xxnickboggsxx Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:29 AM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:29 AM My dad recently purchased a new bolt carrier group online from a smaller retailer that I had never heard of before. The package shipped and and a day later, my dad received a message from UPS saying that is package was on hold pending proof of valid FOID... they gave him a list of a few locations that he could have the package sent to where he could go to pick it up and show his FOID in person. This seems crazy, considering the fact that a FOID is not required to purchase a BCG, its not regulated, and weve both gotten many boxes of ammo delivered by UPS without issues or checking for FOID. This doesnt even seem legal but Im no lawyer. Has anyone else had to show proof of a valid FOID to UPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:33 AM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:33 AM I’ve never heard of such a thing. Maybe a call to the dealer might straighten things out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:32 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:32 PM Maybe it's an ATF sting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:55 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:55 PM hide the dag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted October 1, 2020 at 01:17 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 01:17 PM Does this lead to defacto regulation of 80%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted October 1, 2020 at 02:06 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 02:06 PM Does this lead to defacto regulation of 80%?More so, does this make the UPS guy an FFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted October 1, 2020 at 02:16 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 02:16 PM Just guessing, but perhaps the seller put these instructions on the package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alby Posted October 1, 2020 at 02:54 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 02:54 PM Unless the outside of the shipping box is labeled with the contents , I am wondering how they know what’s in the package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted October 1, 2020 at 03:31 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 03:31 PM I have never been asked to provide a FOID for UPS/FedEx/USPS when receiving ammo, pistols or parts of any kind.As far as I know, the carriers do not know the content of my packages even when a signature is required for delivery. There was this one UPS guy that sorta knew what 2000 rounds of 9mm in a single heavy box was. I switched to ordering half as much at a time for those days when no one was home to sign and he had to carry it back to the truck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted October 1, 2020 at 03:33 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 03:33 PM Just guessing, but perhaps the seller put these instructions on the package.That thought came to me. Ive had sellers put goofy restrictions on things like I could not have pkg held for pickup or I could not have it delivered to an alternative address. I don't suppose the shipping address is Chicago or Cook County? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted October 1, 2020 at 04:21 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 04:21 PM Just guessing, but perhaps the seller put these instructions on the package.That thought came to me. Ive had sellers put goofy restrictions on things like I could not have pkg held for pickup or I could not have it delivered to an alternative address. I don't suppose the shipping address is Chicago or Cook County? That's my other thought as well, where the address was. And yep, I have one ammo seller that will NOT allow me to redirect/hold their UPS only shipments at a UPS access point, or UPS store JUST the UPS main depot. And, I don't like ammo just left on the porch, if I'm not home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxnickboggsxx Posted October 1, 2020 at 07:16 PM Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 07:16 PM Just guessing, but perhaps the seller put these instructions on the package.That thought came to me. Ive had sellers put goofy restrictions on things like I could not have pkg held for pickup or I could not have it delivered to an alternative address.I don't suppose the shipping address is Chicago or Cook County?In Kendall county. Maybe special instructions were left by seller but that still doesn’t make sense to me. UPS is not a FFL. I’ll know more once he picks up the package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted October 1, 2020 at 07:36 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 07:36 PM No, it does not make sense and is certainly not law, but we have seen posts of sellers imposing their own rules like refusing to sell product to Illinois e.g. ammo where a FOID is understandable or other things like stocks. Will be interesting to hear an update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted October 1, 2020 at 07:40 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 07:40 PM Maybe the mailman is just as desperate as the rest of us for ammo and hoping you couldn't produce.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted October 1, 2020 at 07:47 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 07:47 PM I would call and lay into them, you paid for delivery not pickup so tell them to do their job and deliver and if they insist on seeing a FOID ask why and if they will now require all people to present a FOID before deliverying a package. BTW, I have gone round and round with both FedEx and UPS customer support when they try the 'come pick it up' game, they have always relented and delivered after I tell them to do their single job and deliver the package that they were paid to deliver. Even had a manager deliver one on the way home from his shift one time, after the driver claimed no one was there to accept the overnight package when I was literally home all day long waiting for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:15 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:15 PM ..."after the driver claimed no one was there to accept the overnight package when I was literally home all day long waiting for it."... Isnt it amazing how often that happens? Run up to the door, ring the bell, run away back to truck and drive off before I can even get out of my chair. Last time they made that claim, I got access to my bldg security camera and the guy went to the door with no pkg, just the cant deliver door sticker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:27 PM Share Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:27 PM ..."after the driver claimed no one was there to accept the overnight package when I was literally home all day long waiting for it."... Isnt it amazing how often that happens? Run up to the door, ring the bell, run away back to truck and drive off before I can even get out of my chair. Last time they made that claim, I got access to my bldg security camera and the guy went to the door with no pkg, just the cant deliver door sticker. In that case the guy didn't even leave a sticker, I was paying attention to the delivery window and just for the heck of it since it was getting near the end of the delivery window, I checked tracking to see if the delivery window had been changed, low and behold when I refreshed it said that he had attempted delivery something like 3 minutes prior, that is when I got on the phone with customer support and laid into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxnickboggsxx Posted October 3, 2020 at 12:05 AM Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 at 12:05 AM We reached out to the seller via email and almost immediately got a call from the owner. He assured my dad that They did not make any special request and wouldn’t do something like this, and have never heard of anything like this happening. The shipping carton is plain with no mention of the contents. He is a registered FFL so he said maybe they looked up the company but that’s the only thing he could think of. They are going to call UPS. The owner was very upset by this and asked that we don’t talk about this online so I won’t name the company, they seemed very sincere. My dad says he will still pick it up but is going to ask a lot of questions and Record the experience. I’ll be sure to update. This is so strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxnickboggsxx Posted October 3, 2020 at 01:03 AM Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 at 01:03 AM Did you track it? If you did at anytime did it go through Hodgkins?That is the only possible thing I can think of.Packages have a happen of getting opened or go missing at Hodgkins.Yeah, it went through Hodgkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted October 3, 2020 at 02:22 AM Share Posted October 3, 2020 at 02:22 AM Did you track it? If you did at anytime did it go through Hodgkins?That is the only possible thing I can think of.Packages have a happen of getting opened or go missing at Hodgkins. Unless it was obvious illegal contraban, a common carrier has no business beyond delivering the item even if the contents are revealed, it's not their job to verify your FOID or say if you have a script for some lawful prescribed drugs... For contraband if discovered they hand it over to LE, beause again their job is simply to deliver packages not act as a pretend police force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted October 3, 2020 at 12:52 PM Share Posted October 3, 2020 at 12:52 PM Probably shouldn't show them a FOID since that would be setting a bad precedent.That's all we need is UPS to start playing gun police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted October 3, 2020 at 01:40 PM Share Posted October 3, 2020 at 01:40 PM Did you track it? If you did at anytime did it go through Hodgkins?That is the only possible thing I can think of.Packages have a happen of getting opened or go missing at Hodgkins.Yeah, it went through Hodgkins. I had an order of ammo go through Hodgkin last month. After the tracking showed it sitting there for 6 days I had UPS trace it and they found it in Idaho?! I finally got it a few days after that. I’ve got another order coming via UPS today and the last I saw it was on a truck for delivery in Westmont. We will see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxnickboggsxx Posted October 4, 2020 at 04:05 AM Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 at 04:05 AM Picked up the bcg today. They did not ask for a FOID. Asked the people at the UPS store why it had to be picked up and why he received a email saying he needed to show a FOID. They were obviously clueless, said they had no idea and didn’t see any instructions with the package and also have never checked for a FOID before. They explained that no one knows what’s inside the package at UPS and they don’t check FOID that’s the retailers responsibility. They said the system only shows that my dad “requested” to have the package held and picked up. He showed them the first email he got saying he needEd to show foid And the second email he received after selecting a pick up location and they said that the first email appeared to be typed manually by an actual person while the second email was an automated one. So maybe an anti 2A person working at UPS?? Even in that case how would they know the box contained a firearm component? And why ask for a FOID when the item is not regulated? Who knows. He’s been trying to get ahold of customer service but hasn’t been able to speak to a representative, keep giving him the run around about low staffing due to covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted October 18, 2020 at 03:21 PM Share Posted October 18, 2020 at 03:21 PM What also alarms me about this is the reality that if I showed my FOID card to anyone they would see that it has expired. Would UPS be aware that during this COVID19 pandemic the State is not sending out new updated cards even if the owner went through the proper renewal process? FWIW, I have on a few occasions ordered ammo from Midway and the packages were just left by my front door without any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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