steveTA84 Posted November 22, 2019 at 06:45 PM Share Posted November 22, 2019 at 06:45 PM Ironically, he just proved that the FOID is broken and that he supports breaking it more lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 22, 2019 at 07:34 PM Share Posted November 22, 2019 at 07:34 PM Ironically, he just proved that the FOID is broken ... He proved that much, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted November 22, 2019 at 07:47 PM Share Posted November 22, 2019 at 07:47 PM Ironically, he just proved that the FOID is broken ...He proved that much, at least.That, and perhaps if the system itself isn’t tossed, that maybe it’s a good idea to have it so it doesn’t expire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POAT54 Posted November 22, 2019 at 09:09 PM Share Posted November 22, 2019 at 09:09 PM Makes one wonder if he followed the law while at his office (see door)...It appears to be non compliant. If his FOID was still active (probably not) he would be covered under the FOID act.Golly shucks Mabel, he was sure lucky they only charged a misdemeanor, He must have the same lawyer as Sen. Trotter.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted November 22, 2019 at 10:42 PM Share Posted November 22, 2019 at 10:42 PM If his FOID expired, then his CCL would have been revoked. When renewing the FOID, the CCL does not automatically get reinstated. A Request for Review must be sumbitted for the CCL to be reinstated . . . maybe he didn't do that or it hadn't been processed when the officers called it in? Maybe he'll work to get that fixed so that when the FOID is renewed, the CCL automatically is reinstated? Nah, probably won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted November 22, 2019 at 11:27 PM Share Posted November 22, 2019 at 11:27 PM Another hypocritical POS. He and Feinstein would make a lovely couple. He can carry (with a valid CCL) in his own office. The official in charge can give written permission to carry, so assuming that to be him, he doesn't need to give himself permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted November 23, 2019 at 12:02 AM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 12:02 AM If his FOID expired, then his CCL would have been revoked. When renewing the FOID, the CCL does not automatically get reinstated. A Request for Review must be sumbitted for the CCL to be reinstated . . . maybe he didn't do that or it hadn't been processed when the officers called it in? Maybe he'll work to get that fixed so that when the FOID is renewed, the CCL automatically is reinstated? Nah, probably won't.MollyB ya beat me to this one.This is a case of I’ll be ok even though I have NO idea how the system I helped put in place works.Once a FOID expires I would guess everyone should or does know that the CCL becomes null and void!Cause it clearly states in the statute that you must have a valid FOID to apply and get a CCL. (Or both at same time) He will slide on this one, and we (IC) should be on top of it.If he gets a pass on a expired FOID then everyone in Illinois should be getting a pass.Many threads here have been about those who forgot to renew the FOID and let it expire. And those folks got no relief from taking the class over and spending additional fees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted November 23, 2019 at 12:12 AM Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 12:12 AM In a fair world this would spur him to sponsor a realistic “fix the FOID” bill. Something among these lines: If you have a FCCL you no longer need a FOID card. Or If you are required to have both a FOID and an FCCL they are both valid for the same length of time and expire both at the same time. Or Pass constitutional carry. <dreaming here> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:59 AM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:59 AM Why was his license revoked?That is exactly the question I want to know. Also, in situations such as this, legislators should absolutely know better, and if it's not some completely innocent mistake, he should be removed from office and barred from every participating in any capacity that involves public funding again, including lobbying. You forgot one thing. This is a case of "for me but not for thee". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:07 AM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:07 AM MAA source in thread has been updated with more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:10 AM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:10 AM If his FOID expired, then his CCL would have been revoked. When renewing the FOID, the CCL does not automatically get reinstated. A Request for Review must be sumbitted for the CCL to be reinstated . . . maybe he didn't do that or it hadn't been processed when the officers called it in? Maybe he'll work to get that fixed so that when the FOID is renewed, the CCL automatically is reinstated? Nah, probably won't.MollyB ya beat me to this one.This is a case of I’ll be ok even though I have NO idea how the system I helped put in place works.Once a FOID expires I would guess everyone should or does know that the CCL becomes null and void!Cause it clearly states in the statute that you must have a valid FOID to apply and get a CCL. (Or both at same time) He will slide on this one, and we (IC) should be on top of it.If he gets a pass on a expired FOID then everyone in Illinois should be getting a pass.Many threads here have been about those who forgot to renew the FOID and let it expire. And those folks got no relief from taking the class over and spending additional fees! If he gets that "pass", it could also be used as a precedent for others like that college kid who had valid paperwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockboyy Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:27 AM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:27 AM This could be a good reason to VOID the FOID.. --Double Jeopardy--. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted November 23, 2019 at 04:34 AM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 04:34 AM Ooooooooooh boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted November 23, 2019 at 05:18 AM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 05:18 AM So like stated before, in his world the renewal of the foid would automatically renew the ccl.And he always follows the laws, even to the point of wanting to fix the foid. It’s a clerical ISP dept error.They not me are at fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted November 23, 2019 at 05:34 AM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 05:34 AM Curtis J. Tarver II: "What's this constitution thing you talkin' about? They should take your guns. And your house. And your health insurance. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted November 23, 2019 at 11:52 AM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 11:52 AM Well, the story made the 10 pm news on Friday, bet that had him grinding his teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted November 23, 2019 at 12:59 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 12:59 PM Ooooooooooh boy And here we have a glaring example of why the Left demands red flag laws: Disarming the ***political*** opposition. Politburo much there, Komrade??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted November 23, 2019 at 01:58 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 01:58 PM Ooooooooooh boy And here we have a glaring example of why the Left demands red flag laws: Disarming the ***political*** opposition. Politburo much there, Komrade??? Yep. Disgusting behavior from a civil rights attorney. Added that in as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:09 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:09 PM So, on the one hand we have a Chicago legislator who isn't as hard core pro-2A as we are but at least owns a firearm and understands the importance of concealed carry. On the other hand, we have this effort to destroy that man and completely alienate him from the cause, before we actually have full details. I don't think I understand the purpose of this. Has anyone actually talked to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:21 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:21 PM So, on the one hand we have a Chicago legislator who isn't as hard core pro-2A as we are but at least owns a firearm and understands the importance of concealed carry.On the other hand, we have this effort to destroy that man and completely alienate him from the cause, before we actually have full details.I don't think I understand the purpose of this. Has anyone actually talked to him?The full details (id go with his story, it seems pretty plausible) is that the system caused him some massive problems (getting arrested over a clerical error because his FOID expiredbefore CCL, and CCL was revoked due to it and he didnt go through the proper process to reinstate it). He releases a statement defending his vote on Fix the FOID, which we all know is just more garbage and red tape (and to what happened to him, less time between renewals, which will make what happened to him more common). He then proceeded to say to someone pressing him on FB what was posted (not me. I killed off my FB account earlier this week). Also, being a civil rights attorney, hes acting as though the individual pressing him doesnt have the right to do so and suggests they should have their guns taken. As an elected official, not cool. Hopefully he soaks it all in and as a new member of the ILGA, understands that if he wasnt seated in January that the situation for him would have gone much differently (even though it was only an error). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:27 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:27 PM So, on the one hand we have a Chicago legislator who isn't as hard core pro-2A as we are but at least owns a firearm and understands the importance of concealed carry.On the other hand, we have this effort to destroy that man and completely alienate him from the cause, before we actually have full details.I don't think I understand the purpose of this. Has anyone actually talked to him?The full details (id go with his story, it seems pretty plausible) is that the system caused him some massive problems (getting arrested over a clerical error because his FOID expiredbefore CCL, and CCL was revoked due to it and he didnt go through the proper process to reinstate it). He releases a statement defending his vote on Fix the FOID, which we all know is just more garbage and red tape (and to what happened to him, less time between renewals, which will make what happened to him more common). He then proceeded to say to someone pressing him on FB what was posted (not me. I killed off my FB account earlier this week). Also, being a civil rights attorney, hes acting as though the individual pressing him doesnt have the right to do so and suggests they should have their guns taken. As an elected official, not cool. Hopefully he soaks it all in and as a new member of the ILGA, understands that if he wasnt seated in January that the situation for him would have gone much differently (even though it was only an error). Yes, I'm familiar with the situation. I guess the difference between us is that while you see only your perception of hypocrisy, I see that as a possibility but focus, instead, on the potential opportunity. I would not like to destroy that potential before it's tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo.ulrich Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:30 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:30 PM To me this is the perfect way to show how their laws work. Is there anyone here that knows this Representative ? A red flag complaint should be filed, he is to dangerous to be allowed to have firearms with his lack of knowledge of the licensing process that he helped create and supports... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:34 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:34 PM So, on the one hand we have a Chicago legislator who isn't as hard core pro-2A as we are but at least owns a firearm and understands the importance of concealed carry.On the other hand, we have this effort to destroy that man and completely alienate him from the cause, before we actually have full details.I don't think I understand the purpose of this. Has anyone actually talked to him?The full details (id go with his story, it seems pretty plausible) is that the system caused him some massive problems (getting arrested over a clerical error because his FOID expiredbefore CCL, and CCL was revoked due to it and he didnt go through the proper process to reinstate it). He releases a statement defending his vote on Fix the FOID, which we all know is just more garbage and red tape (and to what happened to him, less time between renewals, which will make what happened to him more common). He then proceeded to say to someone pressing him on FB what was posted (not me. I killed off my FB account earlier this week). Also, being a civil rights attorney, hes acting as though the individual pressing him doesnt have the right to do so and suggests they should have their guns taken. As an elected official, not cool.Hopefully he soaks it all in and as a new member of the ILGA, understands that if he wasnt seated in January that the situation for him would have gone much differently (even though it was only an error).Yes, I'm familiar with the situation.I guess the difference between us is that while you see only your perception of hypocrisy, I see that as a possibility but focus, instead, on the potential opportunity.I would not like to destroy that potential before it's tested.The opportunity is there 100%. Since he is the victim in this case (which he 100% is), it would be best for him to not start making statements like he did to the individual on FB. He also commented that he will talk to anyone about gun issues. And side note: the story is everywhere in the MSM and also on gun media platforms, this isn’t on me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:49 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 02:49 PM Mmmmm. Second city cop has a little different information on this. They are reporting that his FCCL was expired and he is being charged for not turning it in. Maybe he's not the victim after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:10 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:10 PM Mmmmm. Second city cop has a little different information on this. They are reporting that his FCCL was expired and he is being charged for not turning it in. Maybe he's not the victim after all.Victim meaning caught up in the ridiculous system of renewals and penalties that come with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:18 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:18 PM The system is ridiculous and over burdensome. He claims that his FCCL was revoked due to his FOID being expired. He claims it's a clerical error. Yet, SCC says his FCCL expired and he failed to turn it in. How much of a victim is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:40 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 03:40 PM The system is ridiculous and over burdensome. He claims that his FCCL was revoked due to his FOID being expired. He claims it's a clerical error. Yet, SCC says his FCCL expired and he failed to turn it in. How much of a victim is he?Trib says he renewed his CCL last year and his FOID in 11/16 (2 days before traffic stop). What looks like happened is that he possibly (no word on when his FOID expired and if he was late in renewing) let his FOID expire, renewed after it did, which would automatically cause his CCL to not be valid. If thats the case, he broke IL law regardless as he didnt go through the process to get his CCL active again. Also, he could have renewed right at the deadline (say it expired the 17th) and the system pinged it back as revoked because it didnt process the FOID renewal yet. Either way, FOID system is ridiculous and either needs to be tossed or a lifetime card be given. These renewals are ridiculous and nothing more than a cash grab for the state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaeghl Posted November 23, 2019 at 09:04 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 09:04 PM Somehow, I'm of the opinion that when all is said and done, all this connected Chicago politician will have to do is receive his new and improved CCL in the mail, and let the charges drop. All because of a 'clerical error'. Yeah, right. He could have quacked like a duck and gotten his stuff just as fast, without any backlash for screwing up. He's a Chicago Pol, after all. Rules don't apply to him.....because he's special. Then he can get back to making it harder for the serfs, plebes and proles to exercise their rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B Posted November 23, 2019 at 10:23 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 10:23 PM So, on the one hand we have a Chicago legislator who isn't as hard core pro-2A as we are but at least owns a firearm and understands the importance of concealed carry.On the other hand, we have this effort to destroy that man and completely alienate him from the cause, before we actually have full details.I don't think I understand the purpose of this. Has anyone actually talked to him?The full details (id go with his story, it seems pretty plausible) is that the system caused him some massive problems (getting arrested over a clerical error because his FOID expiredbefore CCL, and CCL was revoked due to it and he didnt go through the proper process to reinstate it). He releases a statement defending his vote on Fix the FOID, which we all know is just more garbage and red tape (and to what happened to him, less time between renewals, which will make what happened to him more common). He then proceeded to say to someone pressing him on FB what was posted (not me. I killed off my FB account earlier this week). Also, being a civil rights attorney, hes acting as though the individual pressing him doesnt have the right to do so and suggests they should have their guns taken. As an elected official, not cool.Hopefully he soaks it all in and as a new member of the ILGA, understands that if he wasnt seated in January that the situation for him would have gone much differently (even though it was only an error).Yes, I'm familiar with the situation.I guess the difference between us is that while you see only your perception of hypocrisy, I see that as a possibility but focus, instead, on the potential opportunity.I would not like to destroy that potential before it's tested. Yeah people are oddly attacking him from our side when this is a great opportunity to politely explain how “fix the foid” would only exacerbate these issues by reducing the term to 5 from 10 years. Instead our side comes off nutty. Very frustrating. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted November 23, 2019 at 10:44 PM Share Posted November 23, 2019 at 10:44 PM ^^^* Perhaps its time our side (ISRA/ILCarry) reaches out in a civil manner and attempts to make the points, as he will get no friends with MDA/ICHV from what happened. Its not like those attacking him on FB and such are representatives of ILCarry or ISRA. Theyre people doing it on their own, not on behalf of an organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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