lockman Posted October 10, 2014 at 05:04 PM Share Posted October 10, 2014 at 05:04 PM If SCOTUS hears this case and overturns the 7th's decision, will this lead the way to eliminate ID checks when buying guns? Any ruling applied to voting rights would seem to carry over to other fundamental rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted October 10, 2014 at 05:29 PM Share Posted October 10, 2014 at 05:29 PM If SCOTUS hears this case and overturns the 7th's decision, will this lead the way to eliminate ID checks when buying guns? Any ruling applied to voting rights would seem to carry over to other fundamental rights.Not a chance that it will work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted October 10, 2014 at 05:47 PM Share Posted October 10, 2014 at 05:47 PM Well you have hit on the difference between the logical contiguous case law of textual jurisprudence and the wacky world of illogical contradictory outcome-based jurisprudence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted October 10, 2014 at 05:55 PM Share Posted October 10, 2014 at 05:55 PM If SCOTUS hears this case and overturns the 7th's decision, will this lead the way to eliminate ID checks when buying guns? Any ruling applied to voting rights would seem to carry over to other fundamental rights. The Heller Court affirmed the Constitutionality of prohibiting some people (felons, etc) from gun ownership. Requiring some form of ID as a means to ensure you are not one of those prohibited persons would probably stand. Felons can't vote either, of course, so it could get interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted October 10, 2014 at 06:11 PM Share Posted October 10, 2014 at 06:11 PM I don't see how any reasonable judge, who is only concerned with interpreting the law (not molding society), could look at New York's licensing fees and not see that as a prior restraint. And it is obvious that the fees disproportionately affect poor people. If any governmental body ever tried to apply fees to voting, it would immediately be struck down as unconstitutional. But the Supreme Court decided to take a pass on hearing the issue as it applied to the Second Amendment when they declined to hear Kwong v Bloomberg. Equal Protection doesn't apply equally to all amendments apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted October 10, 2014 at 06:41 PM Share Posted October 10, 2014 at 06:41 PM I don't see how any reasonable judge, who is only concerned with interpreting the law (not molding society), could look at New York's licensing fees and not see that as a prior restraint. Prior restraint is relevant only to 1st amendment issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted October 10, 2014 at 06:46 PM Share Posted October 10, 2014 at 06:46 PM I don't see how any reasonable judge, who is only concerned with interpreting the law (not molding society), could look at New York's licensing fees and not see that as a prior restraint. Prior restraint is relevant only to 1st amendment issues. http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3715994 ^ a lot of work to edit out the swearing for a joke, man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googe1227 Posted October 10, 2014 at 10:52 PM Share Posted October 10, 2014 at 10:52 PM If SCOTUS hears this case and overturns the 7th's decision, will this lead the way to eliminate ID checks when buying guns? Any ruling applied to voting rights would seem to carry over to other fundamental rights.The Heller Court affirmed the Constitutionality of prohibiting some people (felons, etc) from gun ownership. Requiring some form of ID as a means to ensure you are not one of those prohibited persons would probably stand.Felons can't vote either, of course, so it could get interesting."Felons can't vote either, of course....." Mauserme, you crack me up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted October 10, 2014 at 11:42 PM Share Posted October 10, 2014 at 11:42 PM If SCOTUS hears this case and overturns the 7th's decision, will this lead the way to eliminate ID checks when buying guns? Any ruling applied to voting rights would seem to carry over to other fundamental rights.The Heller Court affirmed the Constitutionality of prohibiting some people (felons, etc) from gun ownership. Requiring some form of ID as a means to ensure you are not one of those prohibited persons would probably stand. Felons can't vote either, of course, so it could get interesting. Felons can vote in some states. IL restores voting rights to felons after term of incarceration. http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000286 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchostler Posted October 12, 2014 at 08:51 PM Share Posted October 12, 2014 at 08:51 PM If SCOTUS hears this case and overturns the 7th's decision, will this lead the way to eliminate ID checks when buying guns? Any ruling applied to voting rights would seem to carry over to other fundamental rights. The Heller Court affirmed the Constitutionality of prohibiting some people (felons, etc) from gun ownership. Requiring some form of ID as a means to ensure you are not one of those prohibited persons would probably stand. Felons can't vote either, of course, so it could get interesting. Felons can vote in some states. IL restores voting rights to felons after term of incarceration. http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000286 Illinois has that beat, the dead even vote here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostholycerebus Posted October 16, 2014 at 10:59 PM Share Posted October 16, 2014 at 10:59 PM If SCOTUS hears this case and overturns the 7th's decision, will this lead the way to eliminate ID checks when buying guns? Any ruling applied to voting rights would seem to carry over to other fundamental rights.The Heller Court affirmed the Constitutionality of prohibiting some people (felons, etc) from gun ownership. Requiring some form of ID as a means to ensure you are not one of those prohibited persons would probably stand. Felons can't vote either, of course, so it could get interesting. Cue emergency ruling that grants felons the right to vote.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted October 17, 2014 at 12:59 AM Share Posted October 17, 2014 at 12:59 AM Equal Protection doesn't apply equally to all amendments apparently. Remember, some people are more equal than others, in our society. That's the essence of Marxism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted October 18, 2014 at 12:52 PM Share Posted October 18, 2014 at 12:52 PM Supreme Court allows Texas to enforce new voter ID law for November election http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/18/justices-allow-texas-use-new-voter-id-law/ Ginsberg dissented and said it " likely imposes an unconstitutional poll tax" She is OK though with New York's actual $340 tax on the Second Amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WtJen Posted October 18, 2014 at 01:15 PM Share Posted October 18, 2014 at 01:15 PM Supreme Court allows Texas to enforce new voter ID law for November election http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/18/justices-allow-texas-use-new-voter-id-law/ Ginsberg dissented and said it " likely imposes an unconstitutional poll tax" She is OK though with New York's actual $340 tax on the Second Amendment. Excellent news and this will be the law in Texas on Nov 4th. Too bad we won't see a similar law in Illinois ever proposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted October 18, 2014 at 01:37 PM Share Posted October 18, 2014 at 01:37 PM Didn't SCOTUS block a voter ID law in Wisconsin a few weeks ago? * always right * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted October 18, 2014 at 02:01 PM Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 at 02:01 PM Yes, with two weeks to go maybe WI or IN can get a stay of the order in light of the SCOTUS action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted October 19, 2014 at 03:00 AM Share Posted October 19, 2014 at 03:00 AM When Texas secedes from the United States I will move there. I might move there anyway... It seems to be mostly run by sane people with a few exceptions like Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted November 8, 2014 at 03:58 PM Share Posted November 8, 2014 at 03:58 PM If SCOTUS hears this case and overturns the 7th's decision, will this lead the way to eliminate ID checks when buying guns? Any ruling applied to voting rights would seem to carry over to other fundamental rights.The Heller Court affirmed the Constitutionality of prohibiting some people (felons, etc) from gun ownership. Requiring some form of ID as a means to ensure you are not one of those prohibited persons would probably stand. Felons can't vote either, of course, so it could get interesting. Felons can vote in some states. IL restores voting rights to felons after term of incarceration. http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000286 Interesting when getting signatures for independent maps I ran into several people who said they were not able to sign because they couldn't vote because they had a past felony. I wish I would have know this, one was an older gentleman (in 50's) with a wife and kids who said he had a felony when he was 18, I remember which house this is, actually two of them I'm going back to talk to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted November 8, 2014 at 09:02 PM Share Posted November 8, 2014 at 09:02 PM Interesting when getting signatures for independent maps I ran into several people who said they were not able to sign because they couldn't vote because they had a past felony. I wish I would have know this, one was an older gentleman (in 50's) with a wife and kids who said he had a felony when he was 18, I remember which house this is, actually two of them I'm going back to talk to them. That's awesome that you remember the house and it's great that you're going to go back and talk to them. It's the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted November 9, 2014 at 01:24 AM Share Posted November 9, 2014 at 01:24 AM Interesting when getting signatures for independent maps I ran into several people who said they were not able to sign because they couldn't vote because they had a past felony. Every Chicago "Get Out The Vote" democrat knows that felons can vote, but its costly, you have to give them a turkey or a ham, give them toys for their kids, drive them to the polls and arrange for a snack and a beverage on the way, then you have to drop all of them off at the various clubs they want to go to that night. Expensive but its worth it because it puts you in control of a $35 Billion budget: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Tight-Illinois-Budget-Still-Contains-Pet-Projects-266221711.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDave6 Posted November 9, 2014 at 01:34 AM Share Posted November 9, 2014 at 01:34 AM I almost thought you were talking about Fr. Flappers protesters at Chucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted November 9, 2014 at 02:37 AM Share Posted November 9, 2014 at 02:37 AM It seems to be mostly run by sane people with a few exceptions like Houston.I think you might have meant to say Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted November 9, 2014 at 02:57 AM Share Posted November 9, 2014 at 02:57 AM I have 3 words for you: Sheila JacksonLee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRxay1ynjN4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted November 9, 2014 at 03:08 AM Share Posted November 9, 2014 at 03:08 AM She loves the Constitution: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googe1227 Posted November 9, 2014 at 03:58 AM Share Posted November 9, 2014 at 03:58 AM That woman hates America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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