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Not really sure what that has to do with keeping your hands on the wheel and obeying an officers commands at all times. But yes they can if its your car.

 

Don't want to turn this into a discussion about the Castille verdict.

 

So if an officer runs your license plate, it will show you have a permit? Is this the same case for your drivers license?

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Not really sure what that has to do with keeping your hands on the wheel and obeying an officers commands at all times. But yes they can if its your car.

 

Don't want to turn this into a discussion about the Castille verdict.

 

So if an officer runs your license plate, it will show you have a permit? Is this the same case for your drivers license?

 

 

 

Yes, if the plates are registered to the driver and if they do a LEADS check of your driver's license, it shows if you have a FOID, CCL.

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Maybe some of our resident LE members can weigh in on procedure, but it seems unlikely that all that checking takes place in a quickly initiated traffic stop. If the officer sits in the car a minute before approaching, perhaps.

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I've never had one just run right up to my car after being pulled over. They generally run the plates and call it in so if anything happens dispatch knows who they were involved with. Have not been pulled over since having my CCL, but always asked if I had weapons in the car by ISP officers, guessing due to FOID.

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Not really sure what that has to do with keeping your hands on the wheel and obeying an officers commands at all times. But yes they can if its your car.

 

Don't want to turn this into a discussion about the Castille verdict.

 

So if an officer runs your license plate, it will show you have a permit? Is this the same case for your drivers license?

 

Yes, if the plates are registered to the driver and if they do a LEADS check of your driver's license, it shows if you have a FOID, CCL.

and apparently some out of state agencies as well via NLETS although I could not find if IL is currently participating in this as the list I saw was before the FCCA.

 

http://wiki.nlets.org/index.php/Section_30:_Concealed_Weapons_Permit_Information

 

As for IL LE, I had read previously that the CCL info could appear on different pages depending on which version of the inquiry software they were running from mobile terminals, but no idea if this is true. I am assuming most do it from the vehicle instead of calling to dispatch these days.

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They call in the traffic stop before they light you up. I've actually listened to ISP stopping a car as I was driving by, he was calling dispatch before he had the car curbed or even lit up. I believe that they run the tags before running the 28 with dispatch. Then again, that's ISP procedure. Locals call in a signal 12 for a traffic stop.

 

Illinois does participate in NLETS. Or at least the language is in the law for NLETS participation. Don't know if they actually do.

 

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Not really sure what that has to do with keeping your hands on the wheel and obeying an officers commands at all times. But yes they can if its your car.

 

Don't want to turn this into a discussion about the Castille verdict.

 

So if an officer runs your license plate, it will show you have a permit? Is this the same case for your drivers license?

 

Yes, if the plates are registered to the driver and if they do a LEADS check of your driver's license, it shows if you have a FOID, CCL.

Molly, I assume you meant if they run the *plate* through LEADS it'll show.

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As for IL LE, I had read previously that the CCL info could appear on different pages depending on which version of the inquiry software they were running from mobile terminals, but no idea if this is true. I am assuming most do it from the vehicle instead of calling to dispatch these days.

 

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It really depends if the vehicle registration has a person's drivers license information attached to it. Some vehicle registrations do not and some do. If drivers license information is attached then CCL information will automatically populate for the registered owner if he has a CCL. It will not however automatically populate FOID information on anyone. The officer has to run a separate FOID card check for that.

 

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Interesting that we don't have what seems like a clear answer to the question. I thought we had numerous LEO's on the forum so I am surprised we didn't get a simple straightforward answer. I have asked this in earlier threads, but not for IL law enforcement which I have always assumed would know that if I am stopped that I have a CCL. My question was about being stopped in another state, and I never was able to get an answer that gave me any confidence either way. I have been concerned about travel that takes me to states where CCL is virtually nonexistent and there is a strong negative predisposition toward anyone with a firearm, like NJ. I wonder if I were stopped for a traffic infraction in NJ, with my IL license plates on my vehicle, would the NJ LEO know that I have a CCL, and further, would it be likely that just knowing this he would feel he has probably cause to involuntarily search my vehicle. Being uncertain about this I have traveled unarmed, despite how uncomfortable that makes me, from IL to NY and New England rather than risk the huge consequences of being found with a firearm in NJ, NY, CT, RI, of MA when traveling to northern New England states.

 

I also wonder about travel in or outside of IL with a towed RV. If I kept a firearm in this "home", would I be safe from unwarranted searches by law enforcement or is an RV like a travel trailer considered a vehicle? I'd be willing to pay a fee for a consultation with an attorney if I could find an attorney that I had confidence in his/her having the knowledge to really answer these questions.

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The Motor Vehicle Exception/Automobile Exception (interchangeable) applies to RVs as they are readily movable. That is, unless they are on blocks. So if you're towing it, it's fair game. If it's unhitched and parked, then it could be considered one's abode. See California v. Carney, 471 U.S. 386 (1985). An RV (self-powered) is not considered your abode since you can start the engine and get out of dodge within a minute or two. A towed camper, yes. A tent, yes. The critical factor is how quickly it can be moved.

 

Footnote 3 from California v. Carney:

 

"We need not pass on the application of the vehicle exception to a motor home that is situated in a way or place that objectively indicates that it is being used as a residence. Among the factors that might be relevant in determining whether a warrant would be required in such a circumstance is its location, whether the vehicle is readily mobile or instead, for instance, elevated on blocks, whether the vehicle is licensed, whether it is connected to utilities, and whether it has convenient access to a public road."

 

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Interesting that we don't have what seems like a clear answer to the question. I thought we had numerous LEO's on the forum so I am surprised we didn't get a simple straightforward answer. I have asked this in earlier threads, but not for IL law enforcement which I have always assumed would know that if I am stopped that I have a CCL. My question was about being stopped in another state, and I never was able to get an answer that gave me any confidence either way. I have been concerned about travel that takes me to states where CCL is virtually nonexistent and there is a strong negative predisposition toward anyone with a firearm, like NJ. I wonder if I were stopped for a traffic infraction in NJ, with my IL license plates on my vehicle, would the NJ LEO know that I have a CCL, and further, would it be likely that just knowing this he would feel he has probably cause to involuntarily search my vehicle. Being uncertain about this I have traveled unarmed, despite how uncomfortable that makes me, from IL to NY and New England rather than risk the huge consequences of being found with a firearm in NJ, NY, CT, RI, of MA when traveling to northern New England states.

 

Did you read the posts on NLETS above? Depending on if the state is a participating member, the answer would seem to be a yes.
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I can help you out guys. Retired LEO after 29 years of suburban Chicago service. I retired at the rank of Commander for a small agency and was in charge of the 911 center & the concealed carry process approvals and objections. 1st of all, most coppers are very pro CCL, but there are exceptions.

 

The CCL will pop for LEADS inquires if the request has a name and DOB. For license plates, If an officer runs a plate and you have previously attached the DLN with the plate, then yes the CCL will show.

 

You are also correct on the tons different software that is out there. Some will put the CCL on another page and when the officer has to scroll through the pages, some will put it on one page and you use a scroll bar on the side to go down the page and see what the response is. Some may not show it at all if the software is really old or outdated and does not know how to parse out the response from LEADS.

 

As for agencies running plates each are different, I know one very small agency still does not call in the stop till after the vehicle has been curbed and 1st contact has been made with the driver.

 

Dispatch centers also relay information to officers differently depending on their procedures. Some inform the officers, others may not.

 

Hope this helps.

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Thanks R1200RT. Another question. Let's say you have a Florida non-resident concealed carry permit. Can law enforcement outside of Florida see that you have that permit? I'm guessing not.

 

I'm also assuming that only some states "link" the permit with the drivers license. States where the permitting is done by the county sheriff and each county has a different looking permit (Iowa comes to mind) may not be able to link.

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Thanks R1200RT. Another question. Let's say you have a Florida non-resident concealed carry permit. Can law enforcement outside of Florida see that you have that permit? I'm guessing not.

 

I'm also assuming that only some states "link" the permit with the drivers license. States where the permitting is done by the county sheriff and each county has a different looking permit (Iowa comes to mind) may not be able to link.

 

After 29 years I never saw a out of state LEADS/INLETS automated response for a CCL. If I was on the street and had to deal with a out of state CCL. I would check the CCL closely and there is usually a number or agency that issued it. Contact them via cell phone or dispatch can contact them via LEADS/NLETS. If all else fails, I would call the issuing states, state police for assistance. They should at least be able to clarify or direct me where to go.

 

The only out of state permit I saw was a Arkansas CCL issued by a county sheriff, but that was over 10 years ago. It was ink back then, I would have to call the local sheriffs officer to confirm it. They may have changed by now.

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Pretty much. Every once in a while you'll run into one of those anti-RKBA cops but it's rare. I've been subjected to a bit of harassment by a county Deputy here who operates under the belief that no one other than police should be armed, has told me he doesn't believe in individual RKBA (I informed him that his view is irrelevant since RKBA is binding circuit precedent, he said he doesn't give a crap but with more colorful language). I handed him a pocket Constitution the last time he stopped me and told him to flip to the Fourth Amendment. His reaction told me everything I needed to know. Yeah so these people are fun to deal with but it really isn't much of a problem if you know your rights (the bad ones assume you don't, so they get angry when you assert them).

 

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Pretty much. Every once in a while you'll run into one of those anti-RKBA cops but it's rare. I've been subjected to a bit of harassment by a county Deputy here who operates under the belief that no one other than police should be armed, has told me he doesn't believe in individual RKBA (I informed him that his view is irrelevant since RKBA is binding circuit precedent, he said he doesn't give a crap but with more colorful language). I handed him a pocket Constitution the last time he stopped me and told him to flip to the Fourth Amendment. His reaction told me everything I needed to know. Yeah so these people are fun to deal with but it really isn't much of a problem if you know your rights (the bad ones assume you don't, so they get angry when you assert them). Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk

 

Sounds like exactly the kind of guy who should not be a cop. He wants to control people rather than serve them.

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There's mentally unbalanced individuals in every profession but law enforcement draws more of them than usual simply because of the power and authority granted to LEOs. Reminds me of that South Park episode where Cartman acts like a cop, goes around yelling "respect my authoritahhhhh!" That being said, I believe my boss to be mentally unbalanced and he's an accountant. Every profession.

 

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Thanks R1200RT. Another question. Let's say you have a Florida non-resident concealed carry permit. Can law enforcement outside of Florida see that you have that permit? I'm guessing not.

 

I'm also assuming that only some states "link" the permit with the drivers license. States where the permitting is done by the county sheriff and each county has a different looking permit (Iowa comes to mind) may not be able to link.

 

After 29 years I never saw a out of state LEADS/INLETS automated response for a CCL. If I was on the street and had to deal with a out of state CCL. I would check the CCL closely and there is usually a number or agency that issued it. Contact them via cell phone or dispatch can contact them via LEADS/NLETS. If all else fails, I would call the issuing states, state police for assistance. They should at least be able to clarify or direct me where to go.

 

The only out of state permit I saw was a Arkansas CCL issued by a county sheriff, but that was over 10 years ago. It was ink back then, I would have to call the local sheriffs officer to confirm it. They may have changed by now.

 

Correct. In order to see another states CCW, that said person would have to be ran thru that state. The system we use at work, only comes back with an Illinois response unless ran thru a different state.

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After reading about the recent Castille verdict, I started to wonder if law enforcement in Illinois can see if you have a concealed carry permit. Does anyone know if local or state police can see if you have a permit by pulling your info during a traffic stop?

Yes they can when they run your plate. One of the local cops and I got curious one night and ran my plate. The ccl info is on the second or third screen of info that pops up.

 

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After reading about the recent Castille verdict, I started to wonder if law enforcement in Illinois can see if you have a concealed carry permit. Does anyone know if local or state police can see if you have a permit by pulling your info during a traffic stop?

 

Yes. If the registered owner of a car has an Illinois CCL, that information will pop up during a leads search. Same thing if a DL or State ID name check is run.

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OK, here's a wrinkle. I'm about to get my non-resident IL CCL. In TX, DL is tied to our LTC, not vehicle plates. Since I had to provide all that info to ISP, (except plates), what do they know if I'm stopped in IL? I assume they would have to run my license, then they would know everything about me.
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It really depends if the vehicle registration has a person's drivers license information attached to it. Some vehicle registrations do not and some do. If drivers license information is attached then CCL information will automatically populate for the registered owner if he has a CCL. It will not however automatically populate FOID information on anyone. The officer has to run a separate FOID card check for that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This. FCCL links to vehicle registration, FOID is a separate check.

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