Some questions about DTI

[Kaeghl]

We all pretty much know that when you are stopped for a traffic stop, the LEO will run your plates and know ahead of time that the driver of the car probably has an LTC. It's on the screen when they run your plates.

 

But, how is it done outside of IL? If you are pulled over in say, Montana or Tennessee, and the LEO runs your plates, does their query get routed to the ILL database which will tell them you probably have an LTC?

 

If so, does this constitute fulfilling DTI, if applicable for the State you are driving in?

[Marie]

If you think a cop pulling up on a database that you have a CCL is informing a cop you're carrying, you might want to reconsider.

 

Just because you have a CCL, that doesn't mean you're carrying. Some states require you inform first thing when cop comes to your window.

[Gamma]

No database fulfills a duty to inform. If You have a duty to inform, then YOU must inform.

 

Make a decision how you are going to behave in non-duty to inform states, and come up with some relatively innocuous way to inform if that is your choice and in DTI states.

[Quiet Observer]

I agree with Marie. Also before you visit any state you should check their gun laws. You can search for directly for "[state] gun laws" or use handgunlaw.us . It is one of the useful sites for this purpose. It also has links to the respective state sites.

[InterestedBystander]

No database fulfills a duty to inform. If You have a duty to inform, then YOU must inform.

 

Make a decision how you are going to behave in non-duty to inform states, and come up with some relatively innocuous way to inform if that is your choice and in DTI states.

This.

 

As for out of state inquiries, I seem to recall reading of a national LE network where CCL is reported to and assumed they access that and not an IL database. Perhaps someone who knows can clarify if true.

[cope]

IMO... failure to inform is just plain silly... although I havent been pulled over I have well rehearsed "For your safety and mine I would like to inform you that I am licensed to carry a concealed firearm and am doing so at this time. How would you like to proceed?" .... this is the first statement as soon as an officer approaches my window.... having nothing to hide nor fear I see no logical reason not to inform.... the premise that it violates 5A is just a farce... if you are legal you are legal.... if youre not legal or you have something to hide then you need to protect your 5A... again... just IMO

[DoYouFeelLucky]

I was stopped by a Kansas state patrolman in Kansas City and he knew I had a valid IL FOID and a valid UT concealed carry permit. He also gave me a lecture about not exercising my right to carry while in his state. Somewhat of a refreshing attitude.

[InterestedBystander]

As for out of state inquiries, I seem to recall reading of a national LE network where CCL is reported to and assumed they access that and not an IL database. Perhaps someone who knows can clarify if true.

Apparently a private organization and not a government network

 

NLETS http://www.nlets.org

 

Nlets is the premiere interstate justice and public safety network in the nation for the exchange of law enforcement-, criminal justice-, and public safety-related information. To accomplish this, the Nlets system provides unrivalled reliability based on a network built to endure threats without impacting performance.

 

Nlets, is a private not for profit corporation owned by the States that was created over 45 years ago by the 50 state law enforcement agencies

 

http://wiki.nlets.org/index.php/Section_30:_Concealed_Weapons_Permit_Information

 

This section describes how Nlets users may exchange concealed weapon permit information between state, local and federal law enforcement and criminal justice agencies.

 

The purpose of the Concealed Weapons Permit Information System is to provide a standardized, secure, and efficient method for states that have automated concealed weapon permit (CWR) systems to respond automatically (without manual intervention) to requests (CWQ) from other states over Nlets.

 

Those states without automated systems should respond manually or notify Nlets of their inability to participate (CWR). In these cases, Nlets will return a standard "not available" response.

[soylentgreen]

I've changed my opinion on this. Obviously, when you're in a state where you're not sure of a duty to inform, you should err on the side of safety and inform. But, I've decided that it shows a decency and a courtesy to the officer in states where you're not required to inform when you go ahead and inform anyway. I think most officers appreciate it. I lose nothing by informing....and what I gain is respect from the officer for showing that I care about his safety and having him fully informed.

 

So, my personal policy is to inform always. You may choose a different path and that's up to you. Just make sure you stay legal.

 

Just make sure when you inform, you start with "I'm licensed to carry a concealed weapon. I am carrying now.". Most likely, they'll ask you where it is and to keep your hands away from it. They'll probably also want to see your CCL. Don't open the conversation with "I have a gun". LOL

[Birdhunter1]

An example... I got pulled over for speeding Sunday evening in a small town by a county deputy doing his job. I knew he had me when I saw him hit his brakes to come out of park as the red taillights flashed against a building. I pulled over into a church parking lot before he even hit his red and blue lights and he pulled up behind me.

I had turned on the dome light, back window of my truck was open anyway, and when he approached I handed him my DL and CCL as I apologized for having a brain lapse and not paying attention. First time I had been pulled over for speeding since January of 2005.

When he handed me the ccl back I told him it was on my right hip and I wouldn't be reaching for it. He chuckled and said 'well thats a positive.'

 

A trip to his car then a quick return to my truck he gave me a verbal warning to the tune of;

"Mr. XXXX I appreciate the fact you practice your 2nd Amendment right and choose to protect your family (my two kids were in the truck next to me), but I respond to more speed related vehicle accidents than self defense situations so how about we work on slowing down."

 

 

And the next 20 miles home was at the speed limit.

 

Now, did I have to hand him my CCL? No, not until he asked. But in that guys mind he is on high alert not knowing who he is approaching, not that he will then let his guard down but at least he can say that this is a person whose passed background checks and isn't adjudicated as a mental nut.....

 

Did it help me to get out of a ticket? I don't know, I didn't hand it to him to get out a ticket as I know I was clearly deserving of a citation. I handed it to him so he had one less worry on 'if' I was armed, he now knew I was and legal to do so.... one less thing for him to worry about.

[bmyers]

If the need arises, my plan is to hand driver license and FCCL at the same time. I will then politely answer any questions and follow all instructions.

[BigJim]

I'm too lazy to look up and remember DTI laws by state. So I will automatically inform if pulled over out of state IF I'm carrying. If I'm not carrying I'm not going to say I have a FCCL unless asked.

[quackersmacker]

I'm too lazy to look up and remember DTI laws by state. So I will automatically inform if pulled over out of state IF I'm carrying. If I'm not carrying I'm not going to say I have a FCCL unless asked.

Great practical view, and well said.

[Quiet Observer]

I'm too lazy to look up and remember DTI laws by state. So I will automatically inform if pulled over out of state IF I'm carrying. If I'm not carrying I'm not going to say I have a FCCL unless asked.

 

There are a lot of things to know about gun laws in a state beyond duty to inform e.g. recognition of other states CC permits, gun free zones, if no-guns signs have force of law, to name a few.

[Bubbacs]

There are several threads here about what others have done when been stopped.

Some, say the officer didn't know when at the auto window!

Some have stated that it is automatic when the run the DL.

The local PD Chief says it's not the first thing popping up unless they access leds, I might have that spelled wrong, but you get the idea.

He stated that it's up to the officer in question how much he wants to know about you before he walks up.

 

Also, many here have stated they have had nothing short of a positive response to their informing the officer up front, many, with few exceptions, get a warning and a small conversation about madel, caliber, Etc and then off they go.

 

YMMV

[JTHunter]

I was stopped by a Kansas state patrolman in Kansas City and he knew I had a valid IL FOID and a valid UT concealed carry permit. He also gave me a lecture about not exercising my right to carry while in his state. Somewhat of a refreshing attitude.

 

What bothers me is the bolded statement. Did he give a reason for berating you like that? With the permits you had, WERE you "legal" in Kansas?

[sirflyguy]

I've changed my opinion on this. Obviously, when you're in a state where you're not sure of a duty to inform, you should err on the side of safety and inform. But, I've decided that it shows a decency and a courtesy to the officer in states where you're not required to inform when you go ahead and inform anyway. I think most officers appreciate it. I lose nothing by informing....and what I gain is respect from the officer for showing that I care about his safety and having him fully informed.

 

So, my personal policy is to inform always. You may choose a different path and that's up to you. Just make sure you stay legal.

 

Just make sure when you inform, you start with "I'm licensed to carry a concealed weapon. I am carrying now.". Most likely, they'll ask you where it is and to keep your hands away from it. They'll probably also want to see your CCL. Don't open the conversation with "I have a gun". LOL

I changed my view about this as well. If you just hand the FCCL with your DL, I think it implies that you are carrying, but without having to use the word "weapon" or "gun". My only other comment is that I would not say anything about the firearm. Let them ask. The act of handing the license over is really all that is needed. Just my opinion.

[Quiet Observer]

 

I was stopped by a Kansas state patrolman in Kansas City and he knew I had a valid IL FOID and a valid UT concealed carry permit. He also gave me a lecture about not exercising my right to carry while in his state. Somewhat of a refreshing attitude.

 

What bothers me is the bolded statement. Did he give a reason for berating you like that? With the permits you had, WERE you "legal" in Kansas?

 

 

Kansas recognizes Utah permits.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/kansas.pdf

[DoYouFeelLucky]

 

 

I was stopped by a Kansas state patrolman in Kansas City and he knew I had a valid IL FOID and a valid UT concealed carry permit. He also gave me a lecture about not exercising my right to carry while in his state. Somewhat of a refreshing attitude.

 

What bothers me is the bolded statement. Did he give a reason for berating you like that? With the permits you had, WERE you "legal" in Kansas?

 

 

Kansas recognizes Utah permits.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/kansas.pdf

 

Kansas requires no permit to concealed carry, and open carry is permitted. You just have to be able to legally own a firearm in your state of residence. Kansas also recognizes UT CCW permits. I run around with a gun on my hip most of the time here, and just have to be careful not to cross over into MO while open carrying. If I am in Wal-Mart or other store I can look around and usually see several other people carrying. There are few restrictions here in Kansas. It now feels a little strange when I am back at my place in IL.

 

Kansas law enforcement both local and state level is very pro-carry and pro-citizens exercising their rights. They have citizen's academies here locally to teach citizens how to interact with law enforcement and learn how to support law enforcement if an incident is going down. You soon realize that you are not in IL any more. I have a KS State Patrolman just down the street a few duplexes from where my place is here in KS, and he came down and talked to me and wanted to make sure I understood that I had gun rights here, as he grew up in Lake County IL. We had a great discussion.

[Hazborgufen]

I read your post about being lectured by the cop as him being upset that you weren't carrying at the time even though you were able to. Am I correct? If so, then that is really pro-gun of that cop.

 

If the situation was that you were carrying and the cop was upset that you had the audacity to do so, then the cop was very anti-gun.

 

I'm assuming from context clues that the situation was the former. I think we here in Illinois are so beat down by the political atmosphere that some were reading it as the latter.

[DoYouFeelLucky]

I read your post about being lectured by the cop as him being upset that you weren't carrying at the time even though you were able to. Am I correct? If so, then that is really pro-gun of that cop.

 

If the situation was that you were carrying and the cop was upset that you had the audacity to do so, then the cop was very anti-gun.

 

I'm assuming from context clues that the situation was the former. I think we here in Illinois are so beat down by the political atmosphere that some were reading it as the latter.

His lecture was very good-natured and friendly, so pro-gun. Sorry if that did not come across in my post. I last night walked into one of my favorite BBQ restaurants down here with gun on my hip and a table full of sheriff's motioned me over and wanted to know what gun and holster I was using and we had a good chat about how a lot of people who carry use the cheapest holster and belt they can get and how important that equipment is if you are going to be well prepared. Hank's belts and a DeSantis or Cover 6 Gear holster is the way to go IMHO.

[skinnyb82]

I was gonna say IL participates in NLETS so every LEA in a jurisdiction that uses NLETS has access to the information that IL LEOs have when they conduct a traffic stop.

 

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[Blackcat44]

I have a friend who is an IL State Trooper on the force for 20+ years. His view is don't volunteer unless asked. I can't say I argree 100% with this. I think the way I would handle this would be if I was required to get out of my vehicle and interact I would inform. If I remained in my vehicle I wouldn't unless asked.

[skinnyb82]

I figure...the LEO has verified my identity, knows I have an active CCL. He or she WILL ask if they actually care. Every time I've been stopped, I've been asked if I have any guns, knives, weapons in the vehicle. To the best of my recollection at least. Was asked that last time I was stopped, told the ISP Trooper "Not tonight" and chuckled. He didn't pursue it. Strangely, he was in his probationary period, kid had to be 24 or 25, very 2A friendly.

 

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[AlphaKoncepts aka CGS]

Hand the officer your concealed carry license with your drivers license, this would be at the bare bones minimum of what I would do.

 

The last time I was stopped, I was not asked if I had any weapons. He only asked if I had any warrants.

[aka]

 

As for out of state inquiries, I seem to recall reading of a national LE network where CCL is reported to and assumed they access that and not an IL database. Perhaps someone who knows can clarify if true.

Apparently a private organization and not a government network

 

NLETS http://www.nlets.org

 

Nlets is the premiere interstate justice and public safety network in the nation for the exchange of law enforcement-, criminal justice-, and public safety-related information. To accomplish this, the Nlets system provides unrivalled reliability based on a network built to endure threats without impacting performance.

 

Nlets, is a private not for profit corporation owned by the States that was created over 45 years ago by the 50 state law enforcement agencies

 

http://wiki.nlets.org/index.php/Section_30:_Concealed_Weapons_Permit_Information

 

This section describes how Nlets users may exchange concealed weapon permit information between state, local and federal law enforcement and criminal justice agencies.

 

The purpose of the Concealed Weapons Permit Information System is to provide a standardized, secure, and efficient method for states that have automated concealed weapon permit (CWR) systems to respond automatically (without manual intervention) to requests (CWQ) from other states over Nlets.

 

Those states without automated systems should respond manually or notify Nlets of their inability to participate (CWR). In these cases, Nlets will return a standard "not available" response.

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing this, Very interesting. Seems only about half the states participate actively. Strangely CA does not.

[Porter]

Where does DTI fall when one has a gun in the vehicle, but its unloaded and cased.

 

And the person is not a state resident, but is from a state with no permit required to carry at home?

[Glock23]

Where does DTI fall when one has a gun in the vehicle, but its unloaded and cased.

 

And the person is not a state resident, but is from a state with no permit required to carry at home?

If a cop asks if there are any weapons in tbe vehicle, it would be wise to be honest and tell them, regardless of whether or not they are loaded, cased, etc.

[soundguy]

DTI. For the first time ever, Secret Service asked if we had guns in the car before the vehicle sweep at the Trump Convention.

[spec5]

DTI. For the first time ever, Secret Service asked if we had guns in the car before the vehicle sweep at the Trump Convention.

Well did you? People want to know.