kwc Posted January 17, 2017 at 06:59 PM Share Posted January 17, 2017 at 06:59 PM Does anyone have any insight regarding the effectiveness of this technology, and/or the legal issues surrounding its use? http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/17/orlando-nightclubs-deploy-radar-technology-to-detect-weapons.html Some nightclubs in Orlando are looking to deploy radar-based weapons detection technology in the aftermath of last year's deadly mass shooting at gay nightclub Pulse. Weapons detection specialist Patriot One Technologies announced on Tuesday that it is partnering with VGroup Concepts to launch a ‘Safe Districts’ initiative. VGroup Concepts is parent company to several restaurants and clubs in Orlando, including now-shuttered Pulse. Pulse was targeted in a deadly attack on June 12, 2016, when a gunman opened fire, killing 49 club goers and wounding 53 more. A major challenge for locations such as schools, clubs and stadiums, is that they often have limited security, making them ‘soft targets,’ according to Patriot One Technologies. The partnership with VGroup Concepts aims to boost safety at Orlando venues via the company's NForce CMR 1000 detection system. The NForce CMR 1000 can be installed in hallways and doorways. It uses microwave radar technology to detect concealed metal. Once detected, the metallic content is sent to a database and analyzed against known guns, knives, suicide vests and other weapons. If the material is found to be threatening, security is alerted. Patriot One Technologies CEO Martin Cronin, said in a press release, "Our number-one goal at Patriot One is to offer a solution that works with today's security professionals to help deter, detect and defend against active threats of violence on innocent citizens everywhere.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted January 17, 2017 at 07:03 PM Share Posted January 17, 2017 at 07:03 PM I may be mistaken, the issue in the night club shooting was NOT detecting the shooter, but stopping the shooter. Fairly sure since he started shooting on his way into the building this radar system would of been of very little value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdm45aaron Posted January 17, 2017 at 07:16 PM Share Posted January 17, 2017 at 07:16 PM I may be mistaken, the issue in the night club shooting was NOT detecting the shooter, but stopping the shooter. Fairly sure since he started shooting on his way into the building this radar system would of been of very little value.Kind of like those commercials where the bank is getting robbed and the people look at the guard and say "aren't you going to do something?" Then he replies, "I'm just a monitor I only tell you when there's a problem......there's a problem." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdm45aaron Posted January 17, 2017 at 07:22 PM Share Posted January 17, 2017 at 07:22 PM On a side note, I was in Louisiana last week and they were talking on the radio about how New Orleans was looking into cameras that would be able to detect firearms. It sounds like something similar here although it would be used on the streets instead of just one venue. A lot of people who called in to the radio station didn't think it was a legitimate or effective solution. http://www.officer.com/news/12294596/new-orleans-eyes-cameras-that-can-spot-guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted January 17, 2017 at 07:42 PM Share Posted January 17, 2017 at 07:42 PM What good is a system without enforcement? Just like these wonderful stickers we have around here, they don't stop anyone. What stops people are consequences. A person intent on destruction is only stopped by acute lead poisoning, usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted January 17, 2017 at 09:13 PM Share Posted January 17, 2017 at 09:13 PM I wouldn't want stock in that company when the first cancer lawsuit is filed probably won't fly for a occasional patron but long term exposure for an employee is going to get very ugly. I mean really we have people filing lawsuits because they don't want their water or is it gas meter read remotely. I believe it could detect metal but metallic content close enough to match sounds like a bit of a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted January 17, 2017 at 09:43 PM Share Posted January 17, 2017 at 09:43 PM Who goes to night clubs ? You should get shot lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted January 17, 2017 at 10:41 PM Share Posted January 17, 2017 at 10:41 PM I'm a psychopath intent on murder and suicide all in the same night.I walk up to the night club entry door, the movie theatre lobby, the bus station, etc with a handgun, a cased rifle and a belt of ammo and I see the people lining up at the security check point; seeing that I won't be getting in discreetly, I proceed to kill and security and remaining bystanders and go on into the killzone as I originally intended.I'll hold final judgement until the final plans come out, but once again it appears the solution is to inform the law abiders to leave their guns at home and to tell the bad guys that if they try to come in, we'll know you are breaking the law and then you'll be in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted January 17, 2017 at 11:28 PM Share Posted January 17, 2017 at 11:28 PM Does anyone have any insight regarding the effectiveness of this technology, and/or the legal issues surrounding its use? http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/17/orlando-nightclubs-deploy-radar-technology-to-detect-weapons.html The NForce CMR 1000 can be installed in hallways and doorways. It uses microwave radar technology to detect concealed metal. This is not new technology. http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/millimeter-wave-scanner-4.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted January 18, 2017 at 12:04 AM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 12:04 AM Millmeter and microwave are very different you won't get an image like that from a microwave radar. Not that you couldn't install a "airport" like scanner on the way in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POAT54 Posted January 18, 2017 at 12:23 AM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 12:23 AM So they want to guarantee a CPZ is safe for the mass shooter that starts at the door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted January 18, 2017 at 12:33 AM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 12:33 AM Once again it's a solution looking for a problem. This only opens a window to harassment of concealed carry licensees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted January 18, 2017 at 01:04 AM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 01:04 AM I wouldn't want stock in that company when the first cancer lawsuit is filed probably won't fly for a occasional patron but long term exposure for an employee is going to get very ugly. I mean really we have people filing lawsuits because they don't want their water or is it gas meter read remotely. I believe it could detect metal but metallic content close enough to match sounds like a bit of a stretch. Since the story mentions schools as another spft target I would be concerned that schools cold sell this to schools which could result in kids being dosed daily or even multiple times a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted January 18, 2017 at 01:06 AM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 01:06 AM When they're running they go "Baweeep - Baweeep - Baweeep" When they detect something they go "Wee-ooo ! Wee-ooo ! Wee-ooo ! " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted January 18, 2017 at 01:08 AM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 01:08 AM Once again it's a solution looking for a problem. This only opens a window to harassment of concealed carry licensees.This opens the door to harassment of off-duty cops as well which may result in pushback by all cops and their unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted January 18, 2017 at 02:31 AM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 02:31 AM Does anyone have any insight regarding the effectiveness of this technology, and/or the legal issues surrounding its use? http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/17/orlando-nightclubs-deploy-radar-technology-to-detect-weapons.html The NForce CMR 1000 can be installed in hallways and doorways. It uses microwave radar technology to detect concealed metal. This is not new technology. http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/millimeter-wave-scanner-4.jpg$Why is the subject of the image peeing? Russian lady of the night? $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmphOne Posted January 18, 2017 at 07:04 AM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 07:04 AM What good is a system without enforcement? Just like these wonderful stickers we have around here, they don't stop anyone. What stops people are consequences. A person intent on destruction is only stopped by acute lead poisoning, usually.+1 and a "yessir" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted January 18, 2017 at 12:30 PM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 12:30 PM Well, obviously someone is making money off of this. This is not about safety, but about making money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdm45aaron Posted January 18, 2017 at 01:50 PM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 01:50 PM Well, obviously someone is making money off of this. This is not about safety, but about making money.Kind of like serializing ammo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted January 18, 2017 at 03:55 PM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 03:55 PM Well, obviously someone is making money off of this. This is not about safety, but about making money. Yeah I wish I was the one that "sold" that state on using retinal eye scans for emission control testing, I don't know if that's still in use but initially to start a test took a retinal eye scan, that just had to be BIG BIG bucks for that equipment especially so long ago. There's just another thing they should just close the door and break off the key.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted January 18, 2017 at 04:41 PM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 04:41 PM They also need a detection system that will intercept radical Islamists who intend to drive trucks into crowds, or planes into buildings. Examples:Student pilots who have no interest in learning how to land an airliner.Customers asking to rent a 24-foot box truck for just one hour, without boxes or moving pads. Oh wait, common sense profiling is racist, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted January 18, 2017 at 06:26 PM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 06:26 PM Didn't the NYPD use something like this years ago and got into some 4a trouble because of it?I think it was backscatter x-ray being shot at people out of a van. The resulting image could be used to tell if you were carrying a gun. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/216551-nypd-caught-using-x-ray-vans-to-search-the-public-refuses-court-order-to-release-details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted January 18, 2017 at 06:28 PM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 06:28 PM Does anyone have any insight regarding the effectiveness of this technology, and/or the legal issues surrounding its use? http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/17/orlando-nightclubs-deploy-radar-technology-to-detect-weapons.html This is not new technology. http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/millimeter-wave-scanner-4.jpg$Why is the subject of the image peeing? Russian lady of the night? $ $ That's how you let the TSA know that you're "golden". $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted January 18, 2017 at 06:31 PM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 06:31 PM I may be mistaken, the issue in the night club shooting was NOT detecting the shooter, but stopping the shooter. Fairly sure since he started shooting on his way into the building this radar system would of been of very little value. I can't add much to this. I don't think the Orlando shooter cared about being detected. Being detected would not have stopped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted January 18, 2017 at 10:00 PM Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 10:00 PM I think a much more effective solution is to set up perimeter barriers outside of any entity desiring protection. Maybe you could erect a large barrier wall or fence outside the night club or whatever, and all patrons would have to be naked to pass that point. It would be very difficult to conceal a weapon on a naked body. Sure, it might embarrass some folks, but its for safety, and for the children! Winter might make it even more interesting, but the business involved would then have a greater need to process people through the checkpoint quickly. Maybe the requirement would be relaxed when the temperatures drop low enough to make it obvious that the women were really cold, or that significant "shrinkage" was effecting the men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted January 18, 2017 at 10:35 PM Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 at 10:35 PM Oh no, what have we done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted January 19, 2017 at 01:27 AM Share Posted January 19, 2017 at 01:27 AM Well, obviously someone is making money off of this. This is not about safety, but about making money.Kind of like serializing ammo... Cronies get enriched by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted January 19, 2017 at 04:52 PM Share Posted January 19, 2017 at 04:52 PM I think a much more effective solution is to set up perimeter barriers outside of any entity desiring protection. Maybe you could erect a large barrier wall or fence outside the night club or whatever, and all patrons would have to be naked to pass that point. It would be very difficult to conceal a weapon on a naked body. Sure, it might embarrass some folks, but its for safety, and for the children! Winter might make it even more interesting, but the business involved would then have a greater need to process people through the checkpoint quickly. Maybe the requirement would be relaxed when the temperatures drop low enough to make it obvious that the women were really cold, or that significant "shrinkage" was effecting the men. Even this has a hole when the weapon is biological. It's not happened yet because low hanging fruit attacks are still achieved. Terrorists find a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemikos Posted January 19, 2017 at 05:44 PM Share Posted January 19, 2017 at 05:44 PM I think a much more effective solution is to set up perimeter barriers outside of any entity desiring protection. Maybe you could erect a large barrier wall or fence outside the night club or whatever, and all patrons would have to be naked to pass that point. It would be very difficult to conceal a weapon on a naked body. Sure, it might embarrass some folks, but its for safety, and for the children! Winter might make it even more interesting, but the business involved would then have a greater need to process people through the checkpoint quickly. Maybe the requirement would be relaxed when the temperatures drop low enough to make it obvious that the women were really cold, or that significant "shrinkage" was effecting the men.Even this has a hole when the weapon is biological. It's not happened yet because low hanging fruit attacks are still achieved. Terrorists find a way. Plenty of "low-hanging fruits" to be attacked in that scenario... Sorry, sorry, I'll show myself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted January 19, 2017 at 05:54 PM Share Posted January 19, 2017 at 05:54 PM I guess my idea of everyone being naked would open us up to biological contamination of all sorts. Especially if someone acted in a scary manner and the other customers had a quick and unpleasant reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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