mauserme Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:03 PM Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:03 PM Should we call Senator Milner to thank him? I was asking myself the same question. Give it a whirl and see what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderberry Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:04 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:04 PM filed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:09 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:09 PM Is the count posted somewhere for us to see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkfrns Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:11 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:11 PM Slips Filed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:11 PM Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:11 PM Is the count posted somewhere for us to see? I've never seen a tally on the ILGA site. Maybe the numbers being tossed around were mentioned during the hearing, or came from Todd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooch Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:13 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:13 PM Why isn't the video link working? Gooch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:14 PM Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:14 PM They're not in session yet. One of the committees is still going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geneseo1911 Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:14 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:14 PM The count was mentioned in the hearing. The names of the supporters were read (at least two of them were members here who accidentally selected "proponant"). I didn't hear the first bill, but the second bill was 180 to 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:18 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:18 PM Yes, as has been pointed out elsewhere you have to click on the box next to Opponent, clicking on the text "Opponent" registers you as a Proponent. Also, if you submit your slip and it doesn't go through, make sure it STILL says Opponent when you re-submit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:19 PM Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:19 PM Stupid question, what is a witness slip? I read several post where it was suggested it be filled out, but I don't know what it is. I see the link to it and going to try to read up on it on that site. Its an opportunity to put your opposition to the bills on the record. Not quite casting a vote against, but similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbury Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:21 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:21 PM All of my confirmations for the wife and I say "Opponent". I've fired off a couple emails this morning already before heading off to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:21 PM Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:21 PM Does anyone know what room they will be discussing 815 and 1263 in? Would like to set up my computer to record it so I can listen to it later. Room 212 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:28 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:28 PM Stupid question, what is a witness slip? I read several post where it was suggested it be filled out, but I don't know what it is. I see the link to it and going to try to read up on it on that site. Its an opportunity to put your opposition to the bills on the record. Not quite casting a vote against, but similar. Thank you! I filled mine out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:29 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:29 PM The wife and I just filed our slips. Now to the phones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markian Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:31 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:31 PM My letter to Sen. Iris Martinez, in case anyone needs a template. (As an aside, it's feels just wrong having to beg someone not to take away my rights.) ************************************* Dear Senator Martinez, I've been informed that Senate President Cullerton is attempting to pass two bills -- HB 1263 and HB 815 -- during the Senate's lame-duck session today, January 3, 2013. As a safe and conscientious gun owner, I ask you to please oppose any legislation that further restricts the rights of law-abiding gun owners. The recent Supreme Court decisions (Heller and McDonald) have established that the Second Amendment is an individual right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. With crime in Chicago at an all time high, law-abiding citizens (those who have already undergone background checks as part of the FOID process) should be allowed to possess semi-automatic firearms for self-defense. Indeed, it is their constitutional right. As such, I respectfully request that you oppose these two bills. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, ------------------------------Chicago, Illinois Amended with my addition re: Magazine Size limitation. Secondly, legislative attacks on the possession of standard capacity magazines, those holding 30 or fewer cartridges, would immediately be challenged in the court system via United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174, which states that, "The significance attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time." As these magazines are standard issue for our own military forces, they are not subject to the sort of legislative action you are preparing. With the ongoing budget deficit in Illinois, it would be prudent practice to avoid this legislative defensive cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:34 PM Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:34 PM The Senate is convening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scots Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:34 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:34 PM Senate session has begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:34 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:34 PM Heck, the IL Constitution refers to Militia in the same way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:39 PM Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:39 PM The Heller court opined that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right unconnected to militia service. A right cannot exist if the instruments required for the exercise of the right are banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:42 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:42 PM Are they on a break or is my feed down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scots Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:43 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:43 PM Mine's silent too - so I'm assuming nothing is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPD5408 Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:43 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:43 PM Filled out my slips and checked oppose. Email confirmation I received oppose as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:43 PM Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:43 PM They're off mic right now. ETA Sometimes I chuckle at the narrative that develops in these threads. "Its quiet now". "What are they doing?" It reminds me a nature show I saw about the mating habits of wallabies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:47 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:47 PM Now they are going to do retirement resolutions. I assume this is where they pat themselves on the back and pass resolutions about what great senators they were before retiring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markian Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:47 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:47 PM The Heller court opined that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right unconnected to militia service. A right cannot exist if the instruments required for the exercise of the right are banned. Agree, this was the one I could connect the dots to faster in my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoSigFan Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:48 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:48 PM I sent a version of this email to various Senators and reps today: "I am writing to register my strong opposition to SB815 and SB1263. The attempt to hurriedly ram through these massively controversial and unconstitutional bills in lame duck session is despicable. You are trampling on the rights of millions of law abiding gun owners and thumbing your nose at the US Supreme Court and the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, and, even worse, your legislation will have no impact on the crime you pretend to want to address. Illinois has massive problems, caused mainly through the incompetence and lack of courage of the ILGA and its members. The state is losing tens of thousands of its most productive citizens every year to other states that make themselves more attractive for business and individual liberty. The ILGA should be working to stop and reverse the exodus, not rushing through ideological legislation that only makes the state less attractive to its residents. I urge you to pull your bill, vote NO on SB1263 and start working to address the real problems that are tanking this state." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:51 PM Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:51 PM Condolences to Senator Smith on the loss of her mother. My thoughts are with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbury Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:52 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:52 PM Not sure how Suzi Schmidt's absence is going to effect this. Traditionally she has been pro 2a and has supported previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:54 PM Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:54 PM I don't know, but losing a parent is hard regardless of one's politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:56 PM Share Posted January 3, 2013 at 04:56 PM They're off mic right now. ETA Sometimes I chuckle at the narrative that develops in these threads. "Its quiet now". "What are they doing?" It reminds me a nature show I saw about the mating habits of wallabies. Well we're getting screwed right now, so I think you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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