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Posted 29 August 2019 - 06:06 PM


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SAF CONSIDERING LAWSUIT TO FORCE FASTER CCL PROCESS IN ILLINOIS

 

BELLEVUE, WA The Second Amendment Foundation today revealed that it is considering legal action to force authorities in the State of Illinois to speed up the application and renewal process for concealed carry licenses, following a report by WMAQ in Chicago about the length of time citizens must wait for their licenses.

A right delayed is a right denied, said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. We are considering taking legal to end this abuse of process.

According to the report, it is taking from 120 to 140 days for the State Police to process license applications when it should be taking between 90 and 120 days. Currently, nearly 34,000 first-time and renewal CCL applications are being processed. The state has almost 301,000 CCL holders, and those who obtained their licenses in 2013, when the law first took effect, need to renew.

The Second Amendment Foundations successful lawsuit forced Illinois to pass their concealed carry license law, Gottlieb recalled. Now the slow process is discouraging people from exercising their rights.

The State Police Firearms Services Bureau reportedly has only five staffers designated to handle about 20,000 phone calls a week. Gottlieb said that is simply unacceptable in a state where revenue from CCL applications and renewals runs into the millions of dollars.

In neighboring Indiana, Gottlieb said after viewing the WMAQ report, authorities process licenses in less than 60 days and in Wisconsin, they do it in five days on the average.
This isnt about serving the public, he observed, its about discouraging the public. It doesnt take a degree in mathematics or economics to realize there is a growing demand for carry licenses, but the resources clearly are not being provided to meet that demand, and we think its deliberate.

This especially impacts gun owners in the Chicago area, where demand is the highest, Gottlieb stated. If the General Assembly and state police dont care to allocate the necessary resources to solve this problem, we may ask the courts to make them do it.

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Posted 29 August 2019 - 06:26 PM

 


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SAF CONSIDERING LAWSUIT TO FORCE FASTER CCL PROCESS IN ILLINOIS

 

BELLEVUE, WA The Second Amendment Foundation today revealed that it is considering legal action to force authorities in the State of Illinois to speed up the application and renewal process for concealed carry licenses, following a report by WMAQ in Chicago about the length of time citizens must wait for their licenses.

A right delayed is a right denied, said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. We are considering taking legal to end this abuse of process.

According to the report, it is taking from 120 to 140 days for the State Police to process license applications when it should be taking between 90 and 120 days. Currently, nearly 34,000 first-time and renewal CCL applications are being processed. The state has almost 301,000 CCL holders, and those who obtained their licenses in 2013, when the law first took effect, need to renew.

The Second Amendment Foundations successful lawsuit forced Illinois to pass their concealed carry license law, Gottlieb recalled. Now the slow process is discouraging people from exercising their rights.

The State Police Firearms Services Bureau reportedly has only five staffers designated to handle about 20,000 phone calls a week. Gottlieb said that is simply unacceptable in a state where revenue from CCL applications and renewals runs into the millions of dollars.

In neighboring Indiana, Gottlieb said after viewing the WMAQ report, authorities process licenses in less than 60 days and in Wisconsin, they do it in five days on the average.
This isnt about serving the public, he observed, its about discouraging the public. It doesnt take a degree in mathematics or economics to realize there is a growing demand for carry licenses, but the resources clearly are not being provided to meet that demand, and we think its deliberate.

This especially impacts gun owners in the Chicago area, where demand is the highest, Gottlieb stated. If the General Assembly and state police dont care to allocate the necessary resources to solve this problem, we may ask the courts to make them do it.

 

 

Good, I've been waiting since April for my renewal application to be approved



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Posted 29 August 2019 - 08:04 PM

I hope they do and I hope they're successful.  


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Posted 29 August 2019 - 08:32 PM

About time someone tried to get the state held accountable!



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Posted 29 August 2019 - 08:40 PM

I support this.

 

When properly staffed, processing a renewal (or first time app) should not take long.

My renewal took less than 30 days early on.


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Posted 29 August 2019 - 09:48 PM

They literally have NO excuse, THEY issued the CCL, so they know when it expires, and can anticipate THOSE loads upon

their system literally years in advance.

 

I've always believed that the FSB delays weren't incompetence but rather malfeasance.

 

And the state milking a cash cow.

 

perhaps that lawsuit should force revelations of the records of EXACTLY where THAT cash is going.


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Posted 29 August 2019 - 09:58 PM

They literally have NO excuse, THEY issued the CCL, so they know when it expires, and can anticipate THOSE loads upon their system literally years in advance.

No kidding. We were discussing if the ISP was making any changes and preparing for the massive volume of first renewals here at IC I'd guess at least 1 to 2 years ago.
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Posted 30 August 2019 - 02:15 AM

Any tie in to the shortened renewal dates?  Wasn't that part of another bill the legislature passed?



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Posted 30 August 2019 - 05:16 AM

Any tie in to the shortened renewal dates?  Wasn't that part of another bill the legislature passed?

Are you referring to the change that makes CCL renewal card expire dates 5 years from existing expire date instead of from the date the ISP processes it? JBP signed it 7/12 and the ISP has 6 months to implement.
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Posted 30 August 2019 - 06:55 AM

Yep.  Thnx.



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Posted 30 August 2019 - 08:03 AM

I applied for renewal of my Utah license on August 1. Had my new license in hand on August 12. Hardly cost anything. If I would have let it go 30 days past the expiration date, it only would have cost $7.50 extra. IL requires taking the training again if that happens. Good state vs. bad state. What a contrast.

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 08:24 AM

 

 


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SAF CONSIDERING LAWSUIT TO FORCE FASTER CCL PROCESS IN ILLINOIS

 

BELLEVUE, WA The Second Amendment Foundation today revealed that it is considering legal action to force authorities in the State of Illinois to speed up the application and renewal process for concealed carry licenses, following a report by WMAQ in Chicago about the length of time citizens must wait for their licenses.

A right delayed is a right denied, said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. We are considering taking legal to end this abuse of process.

According to the report, it is taking from 120 to 140 days for the State Police to process license applications when it should be taking between 90 and 120 days. Currently, nearly 34,000 first-time and renewal CCL applications are being processed. The state has almost 301,000 CCL holders, and those who obtained their licenses in 2013, when the law first took effect, need to renew.

The Second Amendment Foundations successful lawsuit forced Illinois to pass their concealed carry license law, Gottlieb recalled. Now the slow process is discouraging people from exercising their rights.

The State Police Firearms Services Bureau reportedly has only five staffers designated to handle about 20,000 phone calls a week. Gottlieb said that is simply unacceptable in a state where revenue from CCL applications and renewals runs into the millions of dollars.

In neighboring Indiana, Gottlieb said after viewing the WMAQ report, authorities process licenses in less than 60 days and in Wisconsin, they do it in five days on the average.
This isnt about serving the public, he observed, its about discouraging the public. It doesnt take a degree in mathematics or economics to realize there is a growing demand for carry licenses, but the resources clearly are not being provided to meet that demand, and we think its deliberate.

This especially impacts gun owners in the Chicago area, where demand is the highest, Gottlieb stated. If the General Assembly and state police dont care to allocate the necessary resources to solve this problem, we may ask the courts to make them do it.

 

 

Good, I've been waiting since April for my renewal application to be approved

 

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 08:56 PM

What I don’t see the reasoning behind is the time it takes for renewals. A CCL holder is background checked practically every day....what else is there to check???

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 09:23 PM

What I dont see the reasoning behind is the time it takes for renewals. A CCL holder is background checked practically every day....what else is there to check???

Well...you've got 10s of thousands of apps and limited number of people processing them. So you just wind up in a pile until they get to your app. Pretty sure new and renewals use some additional databases i.e Federal that aren't used with the nightly checks. However, renewals do not have the LE objection period so that should be taking 30 days off the time.

Renewals should not take longer than new apps.

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 09:38 AM

FOID CARDS are system checked daily.
FCCL Original appl. is a full history back-ground check.
FCCL Renewal appl. is a history check most current 5-years.
Check / check /check / check....
Delay /delay / delay / delay....
Infringe / infringe /infringe / infringe !!!!!
Illinois /Illinois / Illinois / Illinois !!!!!

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 09:20 PM

 

What I dont see the reasoning behind is the time it takes for renewals. A CCL holder is background checked practically every day....what else is there to check???

Well...you've got 10s of thousands of apps and limited number of people processing them. So you just wind up in a pile until they get to your app. Pretty sure new and renewals use sone additional databases i.e Federal that aren't used with the nightly checks. However, renewals do not have the LE objection period so that should be taking 30 days off the time.

Renewals should not take longer than new apps.

 

 

Other states don't appear to have this huge backlog and delay problem.


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Posted 01 September 2019 - 01:10 AM

FOID CARDS are system checked daily.FCCL Original appl. is a full history back-ground check.FCCL Renewal appl. is a history check most current 5-years.Check / check /check / check....Delay /delay / delay / delay....Infringe / infringe /infringe / infringe !!!!!Illinois /Illinois / Illinois / Illinois !!!!!

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 01:22 AM

What I dont see the reasoning behind is the time it takes for renewals. A CCL holder is background checked practically every day....what else is there to check???Well...you've got 10s of thousands of apps and limited number of people processing them. So you just wind up in a pile until they get to your app. Pretty sure new and renewals use some additional databases i.e Federal that aren't used with the nightly checks. However, renewals do not have the LE objection period so that should be taking 30 days off the time.
Renewals should not take longer than new apps.

• Nightly checks in other states are just to compare a list of CCL holders names to daily arrest records names. I'm not sure if it's the same in Illinois.

• When I last renewed my Utah permit I was in SLC. I walked into BCI without an appointment, took a number, waited to be called to the window, at the window told them what I was there for, made my payment, sat down and waited a few minutes longer, was called into the backroom, had my picture taken, chatted with the nice woman for about 2 minutes, was handed a new permit, and walked out the door. Total time was about 30 minutes.

It should be noted that Utah BCI operates on a net $0 profit for issuing permits. If the foresee a need for new equipment they ask the state to legislate an increase in fees. If they have a surplus of funds they ask the state to legislate a decrease if fees. We know Illinois is making money on the FCCL. They are profiting from a civil right. That's why the free is so high, and there's no justification in the law for the additional $150 nonresidents have to pay.

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 03:15 PM

I've been waiting since January, while I think it's BS, I have no "damages" since it's still valid and I'm getting free time. 

Foid is expired for months as well, also still under review, it can stay that way for life as the licenses really should be. 

 

People vote, that costs a lot more money, IF there's a license it should be free. 


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