mauserme Posted April 10, 2019 at 11:26 AM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 11:26 AM https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-illinois-foid-gun-card-fingerprinting-20190409-story.html Proposal would require fingerprints from those wanting gun permits in Illinois By Katherine Rosenberg-DouglasContact Reporter Chicago Tribune ... Do you put these kinds of overburdensome requirements on two-and-a-half million people because two people lied? No. The balance there does not make sense to me, said Valinda Rowe, who is the spokeswoman for IllinoisCarry, a gun rights advocacy group that provides support and help navigating concealed carry laws. Rowe believes the law that requires anyone who wants a gun to spend $10 on a FOID card that is good for 10 years is unconstitutional as it stands. Any amendments or future legislation aimed at further restricting gun owners rights would only exacerbate the problem, she said. And shortening the FOID card's expiration date from 10 years to five, which is also part of the legislative proposal, puts an additional burden on citizens, she said. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted April 10, 2019 at 12:43 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 12:43 PM More from the article. David Lombardo, a CCL trainer who owns Safer USA in rural Waterman, Ill., said the proposed changes represent government overreach. The only ones who are going to get fingerprints are the ones who know theyre not guilty of anything. All of these laws do nothing more than put a greater imposition on law-abiding citizens, Lombardo said. The bill also would require applicants, who now can fill out necessary forms online, to apply for both a FOID or a CCL in person at an Illinois State Police district office. Rowe also took issue with that provision. There are only 22 district offices for Illinois State Police in the entire state. How can 22 district offices handle two-and-a-quarter million FOID applicants in their 22 lobbies? she asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted April 10, 2019 at 01:35 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 01:35 PM Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framos242 Posted April 10, 2019 at 01:48 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 01:48 PM Bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted April 10, 2019 at 02:06 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 02:06 PM Thanks Valinda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted April 10, 2019 at 02:32 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 02:32 PM More from the article. David Lombardo, a CCL trainer who owns Safer USA in rural Waterman, Ill., said the proposed changes represent government overreach. The only ones who are going to get fingerprints are the ones who know theyre not guilty of anything. All of these laws do nothing more than put a greater imposition on law-abiding citizens, Lombardo said. The bill also would require applicants, who now can fill out necessary forms online, to apply for both a FOID or a CCL in person at an Illinois State Police district office. Rowe also took issue with that provision. There are only 22 district offices for Illinois State Police in the entire state. How can 22 district offices handle two-and-a-quarter million FOID applicants in their 22 lobbies? she asked. How is the ISP going to be able to handle the crowds? Maybe the gun-grabbers are figuring (hoping?) they won't be able to. And so their (the gun grabbers) harassment of law abiding citizens will go it's merry way. That, or they are braindead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted April 10, 2019 at 02:34 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 02:34 PM There are only 22 district offices for Illinois State Police in the entire state. How can 22 district offices handle two-and-a-quarter million FOID applicants in their 22 lobbies? she asked.That's part of their plan. The ISP will only process applications Tuesday - Friday 10:00AM - 4:00PM. They will have one window where you can have your application processed and that window will be maned by the slowest employee they have who will take 2 10 minute smoking breaks every hour plus an hour lunch and 2 30 minute coffee breaks everyday. This way gun owners will give up and get rid of their guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted April 10, 2019 at 02:52 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 02:52 PM One way that we as supporters of the 2nd Amendment can deal with these unConstitutional infringements upon our rights, is to seek out serving on juries, and hopefully getting on the jury of someone charged with violating some absurd gun control law. Then we can practice "jury nullification" by refusing to vote "guilty" no matter what the facts of the case actually are. About 1 in 5 in Illinois are FOID holders, so there might be a decent chance that some of us have to advance the cause of gun rights while doing our civic duty as a juror. I'm just not sure how one would go about increasing the chances of being selected for jury duty. I have only been called once in the 23 years I have lived and voted in this state and in that case was actually put on a criminal crime jury, voted as jury Foreman, and was able to get unanimous agreement as to guilt after only 5 minutes of deliberation. I would welcome the chance to serve again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VannDaddy Posted April 10, 2019 at 03:25 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 03:25 PM One way that we as supporters of the 2nd Amendment can deal with these unConstitutional infringements upon our rights, is to seek out serving on juries, and hopefully getting on the jury of someone charged with violating some absurd gun control law. Then we can practice "jury nullification" by refusing to vote "guilty" no matter what the facts of the case actually are. About 1 in 5 in Illinois are FOID holders, so there might be a decent chance that some of us have to advance the cause of gun rights while doing our civic duty as a juror. I'm just not sure how one would go about increasing the chances of being selected for jury duty. I have only been called once in the 23 years I have lived and voted in this state and in that case was actually put on a criminal crime jury, voted as jury Foreman, and was able to get unanimous agreement as to guilt after only 5 minutes of deliberation. I would welcome the chance to serve again. +1,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VannDaddy Posted April 10, 2019 at 03:35 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 03:35 PM 2,500,000 FOID holders and 22 ISP stations, 113,637 citizens per station. 5 years per FOID, that’s 22,728 Foids per year per station. Open 5 days a week at 52 weeks per year is 260 days per year. So 88 FOIDs per day, 11 FOIDs per hour, 5 minutes and 27 seconds per FOID, IF everything were perfect and IF one doesn’t factor in breaks and lunches. From a government office? Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPK Posted April 10, 2019 at 03:53 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 03:53 PM Gary Martin didn't have CCL or a valid FOID card. According to MDA, that should have been enough to stop his criminal act. It almost seems as if he didn't care about MDA or the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdeepv Posted April 10, 2019 at 05:55 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 05:55 PM First, not having a FOID has never stopped anyone from getting a gun when they really wanted one.Second, how can shackling the already legal gun owners with this ridiculous law prevent anything?Last, where is the court case against the FOID being unconstitutional in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted April 10, 2019 at 06:03 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 06:03 PM 2,500,000 FOID holders and 22 ISP stations, 113,637 citizens per station. 5 years per FOID, that’s 22,728 Foids per year per station. Open 5 days a week at 52 weeks per year is 260 days per year. So 88 FOIDs per day, 11 FOIDs per hour, 5 minutes and 27 seconds per FOID, IF everything were perfect and IF one doesn’t factor in breaks and lunches. From a government office? Good luck.That also assumes equal distribution of applicants among the 22 district stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 10, 2019 at 06:42 PM Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 06:42 PM · Hidden by mauserme, April 10, 2019 at 06:59 PM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, April 10, 2019 at 06:59 PM - No reason given The House is back. Link to comment
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InterestedBystander Posted April 10, 2019 at 09:09 PM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 09:09 PM Also these district offices support multiple counties so some may have to drive a distance to get to an office http://www.isp.state.il.us/images/distmapi.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted April 11, 2019 at 12:53 AM Share Posted April 11, 2019 at 12:53 AM Also these district offices support multiple counties so some may have to drive a distance to get to an office http://www.isp.state.il.us/images/distmapi.gif They'd scratch their own eyes out before they supported legislation requiring a woman to jump through these hoops for an abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted April 11, 2019 at 01:11 AM Share Posted April 11, 2019 at 01:11 AM How about if they had to drive that far to excercize another Constitutional right .... like voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted April 11, 2019 at 01:50 PM Share Posted April 11, 2019 at 01:50 PM Also these district offices support multiple counties so some may have to drive a distance to get to an office http://www.isp.state.il.us/images/distmapi.gifGosh, she must have been thinking about DL services and the way they can actually take care of people, answer the phone, etc. You do run into the occasional rude one, but by and large, they know who they are serving. Yessiree, cash and carry your fingerprints, foid, ccl, and range qual at any of our over 130 locations, lost or stolen FOID and CCL replaced on the spot. The Driver Services Department issues licenses to more than 8.5 million Illinois drivers and more than 3 million photo identification cards to drivers and non-drivers at more than 130 locations. https://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/drivers/home.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted April 11, 2019 at 03:27 PM Share Posted April 11, 2019 at 03:27 PM The entire purpose of that law is to make it so expensive and difficult to get a FOID card that many people won't bother. They want to shrink the number of legal gun owners in Illinois, and that is all they care about. It will have no impact on anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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