guzzimike66 Posted November 8, 2017 at 08:42 PM Share Posted November 8, 2017 at 08:42 PM Sure seems like they are cherry picking data. Thoughts? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted November 8, 2017 at 09:18 PM Share Posted November 8, 2017 at 09:18 PM My thoughts? 1 It’s the New York Times2 Liars make numbers and numbers make liars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzimike66 Posted November 8, 2017 at 09:44 PM Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 at 09:44 PM This part stuck out to me and created a bit of debate in my office with the liberals:"A 2015 study estimated that only 4 percent of American gun deaths could be attributed to mental health issues. And Mr. Lankford, in an email, said countries with high suicide rates tended to have low rates of mass shootings — the opposite of what you would expect if mental health problems correlated with mass shootings." According to the AFSP website - https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/- in 2015 there were 44,000+ suicides with just under 50% of them by firearm. There were also almost a 500,000 people who visited a hospital due to self harm (attempt). Unless my math is really shaky there is no freaking way 4% of gun deaths could be attributed to mental health issues if suicide is also considered a mental health issue. The problem is most people will not do the research themselve to see what the true #s are and instead rely on a rag like the NYT and trust that ti's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted November 8, 2017 at 11:02 PM Share Posted November 8, 2017 at 11:02 PM Let me guess without even reading it.....Its the guns right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted November 9, 2017 at 12:40 PM Share Posted November 9, 2017 at 12:40 PM Guns kill people, M'Kay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted November 9, 2017 at 02:09 PM Share Posted November 9, 2017 at 02:09 PM They never look and compare MASS KILLINGS on per capita, regardless of tool used. Do that, and US doesn't stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted November 9, 2017 at 03:09 PM Share Posted November 9, 2017 at 03:09 PM America's mass shootings by madmen occur in No Gun Zones (NGZ's) So do mass shootings in Britain, Australia, and other countries. They just don't stand out because the whole country is a NGZ. Just better armed criminal predators "feeding on" unarmed prey, across the country, every day. Just "business as usual." ============================== Here's some of the latest video's regarding Australia and Britain if needed. They are definitely not America. https://www.nratv.com/series/ginny-simone-reporting/episode/ginny-simone-reporting-season-6-episode-13-australia-a-nation-of-defenseless-victims https://www.nratv.com/series/ginny-simone-reporting/episode/ginny-simone-reporting-season-2-episode-10-british-citizens-protest-ban and a recent article [https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2017/10/27/britain-is-bleeding-violent-crime-rises-in-england-despite-gun-control/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted November 9, 2017 at 03:56 PM Share Posted November 9, 2017 at 03:56 PM America's mass shootings by madmen occur in No Gun Zones (NGZ's) So do mass shootings in Britain, Australia, and other countries. They just don't stand out because the whole country is a NGZ. Just better armed criminal predators "feeding on" unarmed prey, across the country, every day. Just "business as usual." ==============================Here's some of the latest video's regarding Australia and Britain if needed. They are definitely not America. https://www.nratv.com/series/ginny-simone-reporting/episode/ginny-simone-reporting-season-6-episode-13-australia-a-nation-of-defenseless-victims https://www.nratv.com/series/ginny-simone-reporting/episode/ginny-simone-reporting-season-2-episode-10-british-citizens-protest-ban and a recent article [https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2017/10/27/britain-is-bleeding-violent-crime-rises-in-england-despite-gun-control/ Yep. This continues to be the case, but is never reported by the media. If you disarm the victims, the attackers are more bold and are able to do more damage before they are finally stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokehouse Posted November 10, 2017 at 06:52 PM Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 06:52 PM Really...aren't a vast majority of firearm related deaths due to "Mental health"? I mean seriously, unless it is a flat out accident, or self defense, anyone that kills someone, or themselves with a firearm isn't exactly in the best mental-health state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted November 10, 2017 at 08:28 PM Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 08:28 PM I think they need to explore the political side. Most all mass murderers were/are Democrats, like 99%. Most crime/murders are in Democratically controlled cities. Guns don't kill, Democrats do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokehouse Posted November 10, 2017 at 09:37 PM Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 09:37 PM I think they need to explore the political side. Most all mass murderers were/are Democrats, like 99%. Most crime/murders are in Democratically controlled cities. Guns don't kill, Democrats do! Or.....you could read this article: https://mises.org/wire/theres-no-such-thing-american-homicide-rate ...focus on the map lower in the article. Leave that open in one tab of your browser and then open this link in the other: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg Click back and forth and tell me what you see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted November 11, 2017 at 02:05 AM Share Posted November 11, 2017 at 02:05 AM The New Yawk Slimes. All the propaganda that is fit to print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted November 12, 2017 at 12:38 AM Share Posted November 12, 2017 at 12:38 AM I think they need to explore the political side. Most all mass murderers were/are Democrats, like 99%. Most crime/murders are in Democratically controlled cities. Guns don't kill, Democrats do! Or.....you could read this article: https://mises.org/wire/theres-no-such-thing-american-homicide-rate ...focus on the map lower in the article. Leave that open in one tab of your browser and then open this link in the other: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg Click back and forth and tell me what you see... Aaaoowwwwww! You a ray-sist! Jesse no like you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted November 12, 2017 at 03:09 AM Share Posted November 12, 2017 at 03:09 AM The New Yawk Slimes. All the propaganda that is fit to print.They run articles every month about how a huge amount of the prison population has mental health issues.For example:https://nyti.ms/1g5qGHjhttps://nyti.ms/W2jVRiYet when it comes to murder its committed by perfectly sane people. The amount of mental gymnastics a NY Times journalist does explains their flexibility to keep their heads shoved up their a** at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgmeyer Posted November 12, 2017 at 05:20 AM Share Posted November 12, 2017 at 05:20 AM The New Yawk Slimes. All the propaganda that is fit to print.Winner.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted November 12, 2017 at 11:16 AM Share Posted November 12, 2017 at 11:16 AM Can one be an evil murderous monster and yet have no mental illness or instability at all?One should always look behind them before they finish painting a room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted November 13, 2017 at 04:43 PM Share Posted November 13, 2017 at 04:43 PM Can one be an evil murderous monster and yet have no mental illness or instability at all?One should always look behind them before they finish painting a room. Oh, absolutely. If you look at most murders, particularly planned murders, they are not committed by individuals with mental illnesses. They are likely to be committed by individuals with personality disorders, most often sociopathy (as opposed to psychopathy, which is different) because of impulse control issues, but these individuals are indeed sane. They simply have difficulties not acting in selfish, destructive, rageful fashion. Alternately, psychopaths will also commit murder, and they will do so in a cold, calculated manner. There are other personality disorders that are liable to commit murder, such as borderline personalities and narcissistic personality disordered individuals if they experience a situation that causes them significant duress or butts up against the pathology of their particular triggering threshold. With borderline personalities, that can be as simple as someone rejecting them or them feeling as though they are not the center of someone's world the way that they need to be. Then, you can often have a violent reaction similar to that of a sociopath's impulse control deficit-related response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted November 14, 2017 at 09:34 AM Share Posted November 14, 2017 at 09:34 AM Sorry, I should have left the question mark out.I believe the mental health tag is becoming a talking point that most of the public don't really understand. Throwing around tag lines and phrases to get them into mainstream use is laying a blanket over the truth and hindering solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted November 14, 2017 at 02:44 PM Share Posted November 14, 2017 at 02:44 PM https://www.thejacknews.com/law/gun-rights/the-united-states-does-not-have-more-mass-shootings-than-europe/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted November 15, 2017 at 02:44 PM Share Posted November 15, 2017 at 02:44 PM Can one be an evil murderous monster and yet have no mental illness or instability at all?One should always look behind them before they finish painting a room.I attended an NRA "Refuse to Be a Victim" class. It was actually in a church and taught by the pastor. During his introduction he said he normally works with helping people on both sides of crime. 1) the victims and 2) criminal rehabilitation. He was surprised to find, no matter how hard he tried, there are criminals that can NOT be rehabilitated. They are evil. And you don't which ones they are. Some came across so nice and friendly he had to check back to confirm the evil they had done. For those that thought bad things "can't happen to me," he assured them it can because evil exists everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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