chip Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:20 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:20 PM Just a suggestion: Why not have them migrate a copy of the antiquated system onto a new one with updated capability and test functionality parallel to the old one until the new one can have acceptance testing done on it?? Being that, it's a legacy system, I'm sure they know all its functional capabilities.......which can be passed along to the new engineers. because the flux capacitor is on the fritz Will someone please track down "the fritz" and get the flux capacitor back to where it belongs!I can't believe there's been ZERO instructor approvals since Wednesday when Larry was approved 4 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM Ok, Sen LaHood called me within 45 minutes of my email! Although he shares our frustration, he reiterated that the state has no money to implement this and therefore the manpower and technology to move at an acceptable pace is simply not there. He also said that they are intentionally moving at a slow, deliberate pace, apparently to ensure that the background checks are accurate...? Why did we pay $55-60 for Livescan if the ISP is going to take all this time to do background checks anyway...?They have no money and yet they commited $26 Million dollars to an out of state vendor when an in state vender could have made a custom solution for less if given the opportunity to bid. I did not know that ILLINOIS regarded that $26 Million as no money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:25 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:25 PM Ok, Sen LaHood called me within 45 minutes of my email! Although he shares our frustration, he reiterated that the state has no money to implement this and therefore the manpower and technology to move at an acceptable pace is simply not there. He also said that they are intentionally moving at a slow, deliberate pace, apparently to ensure that the background checks are accurate...? Why did we pay $55-60 for Livescan if the ISP is going to take all this time to do background checks anyway...?They have no money and yet they commited $26 Million dollars to an out of state vendor when an in state vender could have made a custom solution for less if given the opportunity to bid. I did not know that ILLINOIS regarded that $26 Million as no money.They had to go out of state to find someone willing to take a check and not expect it to bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:29 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:29 PM Ok, Sen LaHood called me within 45 minutes of my email! Although he shares our frustration, he reiterated that the state has no money to implement this and therefore the manpower and technology to move at an acceptable pace is simply not there. He also said that they are intentionally moving at a slow, deliberate pace, apparently to ensure that the background checks are accurate...? Why did we pay $55-60 for Livescan if the ISP is going to take all this time to do background checks anyway...?They have no money and yet they commited $26 Million dollars to an out of state vendor when an in state vender could have made a custom solution for less if given the opportunity to bid. I did not know that ILLINOIS regarded that $26 Million as no money. This is NOT a matter of not having money. It is estimated that there are 200,000 to 300,000 people waiting to submit their applications.At $150 per application this is $30,000,000 to $45,000,000 that State of Illinois is NOT bringing in by their foot dragging. This is Quinn putting ideology before the inevitable and throwing away tens of millions of dollars in revenue. How sad is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Eagle Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:30 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:30 PM Will someone please track down "the fritz" and get the flux capacitor back to where it belongs!I can't believe there's been ZERO instructor approvals since Wednesday when Larry was approved 4 times. I aws thinking if they'd left the 4 Larry's it might be easier and quicker to legally change my name to Larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ming Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:32 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:32 PM I can't believe there's been ZERO instructor approvals since Wednesday when Larry was approved 4 times. Maybe Larry is really good. I'm attempting humor but only to hide the frustration that we're all feeling. This whole thing is a lot more screwed up than I was initially willing to admit to myself. I was ready to accept that some minor computer glitches were the problem, but after reading Todd's post I see that this is not the case. I once told a younger colleague that he should never do exceptionally well on a assignment he didn't like, for otherwise he would be stuck doing it forever. He claims it was the best advice he ever received. Looks like ISP is following this advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vezpa Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM I can't believe there's been ZERO instructor approvals since Wednesday when Larry was approved 4 times. http://images.zap2it.com/celebs/v3/AllPhotos/297515/297515_v3_ba/larry-the-cable-guy.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Eagle Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:50 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:50 PM Larry is the poster boy for the incompetence and absurdity in the Illinois instructor approval process in forever now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POAT54 Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM We need to flush this carry law and start over doing this the right way. We are the last state to implement carry and it seems we are trying to reinvent the wheel. .Great idea, just what jello was hoping for. Lee goodieshoes has been watching for. New "may not" law. Or we can hang in there and follow the leadership that got us this far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRApistol Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:08 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:08 PM http://www.peako.com/bowl-of-larries.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ming Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:10 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:10 PM http://www.peako.com/bowl-of-larries.jpg LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgmeyer Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:24 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:24 PM Somebody wants an idea.....let us prepay our $150.... Give us a paypal transaction number to be used later like a credit card.... There, their money issue is over.... next excuse please.... I would agree to a non-refundable "deposit" in a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:53 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:53 PM We are the last state to implement carry and it seems we are trying to reinvent the wheel. We have to since the wheels in the other 49 states dont spin round and round like they do here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM Illinois department of procrastination and redundancy department.....fixed that for ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhawk99 Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM Thanks again Todd for all your efforts keeping us updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM Is it any surprise that the organization that has been actively against the concept of concealed carry in Illinois is dragging their feet and screwing it up? Who the heck thought it would be a good idea to involve the ISP in this process in the first place? The term "dragging their feet" implies an intentional delay in implementing the law. We do not believe there is an intentional delay. Involving the ISP as the licensing agency was a combination of the IDPR refusing and the IDNR (dept. of natural resources) refusing and threatening to lobby against the law if involved. How much of a background check is needed? Are they contacting their grade school teachers to investigate every person? Isn't there a national instant background check already in place? How do states with less money and resources, like Kentucky, manage to have a system that runs like a clock? Please go back and read this entire update to find the answer to these questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Eagle Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM Share Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM Thanks again Todd for all your efforts keeping us updated. Now there's one thing I think we can all agree on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:00 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:00 AM We are the last state to implement carry and it seems we are trying to reinvent the wheel. We have to since the wheels in the other 49 states dont spin round and round like they do here.Actually I think its because the wheels in other states roll and move forward. IL has to invent a wheel that doesn't roll so they can keep us disarmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azone5 Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:04 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:04 AM We are the last state to implement carry and it seems we are trying to reinvent the wheel. We have to since the wheels in the other 49 states dont spin round and round like they do here.Actually I think its because the wheels in other states roll and move forward. IL has to invent a wheel that doesn't roll so they can keep us disarmed Our wheel spins in place and never goes anywhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:10 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:10 AM Time to make the donuts......in the parking lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGF Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:52 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:52 AM As much as I respect Molly B and appreciate ALL of her work on our behalf, I must agree with Jake8267: "If their people can't get it done quickly they need to bring in people who can." I also think we should communicate with legislators at every opportunity. If the governor, the speaker or the president of the Senate gave a hoot, this would get solved exponentially faster, IMO. But we are not their kind of people. Best we can hope for, IMO, is to get the rank-and-file G.A. membership to give the leaders such a PITA that they get interested and start poking about. Governor Quinn or Director Grau? They're not going to acknowledge a problem, let alone take responsibility for it, IMO. While the Legislature has no direct hand on this switch, it not without influence. The governor's favorite causes can be held in committee, his appointments rejected, etc. Few people north of I-64 probably noticed, but when the governor let three members of the SIU board run out their terms and appointed three new members without talking to anyone, his appointees got rejected in the Senate without a single vote in their favor. A few Metro East legislators, with Cullerton's assent or at least non-opposition, just burned the gov's effort to the ground. He got his butt to the negotiating table about then, I wanna tell ya. His attention can be gained. He just needs smacked up the head by a legislative 2x4. (A metahpor...I am not advocating anyone striking the governor.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:57 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:57 AM I don't understand why they wouldn't seek out opinions from the NRA, the largest known entity dedicated towards gun safety, on how to proceed. It's true, people in Illinois really are retarded, and it's contagious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googe1227 Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:04 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:04 AM I was going to suggest reaching out to the state run media to see if they would be interested in getting a story or two out there. Oh, never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGF Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:04 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:04 AM Pat Quinn, Hiram Grau, Michael Madigan and John Cullerton seeking out and peaking to the NRA?ROTFLMAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJSum1 Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:05 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:05 AM I don't understand why they wouldn't seek out opinions from the NRA, the largest known entity dedicated towards gun safety, on how to proceed. It's true, people in Illinois really are retarded, and it's contagious. Rhetorical i presume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGF Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:05 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:05 AM I was going to suggest reaching out to the media to see if they would be interested in getting a story or two out there. Oh, never mind. Eh, there may be a downstate newspaper running a column on its op ed page soon. No promises, but I'll see what I can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGF Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:06 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:06 AM Larry broke it."Do you see what happens, Larry? Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googe1227 Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:12 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:12 AM I was going to suggest reaching out to the media to see if they would be interested in getting a story or two out there. Oh, never mind. Eh, there may be a downstate newspaper running a column on its op ed page soon. No promises, but I'll see what I can do.I forgot "state run" in the original to refer to the Chicago hacks up here. Went back and fixed that. Any kind of positive press attention, no matter where it comes from, which focuses on the plight of these instructors and the ineptness of the ISP is worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubarud Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:17 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:17 AM Larry broke it."Do you see what happens, Larry? Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?" Are you watching Larry? This is what happens when you find a stranger in the alps. We're too late Walt! The kid already spent the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGF Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:23 AM Share Posted September 17, 2013 at 01:23 AM Oh, if I get the green light for a signed column, there will be dang little positive about it. Bottm line question for ISP: "Y'all unable or unwilling?"Sorry, but that's what it comes down to.My app will probably get approved when hades freezes over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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