Uncle Harley Posted March 21, 2014 at 04:22 AM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 04:22 AM didn't vote because there was not a straight yes. No need for a case by case basis, if they are not criminals, they should be able to get one if they find the means end of story. I have a friend, ( not in this state) that was homeless by choice for 2 yrs in order pay down debt and become debt free. He lived in the back of a van in a different parking lot every night. He had a really good paying job that he wore a suit and tie to every day. He had a PO Box for mail and a $200 yearly membership to a gym where he worked out and showered before work each day. Nobody knew he was homeless, except for a few friends he told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted March 21, 2014 at 11:54 AM Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 11:54 AM Homeless people are unable to obtain FOID cards due to not having an address and are an entire class of citizens that are having their rights violated. There should either be an exemption for homeless needing to have a FOID card or some means of providing them with one especially since many may be homeless due to foreclosure and/or job loss. The homeless people will be victimized by the mandatory minimums since they have no way of possessing a firearm for protection without becoming a felon. The UUW and FOID is the very definition of entrapment for the homeless trying to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. Suppose a lawful gun owner with a valid FOID card is forced out of his home. Should this newly homeless gun owner be arrested for possession while homeless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt555gs Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM Is it a right or a privilege? Answer this question and you answer both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:08 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:08 PM I think it is mostly a moot point. Most homeless people are not legally going top be able to own firearms anyway. Those that can are probably going to be selling whatever possessions they have including firearms. The few that might be able to legally own firearms and can also afford to keep one or more are going to have a tough time logistically even if they could get a FOID card. The reality is that state ID cards can be issued to homeless based on some address of convenience. My guess is that if a homeless person wanted to get a FOID card he could if he used the address on his state ID card. If the ISP denied it based solely on his lack of a permanent address, my guess is a court would order it issued. It is an issue for either the legislature or the courts to decide. My preference would be for the courts to make that decision. You keep bringing this up. Get an otherwise qualified homeless person to apply. It will only cost you $10. See what happens. Take it to court if it is denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carry Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:09 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:09 PM A member of the militia may not necessarily have a homestead. Voted yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCityGuy Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM If a person does not have a place to safely secure a weapon when sleeping then they shouldn't be carrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted March 21, 2014 at 01:11 PM Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 01:11 PM @ windycityguyThey can use those free gun locks and have it holstered to their body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Harley Posted March 21, 2014 at 01:21 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 01:21 PM If a person does not have a place to safely secure a weapon when sleeping then they shouldn't be carrying. people get crap stolen out of their homes while they are sleeping all the time , should everyone who doesn't have a pay per month alarm system not be able to have them as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownButNotOut Posted March 21, 2014 at 04:22 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 04:22 PM A vast majority of homeless folks suffer physiological conditions OR they use drugs ( meth, crack, etc . ) which alters their perception of reality. Those 2 things would prevent them from meeting the conditions to obtaining a FOID. I would hate to be shot by a homeless person high on crack, meth, etc. because they think I'm the devil or some mythical creature trying to take their soul or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted March 21, 2014 at 04:39 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 04:39 PM If they can pony up the $10 for a FOID then fine. I do not support GIVING them a FREE FOID because they are homeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:05 PM Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:05 PM A vast majority of homeless folks suffer physiological conditions OR they use drugs ( meth, crack, etc . ) which alters their perception of reality. Those 2 things would prevent them from meeting the conditions to obtaining a FOID. I would hate to be shot by a homeless person high on crack, meth, etc. because they think I'm the devil or some mythical creature trying to take their soul or something.Than screen them for drugs including testing their hair for signs of long term drug use. If no signs of drug use present and they are not a prohibited person than they should be able to own firearms since not allowing any homeless their rights is inconsistent with their rights as ruled by Heller and Mcdonald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:13 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:13 PM There's already been a thread about a subject like this, but for the FCCL. Please use the search function. Furthermore, and speaking as a former homeless person (Aug 1995-Sept 1997), if you are homeless you aren't going to worry about spending money on anything firearm related. That money is headed elsewhere, like food, clothing, shelter (if possible), etc. Threads like this one are simply ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:23 PM Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:23 PM There's already been a thread about a subject like this, but for the FCCL. Please use the search function. Furthermore, and speaking as a former homeless person (Aug 1995-Sept 1997), if you are homeless you aren't going to worry about spending money on anything firearm related. That money is headed elsewhere, like food, clothing, shelter (if possible), etc. Threads like this one are simply ridiculous.I disagree especially since a homeless person in a rural area would be able to kill an animal for food to survive. Maybe the homeless person should not be allowed a fishing pole without a FOID card that way they will find it equally as hard to fish as it is to hunt by depriving them of the tools to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:33 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:33 PM If they can pony up the $10 for a FOID then fine. I do not support GIVING them a FREE FOID because they are homeless. How about free FOID for everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownButNotOut Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:36 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:36 PM A vast majority of homeless folks suffer physiological conditions OR they use drugs ( meth, crack, etc . ) which alters their perception of reality. Those 2 things would prevent them from meeting the conditions to obtaining a FOID. I would hate to be shot by a homeless person high on crack, meth, etc. because they think I'm the devil or some mythical creature trying to take their soul or something.Than screen them for drugs including testing their hair for signs of long term drug use. If no signs of drug use present and they are not a prohibited person than they should be able to own firearms since not allowing any homeless their rights is inconsistent with their rights as ruled by Heller and Mcdonald. I'm not opposed ( neutral ), just making an observation. However, who gets the bill for testing? What is the definition of long term in this case, what happens if they relapse after being sober? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:50 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:50 PM There's already been a thread about a subject like this, but for the FCCL. Please use the search function. Furthermore, and speaking as a former homeless person (Aug 1995-Sept 1997), if you are homeless you aren't going to worry about spending money on anything firearm related. That money is headed elsewhere, like food, clothing, shelter (if possible), etc. Threads like this one are simply ridiculous.I disagree especially since a homeless person in a rural area would be able to kill an animal for food to survive. Maybe the homeless person should not be allowed a fishing pole without a FOID card that way they will find it equally as hard to fish as it is to hunt by depriving them of the tools to do so.What did I say? I said, "... if you are homeless you aren't going to worry about spending money on anything firearm related." I did not say anything about denying the homeless person(s) a right. The reality of the situation is this: If it isn't something that can be easily obtained from a handout, it is likely to be stolen. Theft is a guarantee to a warm bed, free food, clean clothes, and a roof over their head. Now, what good is a FOID Card when they are in jail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:52 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 05:52 PM A vast majority of homeless folks suffer physiological conditions OR they use drugs ( meth, crack, etc . ) which alters their perception of reality. Those 2 things would prevent them from meeting the conditions to obtaining a FOID. I would hate to be shot by a homeless person high on crack, meth, etc. because they think I'm the devil or some mythical creature trying to take their soul or something.Than screen them for drugs including testing their hair for signs of long term drug use. If no signs of drug use present and they are not a prohibited person than they should be able to own firearms since not allowing any homeless their rights is inconsistent with their rights as ruled by Heller and Mcdonald. Screen them for drugs? Worried about hunting for food and taking away fishing poles? How did they get a hunting or fishing license? (Which without either, their equipment WOULD be taken) Cmon. The responses are getting worse and worse here. First of all, from an earlier post about a foid holder becoming homeless, why would they lose anything? Just because they no longer live at that address does not mean their foid gets pulled. Of course a homeless person that otherwise is qualified to obtain a foid should be able to. What the hey!!! kind of question is that? They give drivers licenses to illegals for god sake. They would have to have an address to mail it to. If they're that concerned with obtaining a foid, they'd find a way. I agree with Domin8. This is dumb. Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted March 21, 2014 at 06:25 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 06:25 PM Can we start a subforum for ridiculous hypotheticals? Something easy to ignore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCroskey Posted March 21, 2014 at 06:31 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 06:31 PM Simply being homeless should never prevent someone from exercising a constitutional right. Other issues (drug abuse, mental illness, etc.) should be reviewed on a case by case basis. This is similar to the points brought up that the excessive FOID and CCW fees prevent the poor from exercising their rights. It's not a crime to be poor or to be homeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted March 21, 2014 at 06:33 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 06:33 PM I think it is mostly a moot point. Most homeless people are not legally going top be able to own firearms anyway. Those that can are probably going to be selling whatever possessions they have including firearms.. I have my FOID and my CCL. What if I became homeless in June. Lost my income. Lost my house. Waiting 4 years to get Social Security. Can't afford to rent or stay anywhere. Sell all my stuff plus all but one of my guns. Should I not be allowed to Keep or Bear because I no longer have an address? Seems like being constantly closer to at risk situations heightens the need for personal armed security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted March 21, 2014 at 07:34 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 07:34 PM If a petition were started to repeal the FOID Act you would only need as many signatures as the equivalent to 2% of the total number of the people that voted in the last general election to get a repeal on the ballot for the next election. If you're so butthurt about the FOID Act possibly alienating a segment of the population, why don't you do something about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilphil Posted March 21, 2014 at 07:45 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 07:45 PM If they can pony up the $10 for a FOID then fine. I do not support GIVING them a FREE FOID because they are homeless. How about free FOID for everyone?How about do away with the bleeping thing altogether?There you go...problem solved. Yes...I realize that isn't going to happen in this hopeless nanny state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protean Posted March 21, 2014 at 08:09 PM Share Posted March 21, 2014 at 08:09 PM didn't vote because there was not a straight yes. No need for a case by case basis, if they are not criminals, they should be able to get one if they find the means end of story. I have a friend, ( not in this state) that was homeless by choice for 2 yrs in order pay down debt and become debt free. He lived in the back of a van in a different parking lot every night. He had a really good paying job that he wore a suit and tie to every day. He had a PO Box for mail and a $200 yearly membership to a gym where he worked out and showered before work each day. Nobody knew he was homeless, except for a few friends he told.very determined fellow. I applaud his determination to be debt free! Hopefully he reached his goal. Since he lived frugally. He should be able to save money now? even with a physical residence, since he has the experience. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Harley Posted March 22, 2014 at 01:48 AM Share Posted March 22, 2014 at 01:48 AM didn't vote because there was not a straight yes. No need for a case by case basis, if they are not criminals, they should be able to get one if they find the means end of story. I have a friend, ( not in this state) that was homeless by choice for 2 yrs in order pay down debt and become debt free. He lived in the back of a van in a different parking lot every night. He had a really good paying job that he wore a suit and tie to every day. He had a PO Box for mail and a $200 yearly membership to a gym where he worked out and showered before work each day. Nobody knew he was homeless, except for a few friends he told.very determined fellow. I applaud his determination to be debt free! Hopefully he reached his goal. Since he lived frugally. He should be able to save money now? even with a physical residence, since he has the experience. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Haven't talked to him in yrs he was the prepper type long before it was cool, his plan was to build a small cabin off the grid and pay cash to build I'm sure he has accomplished his goals Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Posted March 22, 2014 at 07:10 AM Share Posted March 22, 2014 at 07:10 AM I think it is mostly a moot point. Most homeless people are not legally going top be able to own firearms anyway. Those that can are probably going to be selling whatever possessions they have including firearms.. I have my FOID and my CCL. What if I became homeless in June. Lost my income. Lost my house. Waiting 4 years to get Social Security. Can't afford to rent or stay anywhere. Sell all my stuff plus all but one of my guns. Should I not be allowed to Keep or Bear because I no longer have an address? Seems like being constantly closer to at risk situations heightens the need for personal armed security. If you move you are required to report your new address to the state to get your state ID card changed. And your FOID card. And your FCCL. That is part of existing law. You can't get past that short of some court or legislative action. I think you can get the fee waived for the state ID on the basis of homelessness, but not the FOID or FCCL address change fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckfarrack Posted March 22, 2014 at 08:10 AM Share Posted March 22, 2014 at 08:10 AM A vast majority of homeless folks suffer physiological conditions OR they use drugs ( meth, crack, etc . ) which alters their perception of reality. Those 2 things would prevent them from meeting the conditions to obtaining a FOID. I would hate to be shot by a homeless person high on crack, meth, etc. because they think I'm the devil or some mythical creature trying to take their soul or something. Don't have 2B homelees. "I am the Son of Satan,and i am here to kill you" Check THIS out! This happened at the Hall brothers Monster truck farmhouse you can see from I-57 just north of Champaign. http://www.news-gaze...acks-woman.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarandFan Posted March 24, 2014 at 09:02 AM Share Posted March 24, 2014 at 09:02 AM Poll: should law abiding homeless be allowed firearms on a case by case basis?Should the homeless be allowed their 2nd amendment rights? So which question are asking? Both? The answer to the first question is negative. The answer to the second question is affirmative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted March 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM Share Posted March 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM I think it is mostly a moot point. Most homeless people are not legally going top be able to own firearms anyway. Those that can are probably going to be selling whatever possessions they have including firearms.. I have my FOID and my CCL. What if I became homeless in June. Lost my income. Lost my house. Waiting 4 years to get Social Security. Can't afford to rent or stay anywhere. Sell all my stuff plus all but one of my guns. Should I not be allowed to Keep or Bear because I no longer have an address? Seems like being constantly closer to at risk situations heightens the need for personal armed security. If you move you are required to report your new address to the state to get your state ID card changed. And your FOID card. And your FCCL. That is part of existing law. You can't get past that short of some court or legislative action. I think you can get the fee waived for the state ID on the basis of homelessness, but not the FOID or FCCL address change fees. This I know. There SHOULD be an option without a lawsuit... How could a homeless person with only one gun afford to sue? On the other hand, how would they take my FOID/CCL if they could not find me at my address... There should be a way. Those with no income shouldn't lose a constitutional right. We need 50 state constitutional carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted March 24, 2014 at 02:19 PM Share Posted March 24, 2014 at 02:19 PM The fact that a homeless person can not acquire a FOID card opens the door to a legal challenge that could cause the end of the FOID act. That would be cool. I do not hope to become homeless... I will maintain access to IC if I ever do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted March 24, 2014 at 04:39 PM Share Posted March 24, 2014 at 04:39 PM If a person does not have a place to safely secure a weapon when sleeping then they shouldn't be carrying. Should disarm the military then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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