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One of my students forgot to renew his Foid card. He got a letter today that his ccl has been revoked because it has been determined that he is no longer eligible for a Foid card. He has to Surrender ccl and firearms. It says he will get another letter about the Foid. His wife has a foid, he is going to give them to her. What does he need to do to straighten this out?
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Know two people that got Revoked CCL letters last two weeks !! EXPIRED FOID CARD LESS THAN A WEEK!!! Both reapplied day they received letter

 

The intent of this correspondence is to notify you that pursuant to 420 il66/25(2) Your IL concealed carry has been REVOKED for one or more of the following reasons.

 

The IL State Police has determined that you are no longer eligible to possess a FOID card. A letter concerning your FOID revocation will be forthcoming..

You are responsible to surrender your FOID card and Weapons under your possession. Please visit the ISP website for details.

 

You may appeal this decision by making request to review to the Department by logging into the Concealed carry application website within 60 days.

 

If you do not surrender your concealed carry licences to the court or Law enforcement agency with jurisdiction. You must surrender your licence within 48 hours to local law enforcement where you reside. Failure to surrender you Licence may result in the issuance of a Warrant for your arrest.

 

I was contacted by the first person who had an expired FOID and did his FOID for him while he was on the phone the day he received letter.

He contacted the local Sheriff who had no idea about the letter. The Sheriff contacted the ISP command staff and was advised by ISP. The person with no FOID should bring his FOID card,CCL Licences and all his FIREARMS to the Sheriff to be held until he had a valid FOID card. THE FOID, CCL and firearms are being held by the Sheriff at this time!!!!! The person's wife has a valid FOID card.

 

Here is the subsection FOID act

(g) A licensee whose license is revoked, suspended, or denied shall, within 48 hours of receiving notice of the revocation, suspension, or denial, surrender his or her concealed carry license to the local law enforcement agency where the person resides. The local law enforcement agency shall provide the licensee a receipt and transmit the concealed carry license to the Department of State Police. If the licensee whose concealed carry license has been revoked, suspended, or denied fails to comply with the requirements of this subsection, the law enforcement agency where the person resides may petition the circuit court to issue a warrant to search for and seize the concealed carry license in the possession and under the custody or control of the licensee whose concealed carry license has been revoked, suspended, or denied. The observation of a concealed carry license in the possession of a person whose license has been revoked, suspended, or denied constitutes a sufficient basis for the arrest of that person for violation of this subsection. A violation of this subsection is a Class A misdemeanor.

(h) A license issued or renewed under this Act shall be revoked if, at any time, the licensee is found ineligible for a Firearm Owner's Identification Card, or the licensee no longer possesses a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card. A licensee whose license is revoked under this subsection (h) shall surrender his or her concealed carry license as provided for in subsection (g) of this Section.
This subsection shall not apply to a person who has filed an application with the State Police for renewal of a Firearm Owner's Identification Card and who is not otherwise ineligible to obtain a Firearm Owner's Identification Card.

 

 

430 ILCS 65/2) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-2)
Sec. 2. Firearm Owner's Identification Card required; exceptions.
(a) (1) No person may acquire or possess any firearm, stun gun, or taser within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act.
(2) No person may acquire or possess firearm ammunition within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act.

(c-5) The provisions of paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (a) of this Section regarding the possession of firearms and firearm ammunition do not apply to the holder of a valid concealed carry license issued under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act who is in physical possession of the concealed carry license.

 

ccl revoke (1) (1).pdf

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Nice that they are on the stick about sending threatening letters and notices, but don't have the money or time to send renewal reminders. Reminds me of "the ol' days".

 

Kind of like that "30 days" thing when Blago and Quimby slashed staffing... it's written, but not always complied with. </sarc>

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Know two people that got Revoked CCL letters last two weeks !! EXPIRED FOID CARD LESS THAN A WEEK!!! Both reapplied day they received letter

 

The intent of this correspondence is to notify you that pursuant to 420 il66/25(2) Your IL concealed carry has been REVOKED for one or more of the following reasons.

 

 

 

THey cannot revoke a FOID just because it expires. The letter you quote says the person has become ineligible for a FOID and that is not true. This is the law:

 

 

If expired 6 mos. or less, it’s a petty offense – more than 6 mos. it’s the class A misdemeanor.

(a-5) A violation of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of Section 2, when the person's Firearm Owner's Identification Card is expired but the person is not otherwise disqualified from owning, purchasing, or possessing firearms, is a petty offense if the card was expired for 6 months or less from the date of expiration.

 

 

 

Please ask these friends if they would allow me to have a full copy of the letter they received. I would like to contact the ISP but would need the letter to do so.

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Kingcreek - unfortunately, the FOID is NOT "useless", at least not to the state. While they may not know the type and number of firearms you have, you are "registered" with them. This makes it easier to keep track of gun owners with the possible confiscation down the road. You never know what the state will try next.

I probably got my first FOID around 1970.

I have despised it ever since.

I always thought we, as Illinois gun owners, should have been fighting against it since the beginning. But too many gun owners accept it and even Richard Pearson (ISRA) once defended it in a conversation I had with him.

i once argued with the director of the ISP firearm division and told him we have had it since 1968 and if it was such a great thing, why hasn't every other state adopted it or something like it? He couldn't answer that but continued to say it worked great in Illinois.

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I am in this situation. I received my CCW permit in March of 2017. My FOID expired 8/1/2018. I never received an expiration notice, but I did on 8/9/2018 receive the letter that was revoking my CCW. I reapplied for a new FOID that same day (since renewing was no longer an option). On 9/10/2018 my FOID went back to active status, but my CCW still said revoked, so I filed an appeal explaining the situation on 9/10/2018. Today is 10-25-2018 and I have heard nothing. In fact, I don't even have my new FOID card, which if I log in it shows the status as, "Active" I have tried calling 1,000 times and never get through to a person, and the voicemail for the appeals section is no longer accepting new messages. I don't know what to do, I can't even go shoot or hunt because I don't have a physical FOID card that is up to date. Is there a place I can go, like a head quarters to speak to someone? Please help!

 

I attached an image of what it looks like in my ispfsb.com dashboard.

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I am in this situation. I received my CCW permit in March of 2017. My FOID expired 8/1/2018. I never received an expiration notice, but I did on 8/9/2018 receive the letter that was revoking my CCW. I reapplied for a new FOID that same day (since renewing was no longer an option). On 9/10/2018 my FOID went back to active status, but my CCW still said revoked, so I filed an appeal explaining the situation on 9/10/2018. Today is 10-25-2018 and I have heard nothing. In fact, I don't even have my new FOID card, which if I log in it shows the status as, "Active" I have tried calling 1,000 times and never get through to a person, and the voicemail for the appeals section is no longer accepting new messages. I don't know what to do, I can't even go shoot or hunt because I don't have a physical FOID card that is up to date. Is there a place I can go, like a head quarters to speak to someone? Please help!

 

I attached an image of what it looks like in my ispfsb.com dashboard.

 

 

There is no office or headquarters. The only option is inquire by postal mail or email:

 

askfoid_askfoid@isp.state.il.us

 

Ask_CCL@isp.state.il.us

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This business of the ISP not answering the phone is really a problem.

Understatement of the year honestly. I can not tell you the number of people who tell me they have called a half dozen times and never gotten an answer.

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I have a customer that is at about 21 days for when he applied for his replacement FOID after letting his prior lapse. He received the letter that he had to surrender his CCL and did so. He turned it in at the local ISP district headquaters and they gave him a form to fill out and bring back with his firearms if he chose to do so. The trooper basically said it is screwed up and he should just have a buddy hold on to them rather than bring them in. The customer stops in about once to twice a week to check the status. He does not have a computer and we are watching each step and keeping track. Just in case this happens again.

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Well I did what Molly B. suggested and sent emails to each of the email addresses listed. That was weeks ago. No response, not even a "we got your email" automated response. My FOID eventually showed up, I will blame that delay on the Chicago postal system. My appeal has now been under review for going on 5 months with absolutely no word from ISP what so ever. Several calls, handful of messages left on the appeals VM box, which I think is now full...W. T. F. I didn't even carry very often when my CCL was valid for the year before my FOID expired, I wanted it for road trips/ camping trips, but at this point I feel as though it is a lost cause and I wasted the money on the class and the 150+ for the CCL and finger prints and everything else. Is there a lawyer I can see about this? It is a matter of principle at this point.

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Seems like ISP in general has staffing issues. Courts are throwing out drug cases because ISP cant get lab results to police anymore. I just made myself a calendar reminder to renew my FOID. Not going to wait for them to send me anything. Just ridiculous how our taxes get put to use.
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Seems like ISP in general has staffing issues. Courts are throwing out drug cases because ISP cant get lab results to police anymore. I just made myself a calendar reminder to renew my FOID. Not going to wait for them to send me anything. Just ridiculous how our taxes get put to use.

 

I did the same thing, added a calendar reminder to renew my FOID. In process of renewing my CCL. and never received a renewal letter.

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