named the "concealed carry cliff".
3. If they can't get a Bill done in 180 days, your FOID allows carry open or concealed. The newscasters are already talking about it.


Concealed carry cliff...Bud glad you are back!!

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:19 PM

I am surprised the state did not claim that one can carry while hunting so there really was no absolutely ban. I do not think it would have made any real difference though.


Oh they did!. If you listen to the Orals the guy representing the state argued that there was not a complete ban on carry. he argued you could carry on your property or others property with permission., in your home, or even if you case it and unload it!

They argued it wasnt ban. He actually said this is not a ban, we are just regulating where people carry. I was floored when he did it. But I think it went that way since Mr Gura opened with his argument stating this is all about how Illinois has a ban and does not simply regulate time, place, and manner.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:22 PM

We need to get behind Todd, the ISRA and Illinois Carry and start pushing right now.

Everyone needs to call their legislators and make sure they know that you support concealed carry in Illinois.

once the language of a Bill is finalized and pushed by Todd, the ISRA and Illinois Carry we need to get behind them and help push this through.

No more squabbling, we have the momentum and we can get this done if we all push together.

If you are on other forums, invite Illinois residents to join Illinois Carry and help us to get this done.


Yeah, what Bud said......

United Front, ladies and gents, United Front.

Personally, I do believe I will go to work happily, and do some shopping for the perfect set of holsters while I await Todd's work to appear.

We're in the driver's seat, the anti's had their chance and blew it off. Now we can get it done right.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:24 PM

We need to get behind Todd, the ISRA and Illinois Carry and start pushing right now.

Everyone needs to call their legislators and make sure they know that you support concealed carry in Illinois.

once the language of a Bill is finalized and pushed by Todd, the ISRA and Illinois Carry we need to get behind them and help push this through.

No more squabbling, we have the momentum and we can get this done if we all push together.

If you are on other forums, invite Illinois residents to join Illinois Carry and help us to get this done.


Yeah, what Bud said......

United Front, ladies and gents, United Front.

Personally, I do believe I will go to work happily, and do some shopping for the perfect set of holsters while I await Todd's work to appear.

We're in the driver's seat, the anti's had their chance and blew it off. Now we can get it done right.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:26 PM

I have already sent a long email to my reps, and called both offices. In the email I actually noted the ruling today and the 180 day deadline and quoted the final paragraph from Judge Posner. I finally wrapped up explaining that we have spent enough money in a broke state fighting lawsuits over this and its time to pass a bill or just let me carry w/ my FOID....

Light the fire under under your reps!!!

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:27 PM

In sum, the empirical literature on the effects
of allowing the carriage of guns in public fails to establish
a pragmatic defense of the Illinois law.

Nevertheless we order our mandate
stayed for 180 days to allow the Illinois
legislature to craft a new gun law that will
impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public
safety and the Second Amendment as interpreted in
this opinion, on the carrying of guns in public.

If Mike Madigan does not want to be blamed by his anti gun base for unregulated constitutional carry in 180 days he will have to allow a carry law to be voted on.

Edited by borgranta, 11 December 2012 - 02:30 PM.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:30 PM

We crashed the server this morning !! WOW. At this point I am as happy as the next guy or gal. I think Bud is right when he gave the three analogies of what could happen. It either goes to SCOTUS. The state passes a carry bill in 180 days or we get unconditional carry after the 180 days.

Now here's my thought. The state passes a carry bill in January. A bill that we want and not the Chicago Dems. Plus, and it's only my opinion, but I DON'T BELIEVE home rule has anything to do with a carry bill anymore. The written opinion by Posner covers the state. It does not exempt Chicago or any other home rule municipality. heck, the judge even references Chicago in the ruling.

I could be wrong, but I would think it only takes 60 votes now to pass a bill, not 71. If someone has better insight, please feel free to correct me.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:36 PM

We crashed the server this morning !! WOW. At this point I am as happy as the next guy or gal. I think Bud is right when he gave the three analogies of what could happen. It either goes to SCOTUS. The state passes a carry bill in 180 days or we get unconditional carry after the 180 days.

Now here's my thought. The state passes a carry bill in January. A bill that we want and not the Chicago Dems. Plus, and it's only my opinion, but I DON'T BELIEVE home rule has anything to do with a carry bill anymore. The written opinion by Posner covers the state. It does not exempt Chicago or any other home rule municipality. heck, the judge even references Chicago in the ruling.

I could be wrong, but I would think it only takes 60 votes now to pass a bill, not 71. If someone has better insight, please feel free to correct me.

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Gov. Potato Head could always veto; though he is probably out in 2014 anyways so I am not sure he has much motive to do so. Madigan is already prepping his daughter to run against Quinn in a primary. I think this battle is pretty much over, its just a matter of signing the treaty on the deck of our battleship so to speak.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:38 PM

Did you just hear a couple of pops? Those were ex-mayor Daley and Phather Pflager's heads exploding.

I am so glad to see this!! Merry Christmas ILL citizens.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:38 PM

Only requiring 60 votes for a bill, IMHO, would be bad for us. However, I'll worry about that later. Today is for celebrating.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:39 PM

I just about fell out of my seat when i saw the news! Today is a great day!
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:40 PM

Only requiring 60 votes for a bill, IMHO, would be bad for us. However, I'll worry about that later. Today is for celebrating.


I think I may agree. It raises the chance of a crappy or may-issue bill passing if they try to run one.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:40 PM

Now that's a Christmas present!!

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:47 PM

I was wondering why the site was down around lunch time. Didnt know bout this till 1.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:49 PM

The 71 votes were because it had the preemption thing in it. Since this will probably have the same, the 71 votes should stand - unless Madigan changes it,,,

Edited by Talonap, 11 December 2012 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:53 PM

The 71 votes were because it had the preemption thing in it. Since this will probably have the same, the 71 votes should stand - unless Madigan changes it,,,


Its interesting. The timing of this ruling allowed for rule changes. Will 71 still be a requirement? If that changes, how might that affect things?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:53 PM

Don't forget Chicago's very own father, Father Pfleger


Poor Pfather Pfleger may actually have to become a real minister instead of the political activist he's been for the last 25 some odd years.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:57 PM

Oh my lord, I almost want to cry I am so happy right now.

Merry Christmas (santa came) early this year :)

[Though, just as I'm sure others are thinking, we need to closely watch what they try to pass, and not permit some BS "may issue" crap to pass !!!]

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:01 PM

All we need to do is run the clock out though right? Tell Madigan if he pushes a may issue bill he won't get enough votes and if he won't support a shall issue bill we simply let the clock run out and on day 180 a FOID card is now a licence to carry with no restrictions...We have Da-Power in this case, Madigan and Co will not settle for totally unrestricted carry.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:03 PM

Oh my lord, I almost want to cry I am so happy right now.

Merry Christmas (santa came) early this year :)

[Though, just as I'm sure others are thinking, we need to closely watch what they try to pass, and not permit some BS "may issue" crap to pass !!!]


HOLY COW

Everybody is coming out of the woodwork today.

Welcome back, BShawn. Haven't seen you post here in a long time

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:04 PM

We need to get behind Todd, the ISRA and Illinois Carry and start pushing right now.

Everyone needs to call their legislators and make sure they know that you support concealed carry in Illinois.

once the language of a Bill is finalized and pushed by Todd, the ISRA and Illinois Carry we need to get behind them and help push this through.

No more squabbling, we have the momentum and we can get this done if we all push together.

If you are on other forums, invite Illinois residents to join Illinois Carry and help us to get this done.


One of the Best quotes in a long while and I'm glad it came from Bud!

I have it copied and saved and all but engraved in bronze somewhere.

And don't think for a second that I'm afraid to use it!!

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:11 PM

It is sooo nice to have some good news for a change. The ruling is definitely some long awaited news, and I know we've earned a little celebration.

Still, I'm sure we arent the only ones who were anticipating this ruling.
I'm going to wait until we get into the end zone before I start to do my victory dance.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:19 PM

I am very interested to hear the statements of Quinn, Rahm, and others in the next day or two.


Don't forget Chicago's very own father, Father Pfleger


I actually for the first time agree with Phleger. Here is is facebook post on the issue today.




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U.S. appeals court strikes down State's concealed-carry ban. Amazing a group of Judges who sit in a Building that doesn't allow guns allows guns to go everywhere else! Of course they don't adress the fact that 120,000 people with mental illness are not yet in the system, nor deal with the loo holes of private sale nor lost or stolen, or titling guns like cars....I say if guns can go anywhere according to them then that should include all government and court buildings also!
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:21 PM

BIG WIN FOR FREEDOM, THE CONSTITUTION AND LAW ABIDING CITIZENS FINALLY BEING ALLOWED THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. BIG LOSS FOR TYRANTS, ENEMIES OF THE US CONSTITUTION, CRIMINALS AND GANGBANGERS ESPECIALLY IN CHICAGO. ABOUT TIME BUT AT WHAT COST, HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE DENIED THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN KILLED? CHICAGO'S UNCOSTITUTIONAL AND INFRINGING LICENSE, REGISTRATION AND FEES FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SHOULD BE NEXT TO GO. REGISTRATION SERVES ONLY ONE PURPOSE, TO DENY NOW OR TO CONFISCATE LATER AND HAS BEEN USED BY TYRANTS THROUGHOUT HISTORY TO COMMIT MASS MURDER AND GENOCIDE AFTER THE FIREARMS WERE CONFISCATED.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:23 PM

Did anyone see what Mayor Emanuel's office released?

“We are disappointed with the Court’s decision," said a spokesman for Mayor Rahm Emanuel. "The City is reviewing today’s opinion and will coordinate our efforts with the State to best protect the residents of Chicago and still meet constitutional RESTRICTIONS."

Emphasis added.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:25 PM

Did anyone see what Mayor Emanuel's office released?

“We are disappointed with the Court’s decision," said a spokesman for Mayor Rahm Emanuel. "The City is reviewing today’s opinion and will coordinate our efforts with the State to best protect the residents of Chicago and still meet constitutional RESTRICTIONS."

Emphasis added.


By the looks of that text, I'd say he's getting ready to send a fish to Judge Posner.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:27 PM

BTW - is there any law already on the books that would protect me from discrimination at the work place if I keep a firearm in my car?

Say my work doesn't want me to carry in work (yes yes I know, "quit and find a new job"), am I protected if I carry to work, but leave it in my vehicle?
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:27 PM

Fish? A low budget version of a horse's head?
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:28 PM

PLEASE STRIKE DUTY TO INFORM TODD !!!!!!!

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:28 PM

If its unconstitutional what can they charge you with?
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