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#1 Reeko

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:07 PM

Hi, I am looking at a first time rifle. I have always liked ak47's as I am eastern European. Issue is my budget is 800. I have narrowed my choices down to 3 guns as I cannot afford the polish ak variant. Please let me know your opinion. I will include pictures of the norinco bwk 92. 1. Wasr 10 for 740 delivered 2. Norinco BWK 92 84s 760 delivered 3. M&p 15 Moe mid for 750 delivered Thanks dca4e977270d5a5a0a2aca002767b923.jpg447a5b8850dbbcf9baaf374c328aa658.jpg Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:21 PM

Wasr all day long

Century arms do one, but the furniture isn’t great

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:39 PM

Wasr all day long
Century arms do one, but the furniture isnât great

Really, the wasr over the m&p and norinco? You are the first person to tell me so. Everyone has tried to push me towards the norinco. I myself was leaning towards the mid moe because it normally sells @1k whereas the wasr 10 price is high. Thanks

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:10 PM

 

Wasr all day long
Century arms do one, but the furniture isnât great

Really, the wasr over the m&p and norinco? You are the first person to tell me so. Everyone has tried to push me towards the norinco. I myself was leaning towards the mid moe because it normally sells @1k whereas the wasr 10 price is high. Thanks

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I have an M&P 15, it's a good entry level AR pattern rifle. You could find a better deal if you shopped around a bit online and had it transfered to an FFL in your area.

 

Also, take into account where you live and what the rules of the gun ranges in your area are. For instance, one range up here in Northern IL does not allow AK pattern rifles, some also prohibit steel cased ammo which is commonly used with AK's.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:25 PM

Hi, I am looking at a first time rifle. I have always liked ak47's as I am eastern European. Issue is my budget is 800. I have narrowed my choices down to 3 guns as I cannot afford the polish ak variant. Please let me know your opinion. I will include pictures of the norinco bwk 92. 1. Wasr 10 for 740 delivered 2. Norinco BWK 92 84s 760 delivered 3. M&p 15 Moe mid for 750 delivered Thanks dca4e977270d5a5a0a2aca002767b923.jpg447a5b8850dbbcf9baaf374c328aa658.jpg Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

 

Vepr. Better quality for not much more money.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:27 PM

Hi, I am looking at a first time rifle. I have always liked ak47's as I am eastern European. Issue is my budget is 800. I have narrowed my choices down to 3 guns as I cannot afford the polish ak variant. Please let me know your opinion. I will include pictures of the norinco bwk 92.

1. Wasr 10 for 740 delivered
2. Norinco BWK 92 84s 760 delivered
3. M&p 15 Moe mid for 750 delivered

Thanks
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:28 PM

You are now in...'Merica!

AR15 or go home... ;)



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:38 PM


 

Wasr all day long
Century arms do one, but the furniture isnât great

Really, the wasr over the m&p and norinco? You are the first person to tell me so. Everyone has tried to push me towards the norinco. I myself was leaning towards the mid moe because it normally sells @1k whereas the wasr 10 price is high. Thanks
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I have an M&P 15, it's a good entry level AR pattern rifle. You could find a better deal if you shopped around a bit online and had it transfered to an FFL in your area.
 
Also, take into account where you live and what the rules of the gun ranges in your area are. For instance, one range up here in Northern IL does not allow AK pattern rifles, some also prohibit steel cased ammo which is commonly used with AK's.

The M&p is not the sport model. This is the model specs.

Retails anywhere from 1k-1200. Gat sells it for 1149, I can buy it for 700.


https://www.smith-we...mp-15-moe-mid-0

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• 5R Rifling
• S&W®/Magpul® Co-Branded Lower Receiver
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• M4 - A2 Post Front Sight
• Folding Magpul® MBUS Rear Sights
• Magpul® MOE Stock, Grip, and Handguard
• Magpul® MVG (Vertical Grip)
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• Compatible with most standard AR15 components and accessories

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:40 PM

You are now in...'Merica!
AR15 or go home... ;)

I was born and raised in Chicago, 1st gen. Proud to be American but also still embrace my roots.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:16 PM

The Wasr-10 is a sold budget option. Aside from getting the rare lemon it should hold up just fine over years of use. Don't really know enough about the Noricos to know what they are worth or how good they are.

There's many budget AR options out there. S&W makes good stuff. Their trigger suck though imo. Real gritty and long pulls.  You will want to change that trigger out if you buy it.

That's assuming of course none of this bump stock garbage passes in current form to where replacing a semi automatic trigger on your gun with another semi automatic trigger becomes a felony.

Because apparently that's how far we have fallen in this state.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:53 PM

The Wasr-10 is a sold budget option. Aside from getting the rare lemon it should hold up just fine over years of use. Don't really know enough about the Noricos to know what they are worth or how good they are.
There's many budget AR options out there. S&W makes good stuff. Their trigger suck though imo. Real gritty and long pulls.  You will want to change that trigger out if you buy it.
That's assuming of course none of this bump stock garbage passes in current form to where replacing a semi automatic trigger on your gun with another semi automatic trigger becomes a felony.
Because apparently that's how far we have fallen in this state.

Yes I hear you. To be honest with you, I am a novice gun collector. I only get to the range maybe 6x a year. I have a very wide assortment of handguns, shotguns and a bunch of 22lr rugers/marlins. I just want a reliable rifle that I can have fun shooting. I am not ever going to be driving shots into the same holes, my time/budget just doesn't allow me to get that proficient.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:53 PM

Wow guys, the man wants an AK, don't suggest him a bunch of AR's!

 

A few observations.

 

1) WASR-10's are unbreakable rifles that are absolutely worth the money. In every other way they are terrible to average.

 

2) You should consider getting a Ruger 10/22 as your first rifle. Ammo costs will destroy you if you are on a budget.

 

3) Consider a Yugoslavian Npap. They are probably 100 dollars cheaper than the rifles you have listed and are higher quality.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:24 PM

 

 

A few observations.

 

3) Consider a Yugoslavian Npap. They are probably 100 dollars cheaper than the rifles you have listed and are higher quality.

Serbian now actually as Yugoslavia no longer exists. But I get what you're saying. To me the "Yugos" are also a solid choice but they have a few things working against them imo. They are a little heavier then an AKM pattern because of the thicker barrel and buttstock. They don't really need to be in semi auto and without grenades to launch.

Also because they are unique the options for finding different furniture and accessories are more limited than AKM pattern clones like the Wasr. And the bore is not chrome lined on the Yugos. All these things may or may not matter to you though. Still a nice rifle for the money.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:29 PM

 

The Wasr-10 is a sold budget option. Aside from getting the rare lemon it should hold up just fine over years of use. Don't really know enough about the Noricos to know what they are worth or how good they are.
There's many budget AR options out there. S&W makes good stuff. Their trigger suck though imo. Real gritty and long pulls.  You will want to change that trigger out if you buy it.
That's assuming of course none of this bump stock garbage passes in current form to where replacing a semi automatic trigger on your gun with another semi automatic trigger becomes a felony.
Because apparently that's how far we have fallen in this state.

Yes I hear you. To be honest with you, I am a novice gun collector. I only get to the range maybe 6x a year. I have a very wide assortment of handguns, shotguns and a bunch of 22lr rugers/marlins. I just want a reliable rifle that I can have fun shooting. I am not ever going to be driving shots into the same holes, my time/budget just doesn't allow me to get that proficient.



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Yeah I understand that. I think that's where most Americans fall on the scale of gun ownership these days.

You won't have to worry about lack of training and hitting the same hole with any of these rifles. They are built to hit man sized targets out to about 300-400 yards, not really made for chasing the MOA. AKs for sure and most ARs will give you about 1.5- 2 MOA on a good day. Unless you really drop some serious coin on an AR. Good luck whatever you choose.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:39 AM

Wow guys, the man wants an AK, don't suggest him a bunch of AR's!
 
A few observations.
 
1) WASR-10's are unbreakable rifles that are absolutely worth the money. In every other way they are terrible to average.
 
2) You should consider getting a Ruger 10/22 as your first rifle. Ammo costs will destroy you if you are on a budget.
 
3) Consider a Yugoslavian Npap. They are probably 100 dollars cheaper than the rifles you have listed and are higher quality.

2. I already own a ruger 10/22 itac version and marlin.

Right now i am leaning towards the Smith and Wesson mid moe model as they just seem to be at a great price. It's basically only 100 more than the sport, has a 1/8 barrel with 5r and mid length gas system. I have another ak I am looking at, but it's dependant on if the guy responds.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:59 AM

Wow guys, the man wants an AK, don't suggest him a bunch of AR's!
 
A few observations.
 
1) WASR-10's are unbreakable rifles that are absolutely worth the money. In every other way they are terrible to average.
 
2) You should consider getting a Ruger 10/22 as your first rifle. Ammo costs will destroy you if you are on a budget.
 
3) Consider a Yugoslavian Npap. They are probably 100 dollars cheaper than the rifles you have listed and are higher quality.

2. I already own a ruger 10/22 itac version and marlin.

Right now i am leaning towards the Smith and Wesson mid moe model as they just seem to be at a great price. It's basically only 100 more than the sport, has a 1/8 barrel with 5r and mid length gas system. I have another ak I am looking at, but it's dependant on if the guy responds.

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Things change fast. Just think I got a great deal on an ak47. Once sale is final, I will update the thread with information.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 04:33 AM

 

 

Wow guys, the man wants an AK, don't suggest him a bunch of AR's!
 
A few observations.
 
1) WASR-10's are unbreakable rifles that are absolutely worth the money. In every other way they are terrible to average.
 
2) You should consider getting a Ruger 10/22 as your first rifle. Ammo costs will destroy you if you are on a budget.
 
3) Consider a Yugoslavian Npap. They are probably 100 dollars cheaper than the rifles you have listed and are higher quality.

2. I already own a ruger 10/22 itac version and marlin.

Right now i am leaning towards the Smith and Wesson mid moe model as they just seem to be at a great price. It's basically only 100 more than the sport, has a 1/8 barrel with 5r and mid length gas system. I have another ak I am looking at, but it's dependant on if the guy responds.

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Things change fast. Just think I got a great deal on an ak47. Once sale is final, I will update the thread with information.

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Well since you bought an AK my suggestion is out. Right before the LV thing I bought this S&W for $439 + a $20 FFL transfer fee.

Basically $460. For $100 in Mapul furniture except for Vertical Grip (not a big fan) I am at $560. 

https://www.smith-we...agpul-moe-m-lok

One of the main reasons was S&Ws warranty, I have never had an issue with any S&W that broke.

As a matter of fact when I was playing with it I noticed a burr on the charging handle.

I called S&W and they had a new one to my house in four days.

Basically the only major differences are the Vertical Grip and the Hand Guard.

Its all black and says M&P on it and not Magpul.

My neighbor bought a Ruger AR-556 for $600, threw a BUNCH of things into it and the S&W is FAR more accurate with XM193.

He's at $1300 and the S&W is overall a more accurate and reliable rifle.

I have had ONE FTF and am sure that was the ammo.

The trigger does stink at first but when you get some rounds threw it, it does smooth out.

I would have bought the S&W for $700 but AKs are OK. Have fun with it.



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Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:35 AM

Wow guys, the man wants an AK, don't suggest him a bunch of AR's! 

I hear ya'...and yet, his initial list was composed of two AK variants and an AR (unless S&W started making an MP15 MOE variant built on an AK patern). One of the reasons I have not chimed in until now was because, based on that, I couldn't figure out what he really wanted. It's like if I were to say, which Japanese car should I buy? A Honda Civic, a Toyota Corolla, or a Chevy Cruze? Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:41 AM

Coulda-shoulda-woulda memories. Had I recognized how quickly the prices were going to soar I'd have bought an SKS and an AK style for less $$$ than they are getting for just the AK these days.

 

I'm still searching for that mythical low cost C&R SKS to add to my safe. Yea, good luck with that - lol



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Posted 14 March 2018 - 03:48 PM

I have been surprised at the prices on the ak as well. Much higher than I anticipated them to be. Either way, if I get this deal completed and shipped, I think I will have done well. I appreciate everyone's advice and I will post some pictures once the deal is final. Thanks Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:20 PM

Good choice. People are pretty divided on AR's VS AK's. Everyone should own at least one of each, but I like my AK platform better.

Now that you have an AK buy a AR lower and put it together one piece at a time.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:31 PM

Thanks, it's not final yet. Got my FFL to the guy, he is gonna mail on Friday and I will pay tomorrow once he has a chance to make a bill of sale. Just crossing off all the checklists while buying from a private seller. Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:04 PM

Alright, deal is done and rifle has been shipped to my FFL! I found a DDR East German Ak47 that came with 8 magazines and a damage industries muzzle brake for an amazing price. Total with all fees for shipping and FFL I was at 780. I am excited as it was a safe queen with only 200 rds fired. Now I need some ammunition, I have found 1000rd boxes for 189 on ammunitionstore and sgammo was 199. Is there anything locally (northern Illinois) close to that price? My LGS was double that price. Maybe I will wait to see if a member tries to unload some surplus. These were the listing photos7eca0a9361da2ef9236c8d1a979fc520.jpga8086da7ade3c28f8c438d2c574b12c2.jpg Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:28 PM

Coulda-shoulda-woulda memories. Had I recognized how quickly the prices were going to soar I'd have bought an SKS and an AK style for less $$$ than they are getting for just the AK these days.
 
I'm still searching for that mythical low cost C&R SKS to add to my safe. Yea, good luck with that - lol


I got my SKS 15 years ago from a pawn for $180 otd. Included a 30 round mag. I have more into the bolt ons than I have into the rifle. Still one of my favorite rifles to plink with.

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:42 PM

On Target in Crystal Lake doesn't beat you up too bad on steel case AK ammo. Not a place to stock up, but if you want a quick fix on the range it's worth it.

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:54 PM

On Target in Crystal Lake doesn't beat you up too bad on steel case AK ammo. Not a place to stock up, but if you want a quick fix on the range it's worth it.

Thanks, I called there and they were about 360 per thousand rds before tax. Almost 40 cents a round. I will keep looking

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 08:21 PM

Darn, they used to sell TulAmmo 40 round boxes for around $10.

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 05:20 AM

I have good success ordering from outdoorlimited.com. Shoot many calibers and they seem pretty good on all of them.

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 10:10 AM

I use targetsportsusa.com. Never had a problem, and free shipping on bulk.



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Posted 17 March 2018 - 02:44 PM

So I just picked up my AK. Everything looks great. All numbers matching DDR East German Parts kit by Atlantic Firearms. If there is a negative its that the magazines are Korean, but at least there are 8 of them. I will have to pick up some eastern mags. The rifle is clean, numbers match and I only paid 725 for the entire package, 780 once all ffl fees and shipping was added. Also it came with a damage industries muzzle brake.e80be0b6d36bd37337a77859289c3c91.jpg630274b39da0ca3f3a9295d3df64d877.jpg Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk




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