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I think its all over now except the shouting. Our choice in November will be Trump vs Clinton, which to me is not really a choice since Clinton is totally unacceptable. I know that Trump is boorish, unprofessional, ignorant on key issues, vain and thin skinned, but to me only four things really matter: nominees to the Supreme Court, strengthening of our military, revision of the tax code to stimulate the economy, replacement of Obamacare with a market based approach. I feel totally confident that Clinton's agenda on each of these issues is totally opposite to what I think is right for America. I am moderately confident that Trump will go in the direction I desire on at least the first two of these issues, likely on the third, and its a toss-up on the fourth item. (My concerns about our 2nd Amendment are included in the first issue of the Supreme Court.) So I am fully ready to vote for Trump in the Fall. I do worry, however, that that boorishness of Trump and the perception that he has no respect for women will make it a challenge for me to convince any of my otherwise responsible friends and family members that staying home is not a real choice and that even if they have to grimace to get through the process, they need to vote for Trump.

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The difference is that Trump, unlike Obama, is going to bring in the best people he can get to advise him on the issues where he may be lacking. He is a business man, he knows how to get it done. I don't think he will give a damn who is offended while he fixes major issues with this country and he seems guarded in regards to our past tendencies to launch expeditionary wars in far off lands for the heck of it. Trump is my 3rd choice in this election but it doesn't look like Cruz has any hope of getting over the finish line and my 1st choice is long gone.

 

I really hope he can pull it together and beat Hillary, she is a liar and the worst kind of crony capitalist. 4 or 8 years of Hillary would be an absolute disaster for this country, not to even mention gun rights. It would be the 70's and 80's all over again.

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Any freedom loving American has to vote Trump if they have an ounce of sense. Hillary would load SCOTUS up with anti 2A liberals who would work to disarm us. I'm no historian, but has any dictator come to power without disarming the populace?

 

While Trump has many shortcomings in personality, he would not be the disaster Hillary would be.

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Being a veteran I cannot imagine any fellow veteran or anyone in law enforcement voting for H. She has aligned herself with the anti LE and BLM to the point I can't see her coming off this policy. I am not so much concerned with her e-mail cover up as I am with the facts that this has brought out. Her lies to the families of the four murdered in Bengazi while telling her own family and foreign leaders the truth. Bengazi was so wrong to have happened in the first place, these people should have been pulled out or at least given proper security. But, the fact there was no one sent to their aid after the attack started is unforgivable. The excuses I have heard; we didn't know exactly what was happening, there wasn't enough time to get there. This is why we have Marines and over the years these Marines have went into a lot of places where they didn't have a clear picture of what they would find but they went because they were needed. And how many times have our military leaders been able to predict how long a battle would last when it started. I would say very few if any over the last 200 years. She deserves nothing more than the inside of a federal prison cell. Jim.
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Calling it as over before the last states even cast there votes is also not the epitome of fairness either. Until Trump acquires 1237 bound delegates there is always the possibility of other outcomes. Why should any remaining candidate drop out. Maybe the Republican convention can nominate Bernie to run against Hillary. After a certain number of ballots anything goes.

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Nothing is written in stone yet but to all the Trump haters....are you going back the republican nominee or vote for the HAG because somebody tipped over your checkerboard?

That's a pretty rude and unintellectual way to respond to those who disagree with you.

 

Disagree with me about what? I never said I was backing Trump. There has been plenty of unintellectual comments about Trump made right here , where were your scolding comments to others? I took alot of heat for pointing out the bad things about Cruz. Why didn't you scold all those meanies who jumped on me then? For the record, I wanted Ben Carson to be the nominee but we all know it didn't happen. If Trump gets the nomination, I will support him, not act like a petulant child because my choice was eliminated.

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I don't care who the republican nominee is. I will vote for anyone on the republican ticket over Clinton. I will vote for anyone, period, over Clinton. It is that simple.

 

ETA: I think Trump's numbers will get better when he actually wins the nomination. People who are supporting other candidates at this time will fall in line behind. Maybe not all of them but hopefully Trump can gain new voters. Honestly, I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. He is not my first choice but anyone is better than Clinton.

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This is the crap that my wife's friends in England are posting on farcebook. I think the need to do the same as they told obongo P off as part of politics,

I would love to say something back, but out of respect for my wife I hide them

 

After seeing the Donald Trump speech on defence & foreign policy I am now sure if the man became president there would be lots & lots of trouble throughout the world.

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After seeing the Donald Trump speech on defence & foreign policy I am now sure if the man became president there would be lots & lots of trouble throughout the world.

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Linda Gail May I said that yesterday its worrying thinking about it x
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Karen Foster Walker Very worrying Linda x
Linda Gail May To think he could be in charge of pushing that button let's just hope he doesn't get in x
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Karl Rogman I am with you 100% on that Karen.Anyway,stuff him,ur in sunny Cyprus.....enjoy it.
Davina Maria Antonio Walker hes a totel %^&** obama rules

 

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ETA: I think Trump's numbers will get better when he actually wins the nomination. People who are supporting other candidates at this time will fall in line behind. Maybe not all of them but hopefully Trump can gain new voters. Honestly, I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. He is not my first choice but anyone is better than Clinton.

 

I've believed for a while that Trump will lose in an epic landslide to Clinton, based on his very low numbers among numerous demographics, but do agree now that his poll numbers could climb a little bit if he becomes the nominee based on the anti-Clinton vote and his own shape-shifting.

 

As he continues to reveal his true liberal self and pivots left on taxes (already wants to raise them on the rich), democratic populism, social issues, and many other areas, he will probably steal some of the left's votes from Clinton.

 

But personally I don't think it will be enough to win the Presidency by a long shot. My (admittedly pessimistic) prediction: POTUS = Clinton, Senate flips to the Democrats, we get two liberal justices on SCOTUS (putting 2A at risk), and our debt goes up by another 50% in the next term.

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I hope its Trump. I'm getting tired of my 80 month vacation!

 

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I think the country was lost when obongo got elected for the second time. If we get hillary, kiss everything goodbye. That'll be the end of the free world as we knew it.

 

I agree. We had a one and final chance to turn things around last election and it didn't happen.

The only thing an ® president can do at this point is to slow down the slide into the toilet.

Hillary would speed things up.

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We have a long way to go with all this. Consider, how many fervent Bernie supporters will show up for Hillary. I know Dems close ranks in the end, but my gut says maybe it will be different this time. Once she is nominated she will concentrate on winning Bernie's base. Don't think they will warm up to a tired old lying criminal.

 

Trump gets the vote of all of us who aren't thrilled with him, but clearly know where the alternative would take us.

 

Anyway, I think a lot can/will happen between now and November. Now I have to work on my wife. If she goes Trump, he's in!

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ETA: I think Trump's numbers will get better when he actually wins the nomination. People who are supporting other candidates at this time will fall in line behind. Maybe not all of them but hopefully Trump can gain new voters. Honestly, I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. He is not my first choice but anyone is better than Clinton.

 

I've believed for a while that Trump will lose in an epic landslide to Clinton, based on his very low numbers among numerous demographics, but do agree now that his poll numbers could climb a little bit if he becomes the nominee based on the anti-Clinton vote and his own shape-shifting.

 

As he continues to reveal his true liberal self and pivots left on taxes (already wants to raise them on the rich), democratic populism, social issues, and many other areas, he will probably steal some of the left's votes from Clinton.

 

But personally I don't think it will be enough to win the Presidency by a long shot. My (admittedly pessimistic) prediction: POTUS = Clinton, Senate flips to the Democrats, we get two liberal justices on SCOTUS (putting 2A at risk), and our debt goes up by another 50% in the next term.

 

 

I agree that Trump might not be able to get the votes to beat Clinton. We won't know until it is 1 v 1. Then polls will start meaning something for the general election. I think it will be closer than the polls show now.

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My primary vote was for Cruz. I like Trump to a degree. Any Republican is better than Billary. Although I am glad Kasich is not in because that would have left a bad taste in my mouth voting for him ( I still would have done it). Kasich is just to close to the middle for my taste, and he had some other policies I didn't really agree with.....can't remember what they were though.

 

It's going to be interesting at the convention if Trump doesn't hit the number.

I think in all fairness, Trump should still be the nominee if the number isnt there, but I won't be upset if somehow Cruz gets the nomination.

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The difference is that Trump, unlike Obama, is going to bring in the best people he can get to advise him on the issues where he may be lacking. He is a business man, he knows how to get it done. I don't think he will give a damn who is offended while he fixes major issues with this country and he seems guarded in regards to our past tendencies to launch expeditionary wars in far off lands for the heck of it. Trump is my 3rd choice in this election but it doesn't look like Cruz has any hope of getting over the finish line and my 1st choice is long gone.

 

I really hope he can pull it together and beat Hillary, she is a liar and the worst kind of crony capitalist. 4 or 8 years of Hillary would be an absolute disaster for this country, not to even mention gun rights. It would be the 70's and 80's all over again.

I have never seen someone literally say the exact words I was thinking verbatim. Trump will find the best of the best. He doesnt know the details of construction but he has found the best for the job and probably got em for a good deal too. If the republicans prepare a good budget he will sign it, Hillary will complain about the cuts and say old people and blacks will die as a result

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Color me pessimistic, but who we, as conservatives, vote for in November will not matter a darn. Thanks to Cook County (and the legions of the dead who will be voting early and often), Illinois is going to be as reliably Democrat as any other state in the union. Personally, I anticipate voting for Gary Johnson again.
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The difference is that Trump, unlike Obama, is going to bring in the best people he can get to advise him on the issues where he may be lacking. He is a business man, he knows how to get it done. I don't think he will give a damn who is offended while he fixes major issues with this country and he seems guarded in regards to our past tendencies to launch expeditionary wars in far off lands for the heck of it. Trump is my 3rd choice in this election but it doesn't look like Cruz has any hope of getting over the finish line and my 1st choice is long gone.

 

I really hope he can pull it together and beat Hillary, she is a liar and the worst kind of crony capitalist. 4 or 8 years of Hillary would be an absolute disaster for this country, not to even mention gun rights. It would be the 70's and 80's all over again.

I have never seen someone literally say the exact words I was thinking verbatim. Trump will find the best of the best. He doesnt know the details of construction but he has found the best for the job and probably got em for a good deal too. If the republicans prepare a good budget he will sign it, Hillary will complain about the cuts and say old people and blacks will die as a result

 

I agree whole heartedly with you

Just like Ronald Reagan , he could not be an assistant manager at Mc Donalds yet he could pick and hire those that could get the job done which made him the best president ever

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Color me pessimistic, but who we, as conservatives, vote for in November will not matter a darn. Thanks to Cook County (and the legions of the dead who will be voting early and often), Illinois is going to be as reliably Democrat as any other state in the union. Personally, I anticipate voting for Gary Johnson again.

 

Honest question here... not attacking, I seriously want to understand. And anyone else who holds this same view (I've seen several members post something similar) is free to answer as well...

 

Assuming you are an intelligent adult, you know that the next president will be either the Democratic Party's nominee or the Republican Party's nominee.

 

Knowing that, and assuming that you do not want the Democratic nominee to win, why would you not vote for the Republican nominee?

 

Say it comes down to Hillary and Trump. Those are the only 2 people who votes matter for. Why not cast a vote that actually counts against Hillary? Do you think Hillary would be better than Trump?

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Most will not vote just to make their point that the higher ups should have listened to their guy instead of picking whoever they do. Republicans have strong views on many different subjects. Many on the forum will go with the best 2A support. Some may vote for the rights of unborn babies or maybe immigration. If you are a republican and the guy who gets the nod is not on the same side as you regarding a particular subject, you would be less inclined to vote. If you are on the D side, you know they will be trying to give away as much free shtuff as possible. That is their vote. All the folks who are ProBernie and claim to be 100% anti Hillary will still vote for her in the fall regardless.

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Color me pessimistic, but who we, as conservatives, vote for in November will not matter a darn. Thanks to Cook County (and the legions of the dead who will be voting early and often), Illinois is going to be as reliably Democrat as any other state in the union. Personally, I anticipate voting for Gary Johnson again.

 

Honest question here... not attacking, I seriously want to understand. And anyone else who holds this same view (I've seen several members post something similar) is free to answer as well...

 

Assuming you are an intelligent adult, you know that the next president will be either the Democratic Party's nominee or the Republican Party's nominee.

 

Knowing that, and assuming that you do not want the Democratic nominee to win, why would you not vote for the Republican nominee?

 

Say it comes down to Hillary and Trump. Those are the only 2 people who votes matter for. Why not cast a vote that actually counts against Hillary? Do you think Hillary would be better than Trump?

 

 

To be honest, I don't think Trump will be much better. I'd be more willing to believe that he'd find the smartest people to be in the room with him (a la Reagan) if he hadn't made such a hash of the delegate selection processes in states like Colorado. He was playing checkers while Cruz was playing chess. I'd also be more willing to believe that he'd be better if he hadn't undergone such major modifications to the majority of the positions that he holds. I could believe that Donald had, over the course of the last couple of years, become more enamored of personal property rights. Or that he'd gone from being willing to outlaw "assault weapons" to fully and firmly supporting the 2nd Amendment. Unfortunately, though, he has no governor between his brain and his mouth, and he's changed too many of the positions that he's espoused too recently for me to believe that he's suddenly seen the light on the road to Damascus and become a Reaganite conservative.

 

But, in the larger scheme of things, I flatly refuse to vote AGAINST someone. If someone wants my vote for office, they should convince me, and I'll select the most qualified of the available candidates to whom to give my vote. I'm not going to vote for someone I distrust and despise just because someone ELSE is even worse.

 

Maybe, just maybe, this election cycle will get through to the RNC that the people actually do have something to say about the candidates that are being run, and they start actually putting conservative candidates forward. If they don't, they'll go the way of the Whigs and Know-Nothings in before 2020.

 

Bri

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Color me pessimistic, but who we, as conservatives, vote for in November will not matter a darn. Thanks to Cook County (and the legions of the dead who will be voting early and often), Illinois is going to be as reliably Democrat as any other state in the union. Personally, I anticipate voting for Gary Johnson again.

 

Honest question here... not attacking, I seriously want to understand. And anyone else who holds this same view (I've seen several members post something similar) is free to answer as well...

 

Assuming you are an intelligent adult, you know that the next president will be either the Democratic Party's nominee or the Republican Party's nominee.

 

Knowing that, and assuming that you do not want the Democratic nominee to win, why would you not vote for the Republican nominee?

 

Say it comes down to Hillary and Trump. Those are the only 2 people who votes matter for. Why not cast a vote that actually counts against Hillary? Do you think Hillary would be better than Trump?

 

 

To be honest, I don't think Trump will be much better. I'd be more willing to believe that he'd find the smartest people to be in the room with him (a la Reagan) if he hadn't made such a hash of the delegate selection processes in states like Colorado. He was playing checkers while Cruz was playing chess. I'd also be more willing to believe that he'd be better if he hadn't undergone such major modifications to the majority of the positions that he holds. I could believe that Donald had, over the course of the last couple of years, become more enamored of personal property rights. Or that he'd gone from being willing to outlaw "assault weapons" to fully and firmly supporting the 2nd Amendment. Unfortunately, though, he has no governor between his brain and his mouth, and he's changed too many of the positions that he's espoused too recently for me to believe that he's suddenly seen the light on the road to Damascus and become a Reaganite conservative.

 

But, in the larger scheme of things, I flatly refuse to vote AGAINST someone. If someone wants my vote for office, they should convince me, and I'll select the most qualified of the available candidates to whom to give my vote. I'm not going to vote for someone I distrust and despise just because someone ELSE is even worse.

 

Maybe, just maybe, this election cycle will get through to the RNC that the people actually do have something to say about the candidates that are being run, and they start actually putting conservative candidates forward. If they don't, they'll go the way of the Whigs and Know-Nothings in before 2020.

 

Bri

 

 

I see it. I read it. I do not understand it.

 

I've said it before: The time to take a philosophical stand to make a point was during the primary. Hold to your ideals. Vote your conscience. Send a message to party leadership. Shout it from the rooftop: "The candidates suck!" Get noticed. Make yourself feel better.

 

The general election is not that time. It needs to be a time of unity. Given the multitude of complex issues, the chances of actually "liking" a candidate are slim to none. After weighing the pros and cons, the best you can do is vote for the candidate who aligns most closely to your views and/or the one you believe least likely to steer the country in the wrong direction. Given the current situation with the Supremes, the wrong direction now has greater significance than normal. There is no question what a Clinton presidency would mean for the Supreme Court.

 

The greater good of the country is at stake. People need to understand this and get over themselves.

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I see it. I read it. I do not understand it.

 

I've said it before: The time to take a philosophical stand to make a point was during the primary. Hold to your ideals. Vote your conscience. Send a message to party leadership. Shout it from the rooftop: "The candidates suck!" Get noticed. Make yourself feel better.

 

The general election is not that time. It needs to be a time of unity. Given the multitude of complex issues, the chances of actually "liking" a candidate are slim to none. After weighing the pros and cons, the best you can do is vote for the candidate who aligns most closely to your views and/or the one you believe least likely to steer the country in the wrong direction. Given the current situation with the Supremes, the wrong direction now has greater significance than normal. There is no question what a Clinton presidency would mean for the Supreme Court.

 

The greater good of the country is at stake. People need to understand this and get over themselves.

 

 

Well, I'm never going to say never. Mr. Trump has slightly more than 6 months to convince me he's not Hillary Clinton, and would be better for the country than she would be. With the positions he's espoused for most of his adult life, I can't see that much daylight between them.

 

If he can find a way to make a sharp enough break with his past to convince me he's seriously turned over a new leaf, he may yet get my vote. Just getting up in front of people and running his mouth isn't going to cut the mustard.

 

And by holding my nose and voting against Hillary (by giving an unearned vote to whomever the ultimate GOP nominee will be), I'll just be enabling the idiots from the RNC (I'm looking at YOU, Reince) who got us into this mess to begin with. I'm done with coming back to lick the hand of the GOP because they refuse to find a decent constitutional conservative.

 

Bri

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